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<ggole> Hmm, the precedence rules for match expressions are slightly different to those for normal expressions
<ggole> Bit strange.
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<adrien> morning
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<gour> morning
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<gour> there was supposed to be presentation about wxocaml on a recent ocaml workshop in boston, but i can't see any news about it. anyone?
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<gasche> asmanur: in fact it's <path>.<lowerindent> where <path> is the subset of module expressions that we know how to statically reason about
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<gasche> that is <module-identifier>.<path> but also <module-identifier>(<path).<path>
<gasche> ocp:
<gasche> 08:46 < gour> there was supposed to be presentation about wxocaml on a recent ocaml workshop in boston, but i can't see any news about it. anyone?
<gasche> (I missed the morning talks of the OCaml workshop so I don't know)
<gasche> gour: there you go
<gour> gasche: thanks a lot
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<gour> gasche: and what is the future of ocaml?
<adrien_oww> OCaml Enterprise (in Star Trek)
<gour> :-)
<adrien_oww> now you're supposed to have the star trek music in your head btw
<nicoo> adrien_oww: I sure do.
<Kakadu> I don't
<Kakadu> gour: Future can be the Future what you wish
<Kakadu> we only should do something
<gour> Kakadu: i'm asking in the context of presentation @ocaml-workshop
<Kakadu> ah...
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<companion_cube> I'd thought the futures of OCaml were in Lwt
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<Kakadu> ocamlbuild question
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<Kakadu> I have a source file with tags 'use_pa_log' and 'use_pa_checked'
<Kakadu> I have rules for ["compile"; "ocaml"; "use_pa_checked"], ["compile"; "ocaml"; "use_pa_log"] and for both. When I compile these three rules are applied
<Kakadu> I want only third one
<Kakadu> I want to merge to rulese because syntax extensions are order-specific
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<nicoo> companion_cube: Thought the same thing about delim-cc :D
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<jpdeplaix> Kakadu: so you want to overwrite the flags linked to use_pa_checked and use_pa_log
<jpdeplaix> ?
<Kakadu> probably not to override because myocamlbuild.ml is written by hands
<Kakadu> rewrite is more suitable word
<jpdeplaix> so, add a new flag linked with ["compile"; "ocaml"; "use_pa_checked"; "use_pa_log"] ?
<Kakadu> In this case ["compile"; "ocaml"; "use_pa_checked"], ["compile"; "ocaml"; "use_pa_log"] will be added too
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<jpdeplaix> Kakadu: you want a set of flags for use_pa_checked, use_pa_log and (use_pa_checked & use_pa_log (which doesn't includes the two previous sets of flags)) ?
<Kakadu> yes
<Kakadu> it seems I have done something like it but it gives me some error probably not related to ocamlbuild
<jpdeplaix> I don't know if this is possible :/
<jpdeplaix> Kakadu: how did you do that ?
<Kakadu> Not exactly that: I have passed one extension in myocamlbuild and another one with _tags
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<jpdeplaix> oh yes, you can use the tag of the form: "file:yourfile.ml" and add specific flags for this
<jpdeplaix> but anyways, you can ask gasche for a real answer
<Kakadu> gasche, I think we should add to ocamlbuild wiki example with many syntax extensions used
<Kakadu> also I'm curious how 'archive(syntax, preprocessor)' in META affects compilation
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<vbmithr> Hi
<vbmithr> Is it possible to link libraries in .cmxs files ?
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<adrien_oww> vbmithr: what do you mean? do you have an example?
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<vbmithr> vbmithr: Yeah
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<vbmithr> For example, I use cryptokit in a module that I want to dynlink
<vbmithr> But I don't want to link the main app to cryptokit
<adrien_oww> I'm not sure you can
<vbmithr> I want cryptokit to be linked to the plugin
<adrien_oww> well
<vbmithr> (r dynlinked at the same time automatically)
<adrien_oww> you're supposed to use -linkall for the main app so that it links all modules, including unused ones
<adrien_oww> I guess that's precisely for this reason
<adrien_oww> however
<adrien_oww> mfp has made https://forge.ocamlcore.org/projects/ld-ocaml/ which is quite awesome
<adrien_oww> I don't know if it does exactly what you need but it's probably not very far
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<ggole> Wrong indentation bug -_-
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<ollehar> can I jump from on match case to next?
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<gasche> ollehar: unfortunately you can't
<ggole> Usually you would write a function and call it in both places
<ggole> (In a functional language, function calls are pretty much the equivalent construct to goto.)
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<ollehar> gasche: ggole: ok, thx
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<flux> opam is starting to have.. unwieldy amount of packages
<flux> I read the list from start to end and get bored before end :)
<yezariaely> lol
<yezariaely> time for a cleanup, then? ;-)
<flux> I think categorization would help
<flux> and maybe some author-provided qualificiation "mature", "beta" or possibly "alpha"..
<yezariaely> I totally agree! Some predefined category list would be helpful, though. When people are inventing their own categories things are getting messed up.
<yezariaely> predefined and extensible(!)
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<flux> I think tagging would work best with a predefined set of tags - and when they don't match, you can just put in a new one (for others to see of course)
<yezariaely> yes, but at the beginning, there has to be a predefined set. Otherwise, you will get a bunch of similar tags with different spelling.
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<szacun> Hi! I am taking OCam lessons on my univesity and i have just began learning and already have a problem. Can you please tell me why i got error while calling function int this code: http://pastebin.com/5kAkiVnf
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<szacun> Actually i don't know how to call function which takes more than one argument, "count elem list" also doesn't wokr
<yezariaely> szacun: at first something about your style. Are you really taught to write functions using brackets around arguments? let rec length(list) is typically written without the brackets.
<yezariaely> Now I will not give you the solution directly. But do you know what types are and mean?
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<szacun> i used to write in java, i think types are ints, doubles, strings...
<Drup> yezariaely: I thing it's just a typo in this case :p
<flux> yezariaely, hint: replace (elem, list) with ((elem : int), list) in the function definition's first line
<yezariaely> Drup: I don't think so. the calls are written similarly.
<yezariaely> flux: I wasn't looking for the solution ;-)
<flux> oh, then szacun
<yezariaely> I know. But I wanted to tell him/her how to annotate the functions with types.
<Drup> yezariaely: the error is not at a call site
<yezariaely> as you just did
<yezariaely> Drup: I never said so.
<flux> szacun, you may also find that often such functions in ocaml are written as let rec count elem list = .. and calls are like count 42 [42], but I suppose that's just a matter of style
<szacun> I wrote such a function yesterday and it was working, today i really have to make some small mistake :)
<flux> you should also see what the ocaml toplevel says the type is when you enter the function in
<flux> it should most certainly indicate that something is wrong :)
<ggole> szacun: else if List.hd = elem then (1 + count(elem, List.tl list)) <- spot the problem
<szacun> ggole: here i see, i forgot about list :)
<ggole> Yup, so it expects a list of things of the type of List.hd.
<Drup> (as I said, probably a typo ...)
<szacun> Changing this fixed the problem, was that all, because i got scared when you started explaining types :)
<Drup> szacun: types are usefull to spot this kind of issues
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<Drup> szacun: as flux said, you can know there is something wrong in your code just by looking at the type of count
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<szacun> Drup: you mean this: val count : ('a list -> 'a) * 'b list -> int = <fun>? That really looks strange for me, begginer
<Drup> let's decompose it
<Drup> val count : BLA = <fun> means that count is a function of type BLA
<Drup> BLA, in this case, is of the form "A * B"
<Drup> this means it's a pair of things
<Drup> for example, (3, "a") is of type int * string
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<szacun> ok, i see. Do you mean, that is excepts A to be another function?
<Drup> yes
<Drup> obviously, in your code, "elem" shouldn't be a function
<szacun> of course
<szacun> anyway, thank you for everything :)
<Drup> no problem
<Drup> the transition Java -> Ocaml can be a bit difficult at first.
<Drup> (but rewarding, I might say !)
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<szacun> The course is called "programming paradigm" i'll be taking lot's of diffrent strange(for someone used to java) languages :)
<ggole> Does it cover things like logic programming?
<yezariaely> szacun: What does it cover?
<szacun> yes, will be doing logic programing after functional programming
<Drup> logic programing is quite cool too, in it's own style
<ggole> Great, hopefully it will be a little mind expanding
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<szacun> yezariaely: mostly functional programming, then logic and then advanced concepts of object-oriented programming and maybe there will be time for more exotic languages like brainfuck, whitespace itd
<szacun> have to go now, bye
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<yezariaely> I hope that brainfuck and whitespace are not part of this ^^
<Drup> brainfuck is quite advanced in regard to concepts of object oriented programming, isn't it ? :]
<yezariaely> maybe there are brainfuck implementation I don't know...
<yezariaely> +s
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<Anarchos> szacun not malbolge ?
<Drup> Piet is arguably the most beautiful programming language : http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html
<ggole> Piet is just adorable
<ggole> How can you look at that pi example and not just melt?
<Drup> and the gnome sort with pixel art gnomes included !
<nicoo> Drup: Piet probaly means “awesomely beautiful” in Russian
<nicoo> actually, it doesn't :(
<Drup> nicoo: I will forgive you the pun, but it's actually a painter who write "interesting" compositions.
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<nicoo> I know :o
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<Anarchos> ggole you speak about the language designed after the Piet Mondrian pictures ?
<Drup> Anarchos: yes, I just linked it
<Anarchos> Drup could be nice for QR code !!
<Anarchos> Drup i knew about it, but really deserve to look closer
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<Kakadu> gasche: ping
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<szacun> I have another question, but now it's rather easy. Is there a big difference beetwen declaring function like this: "let k_3 x y z = ..." and like this: "let k_3 (x,y,z) = z"? Which is used more often? You said about types, ocaml says that this two declarations creates two diffrent types.
<Kakadu> 1st one is used more often
<Kakadu> 1st is carried function, 2nd not (more C-style function)
<Drup> szacun: the difference is that the first function takes 3 arguments where as the second function takes *one* argument that is a triple
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<Drup> this as some consequences about the way you use the function, the first is more natural in a functional programming language since you can partially apply a function in the first form
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<yezariaely> Kakadu: curried, not carried
<yezariaely> by Haskell Curry
<Drup> szacun: you can go back and forth between the two forms, the transformation is called currification
<szacun> ok, i'll look it up in google, thanks
<Kakadu> yezariaely: it was spelling
<yezariaely> ah, ok sorry then
<bernardofpc> also, k3 (x,y,z) uses more memory because it has to *create* the triplet, whereas k3 x y z would pass the three arguments separately
<bernardofpc> you could think of k3 (x,y,z) as equivalent to k3 (Point p)
<bernardofpc> where k3 x y z ~~ k3(double x, double y, double z)
<bernardofpc> *whereas
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<smondet_> bernardofpc: I think i've read somewhere that ocamlopt will compile k3 (x,y,z) and k3 x y z to more or less the same thing (but for ocamlc it does not dothe optimization)
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<caseyjames> Hi, Im gettint a "Error: Unbound module Sqlite3" when compiling but opam says "sqlite3-ocaml is already installed (current version is 2.0.4)" Any ideas whats wrong? Other opam packages are working
<Drup> caseyjames: you need to link it during compilation
<caseyjames> Drup: I'm just doing C-c C-b in emacs... is there a way to do it with that, or should I stop that practice?
<Drup> I don't know this shortcut
<caseyjames> Oh, I mean I'm just execting the buffer in toplevel. How can I go about linking it in?
<caseyjames> I found this but I can't make out what it means https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ocaml-sqlite3/+bug/554267
<caseyjames> Drup: do you have any tips on how I can get that linked in. I tried OCaml at the teminal with the same results. I also did ocamlfind query Sqlite3 /Users/caseybasichis/.opam/4.00.1/lib/Sqlite3
<bernardofpc> smondet: you have a source ?
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<nicoo> caseyjames, bernardofpc : I'm not convinced that looking at such micro-optimizations is worth anything :D
<caseyjames> nicoo: what do you mean? Do you know of another way of getting it running?
<nicoo> ^^
<bernardofpc> nicoo: well, it depends what you're doing
<bernardofpc> if you are going to traverse a list with 1M elements, it might be better to have your function allocate the least possible
<bernardofpc> and building a tuple is a lot of work for your garbage collector down the road
<bernardofpc> but I look too much on %rax's
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<nicoo> bernardofpc: 1M elements is low. I would still prefer code readability
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<yezariaely> I use oasis. How can I tell oasis to only build a library? ocaml setup.ml -build libname doesn't work.
<yezariaely> (the library is defined in _oasis as libname)
<adrien> not sure but the quick and maybe dirty way is to copy-paste the ocamlbuild command it runs and append what you need
* adrien -> bed
<yezariaely> thx.
<yezariaely> How can I exclude an executable from installing when I call ocaml setup.ml -install ?
<yezariaely> ah just found it... to tired...
<yezariaely> +o
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<caseyjames> Hi. I'm noticing that I am getting the "Unbound module" on a number of opam libraries. OUnit works, but ocamlgraph and sqlite are both giving the error. Any idea how I can get this running?
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