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<baumy> can somebody explain to me how to interpet the expression `let f f = f in f f f`? trick question on a practice exam I'm taking and I can't get my head straight about it
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<Drup> baumy: is this expression alone ?
<Drup> hum, nevermind
<baumy> Drup: yes
<Drup> baumy: try renaming the various component
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<baumy> I did try that, and what it taught me is I don't thoroughly understand when names bind to things
<Drup> :D
<Drup> first, what is going on in this expression ? try to decompose it in subexpresions
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<baumy> well the first f is a function that takes one argument, the second f
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<Drup> indeed
<Drup> what is the body of this function ?
<baumy> I changed it to `let imthree f = f in imthree imthree 3;;`
<baumy> I'm not sure if that's equivalent
<baumy> the last three f's have got to be the body right?
<Drup> nope.
<Drup> your change is correct, minus the final 3
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<baumy> well I'm obviously missing something, but I'm closer to figuring out what that something is. let me play with it a bit more
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<baumy> so the last `3` should be another `imthree`, that was silly of me.
<baumy> so I have a senes of which names are which
<baumy> but no intuition for what the meaning of the expression is
<Drup> try to find the body of the function
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<baumy> so if I have `let g f = f in g g g`, within the `g g g`, g is a function that returns the argument it's passed
<Drup> indeed
<Drup> you probably know this function with another name
<baumy> so `let g f = f in g g` ought to be equivalent to my original, and I could tack on any number of g's and it wouldn't change
<baumy> it's just the identity function yeah?
<Drup> yes
<baumy> the last thing I don't understand is why `let g f = f in g` has a slightly different type in the toplevel than `let g f = f in g g`
<baumy> I guess I just don't know the difference between 'a and '_a but that's probably googleable
<baumy> thanks a lot Drup!
<Drup> oh, right
<Drup> huum
<baumy> based on pattern matching syntax I'd assume that means it doesn't care about the value or some reason? but that doesn't make sense to me in this context
<baumy> s/or/for
<Drup> no
<Drup> it means it's monomorphic
<baumy> yeah something to do with weak polymorphism
<baumy> which is a separate topic that I can read about on my own =) thanks again
<Drup> no problem :)
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<Dongyancai> Hello, in ocamlnet/fcgi, does arg_store only apply to uploaded file, not to args by normal GET or POST method?
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<elfring> How often do you notice hash collisions eventually if integers are stored as keys by the module "Hashtabl"?
<adrien> depends on the source of keys
<adrien> if they're crafted, it can be very high
<adrien> otherwise, it's "uncommon"
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<ggole> Collisions don't affect the semantics, so it's a bit hard to "notice" them
<ggole> You can use Hashtbl.stats to find out for a particular table, too.
<elfring> Does the potential for hash collisions mean that I should use a different data structure if I would like to keep my integer keys unique and consistent?
<ggole> No. An equality test will be used to avoid collisions causing erroneous results.
<ggole> Of course if you know you can allocate sequential keys, then an array (or array-backed sparse set) may be preferable
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<elfring> Was any OCaml interface published where a specific hash function can be passed as a configuration parameter?
<ggole> Yeah
<ggole> Read the docs
<companion_cube> elfring: Hashtbl provides a functor for that
<companion_cube> the polymorphic hashtable uses the default hash function, which is good enough for most problems
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<Drup> why are you obsessed by hash collissions ?
<Drup> except if you have a very very specific use cases, which you don't have, or didn't care to reveal until now, it's so unlikely that you can ignore it.
<Drup> and it's not going to blow stuff up anyway ...
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<elfring> ggole: Do you refer to "Functor Hashtbl.Make"?
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<flux> yes
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<elfring> companion_cube: I find that the documentation for "Hashtbl" does not specify the technical properties of the "default" hash functions, or does it?
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<flux> it probably doesn't. I imagine the reasoning would be that that gives the flexibility to change it. but due to maintaining Marshalling binary compatibility it probably won't be.
<flux> you can find some discussion about its properties, in which cases it's good etc.
<flux> I think at least if your data structure has many links, it only follows so many
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<elfring> Would you like to clarify the technical properties for the "default" hash functions you became used to in your software development?
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<flux> I never really give thought to it. I found some discussion at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/fa.caml/UpiwHcDM934/wDI8URvciyQJ http://alaska-kamtchatka.blogspot.fi/2009/06/hash-n-mix.html
<flux> also a tidbit of information: https://www.mail-archive.com/caml-list@inria.fr/msg01478.html (along with the rest of the thread)
<flux> (oh, that particular comment is about Core's hashtables, not OCaml's)
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<mk270> gday - does anyone know if ocaml-lua plays nicely with lwt?
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<adrien> ocaml-lua is an interpreter written in ocaml, right?
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<smondet> adrien: the pure ocaml one is https://github.com/lindig/lua-ml (I think)
<adrien> ah
<smondet> and ocaml-lua are bindings to the C library
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<elfring> Would any update for information from an article like "Hash 'n Mix" (by Matías Giovannini on 2009-06-12) be useful for further discussion?
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<mk270> adrien: it's the C bindings (plus some re-implementation in OCaml, as you say)
<mk270> it seems to try to use threads in OCaml (or at least has this as an option, if you're not using JIT). wondering how this will play with Lwt
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