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<Algebr> I feel like I'm doing something wrong with BatResult.t For example I have something of some_result >>= fun g -> ... but I still have to do an exhaustive match on g even though, as I understand it, the >>= will make sure that g is always something of Ok _.
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<flux> cool, arrayfire 3.0 has handle-based C-api, making OCaml bindings perhaps slightly more realistic
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<companion_cube> AlexRussia: if you're looking for something lightweight, you can take a look at containers
<companion_cube> grr
<companion_cube> aww, algebr left (sorry)
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<Pavel_> Hello! want to write artickle about Ocaml language and it's team and community, can anybody help me?
<companion_cube> well, you can ask questions if you want
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<AlexRussia> companion_cube: what's a containers? :)))
<companion_cube> sorry, it's a lib
<companion_cube> but I was answering someone else, who had left the chan, hence bad autocompletion
<AlexRussia> Okay, I'll take a look, thanks :)) No, I know,I'd read log before answer ;)
<AlexRussia> Just guessing
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<noze> is there support for ocp-indent in sublime?
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<companion_cube> Algebr: so, to reply to an earlier message of yours: you can try containers if you want a lightweight stdlib
<nullcat> we are going to have "if 'a option then ... else ..." ?
<Algebr> companion_cube: does it have a result type included?
<nullcat> just mentioned of this yesterday...
<companion_cube> Algebr: yes, but it uses polymorphic variants underhood
<companion_cube> nullcat: what do you mean?
<nullcat> i saw your PR
<Algebr> How can I get around this situation. I have type foo = A | B and I'm using a function that only needs to care about A, B is an invalid state but I still have to match on it to prevent warning from compiler. Do I use GADTs?
<companion_cube> oh ok, but it's not if 'a option ;)
<companion_cube> it's a bit more general
<Drup> Algebr: probably gadt, yes
<companion_cube> Algebr: why do you have case B if it's always invalid?
<nullcat> oh "if let something = expression_that _returns_an_option then ... else ..."
<Algebr> I mean, its a valid outcome, but I know for some cases when it will never occur
<thizanne> Algebr: if your A is like A of int * string, maybe you can write a function int -> string -> ...
<thizanne> and then on an upper level, check that you only got a A value and split it to call this function
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<ggole> Algebr: GADTS are pretty painful for doing that. Another possibility is to use polymorphic variants.
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<ggole> Alternatively if you only have one constructor that is possible, you could stick a record type on each constructor and pass those around
<Algebr> eh, I just defined another function to take wrap up the extra logic, called it >>|
<ggole> Yeah
<ggole> I've run into this many times. There's no particularly good solution.
<Algebr> that actually makes me feel good, that I'm getting comfortable enough with the language that I'm running into the same problems as more experienced people
<adrien_znc> meh
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<Denommus> what Emacs mode to use in .mly file?
<Denommus> tuareg gives me weird indentation
<Drup> it's probably ocp-indent that gives you weird indentation
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<Denommus> Drup: makes sense
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<Denommus> Drup: is there any way to turn it off for mly files?
<Drup> not that I know of
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<Denommus> Drup: what do you usually do?
<Drup> I roll with it
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<Drup> I don't write .mly often enough for it to be really annoying, it's usually more of "just gonna write this .mly quick and be done with it"
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<dmbaturin> It probably would be nice to be able to separate the grammar spec from the code.
<dmbaturin> Just reference the rules in the code, via ppx or something.
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<Drup> you would need to reference sub cases in each rule. I think the result would just be unreadable and a pain to maintain
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<dmbaturin> True. I don't know if it worth a try ot not.
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<Denommus> gosh, parsers are boring :-/
<ggole> Sure are.
<ggole> But not as boring as typing out your test ASTs by hand. :)
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<Drup> mature enough not to be really challenging anymore, but not automatic yet. :p
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<dmbaturin> Drup: Do you think it will be fully automated some day?
<Denommus> I'm doing a parser for lua (only to learn how to make a parser)
<Denommus> I have the grammar, but it's kinda boring to convert the grammar into mly
<Denommus> maybe I should make a parser for the grammar so I could generate the parser automatically and... wait
<Drup> Denommus: it's in BNF ?
<Denommus> Drup: I think it's Lemon
<Drup> what am I supposed to look at ?
<Denommus> Drup: the ending of the page
<Drup> look like bnf
<Drup> you just have to replace strings by a predefined TOKEN
<Denommus> Drup: I already made the tokenizer
<Drup> then it should be straightforward
<Drup> assuming menhir, of course
<dmbaturin> Lua-ML link is very dead.
<Denommus> it is straightforward. It's just... boring
<dmbaturin> Denommus: What are you going to do with the AST? Analysis/abstract interpretation?
<Drup> Denommus: stop complaining, it would already be done :p
<Denommus> dmbaturin: no, I'm just learning
<Denommus> dmbaturin: maybe I'll feed it to llvm to generate a compiler, I dunno
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<rgrinberg> How do I enable lwt-debug in a _oasis?
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<Drup> fiddle with _tags, I would say
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<rgrinberg> Drup: NativeOpt: -ppopt -lwt-debug
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<rgrinberg> Wonder if there's a good place to document this somewhere
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<Drup> rgrinberg: that will only work with native compilation, it would be better in the _tags
<rgrinberg> ByteOpt: -ppopt -lwt-debug
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<Algebr> okay, which one is the deprecated one...I have extlib and extLib
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<struk|work> adrien_znc: I looked over flexdll, read a little bit of the archives..unclear to me how I use it. Am I I supposed to modify any project which requires dyn linking to use flexlink instead?
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<adrien> struk|work: flexlink is a component used to implement OCaml's native Dynlink
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<sh0t> guys i had to install ocaml 4.02 from source ball on
<sh0t> ubuntu
<sh0t> but it didn't install ocaml-findlib
<sh0t> which i need
<sh0t> if itry with apt-get install ocaml-find lib i now get errors of compatibility
<sh0t> hwo can i solve this?
<Kakadu> install ocamlfind from source tarball
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<struk|work> adrien: no idea how to configure it then. I did compile it with cygwin64 though succesfully
<struk|work> sh0t: what os, out of curiosity?
<sh0t> UBuntu 14.04
<struk|work> sh0t: I automated installation from soruce for ubuntu, if you want to try it: https://github.com/struktured/ocaml-bootstrap
<smondet> struk|work: what does it do compared to opam's cold build?
<struk|work> smondet: install's aspcud locally, edits some bash profile stuff, various other things I forgot about
<smondet> ah yes coo
<smondet> *cool
<sh0t> struk|work, i will try that later if i don't succeed
<sh0t> i think i will probably proceed to a reinstallation of all the vm...
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<sh0t> they asked me to install all very new software
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<sh0t> and i cant use apt...
<sh0t> so i get a lot of conflicts
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<Denommus> anyone had experience using js_of_ocaml for programming a mobile app?
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<tobiasBora> Hello !
<tobiasBora> I would like to program some graphical tools with OpenGL but I don't know which library I should use between glMLite, lablgl and tgls...
<nabillasmanur> unless you're required to use raw opengl, I'd recommend using Lit from Daniel Buenzli
<nabillasmanur> (which allows you to fallback to Tgls)
<tobiasBora> nabillasmanur: Lit ? I can't find it in opam is it normal ?
<tobiasBora> And indeed for the moment I don't really want to deal with raw opengl, but I want a solid render that can deal with lots of shape, 3D...
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<tobiasBora> Hum...
<tobiasBora> It's possible to use js_of_ocaml to render this ? It's really interesting !
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<tobiasBora> Lit hasn't been maintained for a year, it's normal ?
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<smondet> tobiasBora: yes, the WebGL bindings in js_of_ocaml work pretty well
<tobiasBora> smondet: And both lablgl/lit can deal with that ?
<smondet> hmm I don't know
<smondet> I just tried directly WebGL
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<tobiasBora> smondet: Ok thank you
<tobiasBora> If anyone knows how to use lablgl/.../... with js_of_ocaml I am intersted !
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<ollehar1> test
<ollehar1> anyone read facts and fallacies of software engineering?
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<Denommus> ollehar1: never heard of that
<ollehar1> oh
<ollehar1> ok
<ollehar1> pdf ^
<ollehar1> done my author who began coding in the 50s
<Denommus> ollehar1: I'll give it a look
<Denommus> is he alive?
<ollehar1> hm maybe
<ollehar1> he state a lot of things in that book
<ollehar1> like, code-review is better than any testing
<ollehar1> (the book is about "soft" facts in software production, not type-systems or the like :) )
<Denommus> ollehar1: I could tell by the name
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<ollehar1> and "code-review is the only silver-bullet we have"
<Denommus> I think a proper type system tends to be better than both
<ollehar1> :)
<ollehar1> like in dependant?
<Denommus> but who am I to tell? I'm no-one
<ollehar1> many bugs are also missing logic
<ollehar1> he says
<ollehar1> ah
<ollehar1> type-system definitely helps discipline
<Denommus> I think most blocker, critical and normal bugs are caused by things other than logic errors, especially now with the easiness that it is to use an external library for solving specific problems
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<ollehar1> but using external libraries should diminish bugs?
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<darryn> Is anyone here a self taught programmer with a job?
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