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GlenK >
any advice?
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GlenK >
haha. moral of the story? don't run kde? had to log out and hit the console so I wouldn't run out of memory.
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adrien >
well, it's also possible to fragment memory
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<
adrien >
still have plenty of memory but fragmented
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pippijn >
what's the ocamlbuild flag to use menhir?
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adrien >
use_menhir iirc
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adrien >
ocamlbuild -long-help | grep menhir
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<
adrien >
or something like that
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pippijn >
I did true: use_menhir, and it uses ocamlyacc
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pippijn >
oh, it's a flag, not a tag?
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jpdeplaix >
pippijn: nope. It's a tag
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jpdeplaix >
and « true: use_menhir » in your _tags should work
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adrien_oww >
where were you trying to use it?
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pippijn >
it works with true: use_menhir in the root dir
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adrien_oww >
I meant, what had you tried that didn't work?
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pippijn >
use_menhir in src/_tags
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adrien_oww >
hmm, ok
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ggole >
Hmm, new version of menhir errors all over the place :/
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ggole >
I might have to actually read the docs :(
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pippijn >
ggole: what error?
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ggole >
Er, I mean merlin
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ggole >
Sorry, thinko
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pippijn >
I don't get it.. every other time I run my program (which runs ocamlbuild), the resulting binary is mode 600
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adrien_oww >
umask?
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pippijn >
the binary should be 0700, not 0600
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pippijn >
every other time, it's not actually built
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pippijn >
ok, fixed it
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pippijn >
I don't know what's the problem
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pippijn >
I just worked around it
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pippijn >
oh, I found the actual problem
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pippijn >
there was a symlink that shouldn't be there
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pippijn >
that caused things to "magically" appear in another place
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ggole >
Bleh. I'll just turn it off.
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pippijn >
I think omake is too complex
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pippijn >
it's not reasonable anymore
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pippijn >
when things work and when they don't is not clear to me at all
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pippijn >
I'm unable to implement automatic recursion, although it should work the way I did it
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pippijn >
having a huge minor heap is good for omake, what is bad about having a huge minor heap?
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pippijn >
it saves about 20%
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pippijn >
2 seconds out of 8, and actually more like 2 seconds out of 6, because it doesn't greatly affect the initial 1.8 seconds for startup
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pippijn >
maybe with 128M, it just doesn't collect at all (or just once or twice)
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pippijn >
yes, 2 minor collections during the build and 1 major collection
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ggole >
I think the theory behind small minor heaps is to keep everything in cache
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pippijn >
ok, I guess with omake that doesn't help
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mrvn >
ggole: minor heaps allow temporary objects to be reclaimed qickly.
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ggole >
That's the motivation for generational collection, yeah: but what size the nursery should be is still an interesting question.
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mrvn >
large enough to fit any temporary data structure.
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adrien_oww >
pippijn: if you get an improvement that big it typically means that far too much allocations are made
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mrvn >
Like when you build a list and then return List.rev you want the temporary list in the minor heap only.
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mrvn >
pippijn: the drawback of a large minor heap is that it wastes memory.
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mrvn >
probably not an issue in omake
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pippijn >
omake uses a lot of memory in my case
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ggole >
Memory is cheap on some machines though
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pippijn >
I have 12K rules
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mrvn >
try different size and check the time and memory usage and then pick a reasonable compromise.
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pippijn >
*** omake: done (1.08 sec, 1/3528 scans, 7/12827 rules, 18/29522 digests)
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adrien_oww >
but you learn and more importantly, you get less frustrated
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pippijn >
mrvn: I'm not going to spend time optimising omake
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ggole >
Alternative answer: continue using omake for the next eighty years
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ggole >
So that almost any amount of wasted time becomes useful
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ggole >
s/omake/emacs/ and that might even approach making sense.
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pippijn >
I have no idea how much time I've spent on my rules files
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pippijn >
but yesterday I refactored them a little and saved over 50%
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<
pippijn >
and today I changed one small thing and saved 4 seconds out of 13
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pippijn >
it's worth it, because I use these a lot every day
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pippijn >
probably somewhere between 5 and 50 times
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mrvn >
pippijn: You already saved 2s. If you call it 50 times a day for the next 5 years then spending 10 days achieving that was worth it.
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adrien_oww >
but that can benefit others too
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pippijn >
if anybody ever wants to use my makefiles, yes
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pippijn >
abstract mathematics
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Drup >
pippijn: if you know eliom, yes very :D
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adrien_oww >
don't listen to Drup, he has no taste: he does HTML and CSS
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mrvn >
pippijn: On multi-line commands I tend to put one argument per line
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pippijn >
mrvn: ~path:...\n ~get_params...?
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Drup >
adrien_oww: actually, I don't do html directly ;)
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mrvn >
pippijn: yep
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pippijn >
would you also put the "return type" on a separate line?
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pippijn >
Json.t<data>
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mrvn >
pippijn: not sure. I do Printf.printf "format" \n arg1 arg2 arg3 often. Seems like that kind of thing.
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pippijn >
what about the fun formatting?
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mrvn >
pippijn: single line if it is short, otherwise like yours.
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mrvn >
pippijn: or if the indention gets too much I make a local function instead of a closure.
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pippijn >
I think that won't be necessary with these things
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mrvn >
password = "dunno";?
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pippijn >
it evolved
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pippijn >
first, it echoed back everything
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pippijn >
now it has a persistent user service
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adrien_oww >
Drup: lies!
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Drup >
adrien_oww: I use tyxml !
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adrien_oww >
and for css?
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pippijn >
I'm not sure I like this, though
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Drup >
adrien_oww: html an javascript are reasonable enough in a way that you can actually use them as "backend"
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ggole >
I particularly like the way that the way to express that two quantities are the same in css is "type it again".
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adrien_oww >
so you admit doing them by hand; burn the heretic!
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ggole >
It's good to do things by hand before you reach for automation
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ggole >
To get a sense for the brain damage you are trying to paper over.
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pippijn >
mrvn: I have concluded that the chart is wrong
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pippijn >
mrvn: I spend way too much time making things neat and efficient
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pippijn >
mrvn: but when it's done, I'm very happy
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pippijn >
mrvn: I'm almost like a gentoo user who fiddles with his USE flags until the system is just what he wants
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pippijn >
mrvn: except that other people benefit from my fiddling, as well
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<
pippijn >
this is quite neat, and I'm quite happy with it
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pippijn >
later, I want to make omake rules to generate debian packages from these input files
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pippijn >
that will be very neat, saving next to no time, because I can also just copy/paste
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pippijn >
but I will be happy when that is done
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pippijn >
mrvn: so the chart is wrong, because it assumes people are robots (or companies)
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pippijn >
happy people work more efficiently
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pippijn >
thus indirectly saving time
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bernardofpc >
and perhaps more importantly, as you said, you save time for other people
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bernardofpc >
thus reducing global warming :D
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<
Drup >
adrien_oww: I know ccss (and several other css preprocessor. It's a bit less braindead than css, but not that much.
12:56
* ggole
ponders which of programming computers more efficiently or throwing them all into the ocean would be a more effective at making people happy and reducing global warming
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gasche >
hi #ocaml; I was off during ICFP, by chance
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mrvn >
ggole: I'm not sure having broken up computer parts show up on beaches will make people happy.
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ggole >
Should be fine as long as they aren't functioning.
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kerneis >
Included or excluded directories must be implicit
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kerneis >
I hate this
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kerneis >
def-lkb: :Locate does not work for constructors; is this a bug or a feature?
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asmanur >
an absence of feature i'd say
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gasche >
kerneis: your draft is just out of the printer, I'll have a look this week-end
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rks` >
kerneis: it should work for constructors.
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rks` >
understand: it did at some point, on my particular setup
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rks` >
do you have an example of a situation where it doesn't?
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def-lkb >
kerneis: constructors in patterns on in expressions ?
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kerneis >
def-lkb: patterns
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kerneis >
it's a constant constructor, defined in another file
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kerneis >
and pattern-matched on
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def-lkb >
ok, it's less surprising
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kerneis >
but in fact, it doesn't change a thing
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kerneis >
expression or pattern-matching behave the same here
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<
kerneis >
as well as non-constant constructors
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<
kerneis >
but it works within a file
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def-lkb >
Ok. Therefore we just have to wait for rks` to fix that
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rks` >
yes it should behave the same in pattern and expressions
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rks` >
kerneis: did you compile with -bin-annot?
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rks` >
we need cmt files for locate (since the cmi contains no location information)
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kerneis >
ok, it's a bug in ocamlbuild
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<
kerneis >
it does not build the .cmt
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kerneis >
my file is a symbolic-link to ../something
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kerneis >
I suspect this is related
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rks` >
good luck :'
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kerneis >
oh wait wait wait
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<
kerneis >
which version of ocaml do I need?
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ggole >
Is this merlin? It needs -bin-annot to work?
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rks` >
kerneis: >= 4.00.1
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ggole >
(Because that might explain why I was beating my head against it earlier.)
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kerneis >
hmm, looks fine
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rks` >
merlin only needs cmt files for the locate command (:Locate under vim, merlin-locate in emacs)
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kerneis >
$ which ocamlbuild
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<
kerneis >
/home/gabriel/.opam/4.00.1/bin/ocamlbuild
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kerneis >
$ ocamlbuild -documentation|grep annot
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<
kerneis >
flag {. annot, compile, ocaml .} "-annot"
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ggole >
But why doesn't it say something about that, rather than Foo.glob not found?
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rks` >
kerneis: in 4.00.1 the bin_annot tag doesn't exist yet
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kerneis >
stupid me
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rks` >
well ggole, what should it say?
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rks` >
I'm open to suggestions
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ggole >
Foo.glob not found (no .cmt for Foo), perhaps?
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rks` >
yeah I'll improve that for the next release
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ggole >
I guess you'd want it to be a reasonable message even if Foo truly didn't exist, since you might just fat-finger something
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<
ggole >
One other thing about the emacs client: merlin-mode adds an entry to post-command-hook, which can slow down emacs a bit
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<
ggole >
(Only really a problem when you are holding down C-f, but still annoying.)
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<
ggole >
It would be nice if merlin-mode used a fast idle timer instead.
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kerneis >
ok, now I have MerlinException u'Cmi_format.Error(_)', but I suspect my setup is broken, I'll do a fresh opam switch later
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rks` >
ggole: right
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rks` >
that was a recent contribution from an external source
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rks` >
could you open an issue about it?
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<
rks` >
(so he might see it, or so we don't forget if he doesn't)
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rks` >
kerneis: that should be catched
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<
rks` >
but anyway what's going on here is :
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rks` >
you have a merlin compiled to handle cmi for ocaml 4.00.1 but your project is compiled with 4.01.0
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<
rks` >
(or well, revert that)
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<
rks` >
(or well, any other two versions of ocaml)
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rks` >
kerneis: could you run 'ocamlmerlin -version' ?
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rks` >
it should tell you which version of ocaml your merlin supports
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kerneis >
rks`: I thought that would be the issue, but it seems not to be
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<
kerneis >
4.01.0+beta1 from opam in both cases
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kerneis >
everything installed by opam
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<
kerneis >
and project rebuilt from scratch
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kerneis >
but this project is a maze of dependencies, I might have missed something
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rks` >
well kerneis
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rks` >
you "which ocamlbuild" says you're using 4.00.1
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rks` >
that doesn't match 4.01.0+beta1
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kerneis >
rks`: I `opam switch`ed in the meantime ;-)
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rks` >
(but you may have opam switched since, I don't know)
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rks` >
I don't know :)
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kerneis >
it used to work on other projects
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kerneis >
I surely did something stupid
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kerneis >
let's go to happy hour
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kerneis >
everything will be clearer on Monday
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kerneis >
bye everybody
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travisbrady >
Is anyone aware of an OCaml redid client that supports sorted sets?
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travisbrady >
Pardon me, redis client.
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\o
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caseyjames >
Does anyone here use ocamlgraph? Is there any way to label edges or give them any kind of value?
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companion_cube >
I think you can, everything is parametrized by functors
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caseyjames >
companion_cube: are you speaking in a general sense or in regards to ocaml in particular?
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