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<Algebr> I can't seem to find a simple answer on how to turn on camlp4 in oasis.
<Algebr> I tried Flag syntax Default: true
<Algebr> and tried just including BuildDepends lwt.syntax to no avail
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<Drup> BuildDepends should be enough
<Drup> otherwise, just add true:camlp4o in _tags
<Algebr> I get this error: E: Field campl4 is not defined in schema environment
<Drup> I'm ... not sure what that means
<Algebr> Okay, but dumb luck I commented out Build$: flag(caml and this error went again and everything works...which feels rather ad-hoc =/
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<SomeDamnBody> Is there anything like List in ocaml that will behave like a mutable list?
<SomeDamnBody> Here's the issue: I have really really big lists; I seriously want to be able to just edit pointers in the list to append
<SomeDamnBody> this shit about create a new list that is a copy of it items appended won't work, that's too slow
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<struktured> SomeDamnBody: so u just need linked list semantics, more or less?
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<struktured> SomeDamnBody: you might want to consider some sort of streaming approach if your data source can be interpreted that way
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<SomeDamnBody> hey all, I think I found the source of the leak!
<SomeDamnBody> ha :)
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<SomeDamnBody> does anybody know how to tell oasis to compile annotation files?
<SomeDamnBody> cmt or .annot?
<SomeDamnBody> ocamlbuild -bin-annot?
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<ggole> SomeDamnBody: (at least with ocamlbuild) pass it with cflags
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<Drup> SomeDamnBody: in your _tags, "true: bin_annot, annot"
<Drup> (check that is indeed an underscore)
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<rwmjones> no avsm around?
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<theblatte> I tried ocp-indent on .mll and .mly files, it looks like it's not really meant to work on those, is this correct?
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<theblatte> flux: thanks
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<theblatte> flux: although that didn't help much and mll formatting is still borked, mostly because it thinks "let bla = something+" is waiting for another argument for "+"
<flux> well, it's under issues, isn't it ;)
<theblatte> :)
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<Drup> https://x80.org/rhino-coq/ coq in the browser :D
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<Armael> # Declare ML Module "ssreflect".
<Armael> Stack overflow.
<Armael> olrite
<Drup> :D
<Armael> :]
<theblatte> same here
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<Obey_your_Master> Hi all.
<Drup> Obey_your_Master: No.
<Obey_your_Master> I have troubles using the ocaml-buddy library, is this the right place to ask for help?
* Drup will not obey.
<Obey_your_Master> Drup: Ok it won't apply to you if you want.
<companion_cube> yo
* Obey_your_Master changed his nickname to Obey_your_Master_(except_Drup)
<Drup> :D
<Obey_your_Master> When I try to compile a project (that I'm not the author of) I have a lot of error of the kind: libbuddy_stubs.c:(.text+0x259): undefined reference to "bdd_nodecount"
<Obey_your_Master> And in the end: collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
<Obey_your_Master> And finally: Error: Error while building custom runtime system
<Drup> do you have buddy installed on your system ?
<Obey_your_Master> Buddy (the C library) was installed with the package manager of Ubuntu.
<Obey_your_Master> (Provided the last version is 10 years old, I think even the package manager is up-to-date.)
<Drup> do you have the headers too ?
<Obey_your_Master> And ocaml-buddy is installed with opam.
<Obey_your_Master> Drup: The package states that the “include files” are also installed.
<Drup> you need libbdd-dev, apparently
<Drup> is that the one you have installed ?
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<Kakadu> whithout libbdd it can't find bdd.h
<Obey_your_Master> Drup: Yes.
<Kakadu> linker errors mean something different
<Kakadu> It installs find onmy machine btw
<Kakadu> Obey_your_Master: where is the difference in our logs?
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<Obey_your_Master> Kakadu: I'll check but the installing of ocaml-buddy works for me too.
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<Drup> oh, it's not for buddy that you have an issue ?
<Drup> then give how and what you compile ..
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<Kakadu> Also you can check with grep do ocaml-buddy sources mention bdd_nodecount
<Obey_your_Master> I have an issue when trying to compile a project that uses buddy.
<Obey_your_Master> I have troubles understanding all the compiling process but the command that fails is: http://paste.in.ua/73/
<Obey_your_Master> I suppose it's generated through ocamlbuild.
<Obey_your_Master> Previously I have found this about an error that seems to be the same: http://zheng.li/buzzlogs-ocaml/2011/11/23/irc.html
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<Obey_your_Master> It says that the order of the arguments may impact somehow but I have no idea how to change them (see at 16:55:33).
<Kakadu> it makes some sense
<Obey_your_Master> Also, I just checked but the version of ocaml (4.02.2 or 3.12.1) makes no difference.
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<_obad_> what do you guys recommend as a simple, no-frills xml parser with a simple API. no schemas, I want to destructure the output as a tree myself.
<_obad_> and available in opam.
<Drup> xmlm
<_obad_> does it return the parse tree? it says "streaming codec"
<Drup> it doesn't
<Drup> you build your own parse tree
<Kakadu> Obey_your_Master: It seems that you need to change ocamlbuild configuration somehow
<Kakadu> Obey_your_Master: it puts libraries in wrong order
<_obad_> what about xml-light? is that any good?
<Kakadu> Obey_your_Master: It's hard to do it telepathically (for me, at least)
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<Drup> _obad_: if you want something simpler than xmlm, use ezxmlm
<_obad_> drup: ok I'll have a look
<companion_cube> methinks Drup would downvote xml-light if opam had a vote systme
<Obey_your_Master> Kakadu: I understand ^^
<Obey_your_Master> Kakadu: Is there a way to configure ocamlbuild for a specific project or has it to be a general configuration?
<_obad_> the xml-light api seems way simpler. val parse_file : string -> xml
<Kakadu> Obey_your_Master: see ocamlbuild.ml and _tags
<_obad_> with type xml = | Element of (string * (string * string) list * xml list) | PCData of string
<Drup> companion_cube: it contains Obj.magic to resolve circular module dependencies
<Drup> I cant ಠ_ಠ it enough.
<Obey_your_Master> Kakadu: There is no file of that kind in my project, but there are in the ocaml-buddy sources. I'll have to check that, thanks!
<companion_cube> Drup: :DD
<companion_cube> oh my, opam switch on PRs is so nice
<flux> _obad_, xml-light is great, except it uses evil ocaml code involving unsafe constructs
<flux> _obad_, that's why the working man's choice is xmlm, which does need a bit more effort up front, compared to xmlm
<_obad_> drup: it's true there are a few obj.magics but it's an implementation issue and I'm not an ideologue
<flux> there's also ezxmlm which I understand is a simpler front to xmlm
<Drup> also, ezxmlm also has a very simple api similar to xml-light
<companion_cube> does xml-light have a maintainer? Obj.magic is not a fatality
<flux> certainly its name is not easier :)
<Drup> companion_cube: it doesn't
<flux> "e for easy, then a number of consontants"
<flux> consonants even
<Drup> flux: ez for easy, actually
* Drup blames rgrinberg.
<companion_cube> :D
<flux> well, I knew that but it seemed more absurd my way ;)
<flux> seems easy though, the ezxmlm.mli that is
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<Drup> flux: well, then it's just the mark of bunzli's libraries :3
<Drup> "4 randoms letters, sometimes need an ez version" :]
<_obad_> ezxmlm vs xml-light: http://pastebin.com/rL8kvccp
<flux> meh, there should be parse_file in ezxmlm to properly compete :)
<flux> appears mostly the same, is there some difference? at least the data is represented differently
<flux> xml-light doesn't have `Data nodes
<flux> which are probably super nice if you want to change and save the document
<_obad_> in my case they're not important
<flux> a simple filter_map should get rid of them
<_obad_> but maybe ezxmlm has some helper functions that will help me get the data I want
<flux> hmm, I was thinking that's why polymorphic vairants were used in the first place, but it doesn'tseem like it's anymore compatible with 'nodes' if one removes `Data from the type.. sad.
<flux> I guess you must then just ignore them.
<Kakadu> Obey_your_Master: very likely your project doesn't use ocamlbuild than. It seems that task is simpler that it could be
<flux> there is still some work left. 4 packages in opam depend on xml-light.
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<Drup> flux: and it's used by haxe
<flux> no haxe in opam :(
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<flux> it would be good to have applications in opam as well
<Drup> haxe is not an application
<flux> then the guys in the ivory towers could try compiling those as well when considering language breaking changes ;-)
<flux> well, it's a compiler?
<Drup> yeah
<flux> in my book that's an application :)
<flux> ie. not a library
<Drup> flux: I think most applications are in opam anyway
<flux> oh, unison at least is
<flux> and mldonkey
<flux> the names of the two ocaml apps I know of 8-)
<Drup> liquidsoap too
<Drup> is coq an application ? :D
<flux> well, yes. though it comes with a code generator as well.
<flux> someone(TM) should build a site on top of OPam advertising the applications in the way freshmeat.net did
<flux> with screenshots (missing from opam) and everything!
<flux> it could be called opammedmeat.net
<companion_cube> and votes, yay
<flux> too bad I cannot webdesign myself out of a cardboard box.
<flux> </standard disclaimer for refusing to be the Someone(TM)>
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<flux> if that's the list of all ocaml apps then I'm a sad panda.. ;-)
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<flux> where's the dynamic web page? voting? comments? exactly! nowhere!
<Drup> eh.
<flux> drup doesn't get excited too easy I see..
<Drup> :D
<theblatte> oh wow, liquidsoap is in there :D
<flux> haxe is not, though
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<Drup> haxe is not an application, it's another programming language
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<flux> well, it sounds like LexiFi's Modeling Language for finance isn't one either then :P
<companion_cube> oh btw, what is OCAMLPARAM?
<flux> compiler flags maybe? I remember it being referred somewhere, rarely..
<flux> grep the compiler source?-)
<Drup> companion_cube: what flux said, compiler params
<_obad_> the ezxmlm interface is not easy at all. for example pick_tags says that is selects all the child nodes that match a tag. but the argument for tag is a string. in xmlm a tag is a name * attribute list and a name is a string * string
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<companion_cube> it's in the compiler, indeed, but I don't know what it is used for
<flux> liquidsoap is a nice piece of software. I used it at my summah grill party for primarily playing mpd-backed playlist, and if that stream finished at some point, it would fade in an alternative background stream. music non stop!
<companion_cube> (Drup, I'm counting on you for reviewing my PR)
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<Drup> companion_cube: like, you can set it to always pass an option like bin-annot
<companion_cube> oh.
<companion_cube> also, I have no idea how to detect whether the terminal is good, whether to enable color by default…
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<Drup> good luck with that :D
<companion_cube> http://vrac.cedeela.fr/foo.png still, it 's nice having colors \o/
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<Drup> Already in my emacs™
<flux> oh my god, am I looking at a rainbow?! (sorry, I was expecting more ;-))
<companion_cube> Drup: good for you
<flux> maybe there should be an option for showing the fragment of source code as well, like iirc clang does
<companion_cube> erf
<flux> hmm, and ocaml toplevel
<companion_cube> this would be so much more work
<flux> didn't the ocaml compiler do that?
<flux> I guess not
<companion_cube> Drup: do you compile every project from within emacs? that is so weird
<Drup> flux: just use utop for the toplevel, it's useless to try to reimplement it
<flux> drup, but I was talking about compiling stuff
<Drup> companion_cube: all the ones where I need to read the error messages.
<flux> of course doesn't help much us superior emacs beings
<flux> but perhaps others would appreciate
<companion_cube> Drup: that's not very helpful for people who don't use emacs
<Drup> for the compiler, yeah, maybe
<companion_cube> and using emacs shouldn't be a prerequisite for a nice ocaml experience
<Drup> companion_cube: that's why it was a joke, as indicated by the ™ at the end :3
<flux> btw, does ocamleditor support all these cool new modern things we are so becoming accustomed to?
<Drup> I don't think it supports merlin
<flux> in principle it would be cool to hack ocaml in an ocaml editor. but, then there is emacs..
<flux> and it, too, depends on xml-light ;-)
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<flux> no activity this year. so I guess if someone is looking for something to hack on during the summer.. ;-)
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<Drup> flux: this colorful discussion reminds me that I wanted to give http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/RainbowDelimiters a try
<flux> merlin should be able to colorize identifiers uniquely locally per their type
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<flux> preferably keep the same order when going from call site to function
<Drup> that would be cool yeah. I think there is a feature request about that
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<Obey_your_Master> Kakadu Drup: I managed to make it work! Thanks for your help!
<Obey_your_Master> It was indeed a problem with the order of the flags, "-cclib -lbdd" should be at the far end.
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<Obey_your_Master> (Are they really called “flags”? I'm so bad with compilation.)
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<Kakadu> i think 'libraries' suit better there
<Obey_your_Master> Ok.
<Obey_your_Master> thanks anyway, I really didn't know that the order mattered that much.
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<vbmithr> Hi
<companion_cube> hi
<vbmithr> Does anybody has ever used the pattern consisting to put connection handles in a weak hashtbl, for a server ?
<vbmithr> I'm having a server (Async) where I put Writer.t into a weak hashtbl, so when the connection to a client finishes, it disappears from the hashtbl when garbage collected
<vbmithr> but since I still have to handle errors (the value might not get GCed before I attempt to use it, even though the client has gone)
<vbmithr> So I'm wondering if it is a good use casem
<vbmithr> Other way to ask the question: have you ever used Weak and if yes, for which use cases
<companion_cube> I use it for hashconsing of symbolic terms
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<rwmjones> can anyone point me to roughly where in ocamlopt it does partial evaluation?
<rwmjones> ocamlopt.opt -c -S test.ml
<rwmjones> doesn't have any div instructions in the final output
<ggole> No need for fancy techniques, straightforward constant folding would do that
<rwmjones> so where in the compiler source is it doing that for div & mod ?
<ggole> Hmm, dunno - let's see if I can find it easily.
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<rwmjones> ok it's probably cmmgen.ml maybe?
<ggole> It seems the div goes away between lambda and clambda
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<ggole> I'll look there.
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<rwmjones> ggole: are you using -dlambda and -dclambda and so on to debug this?
<ggole> Yeah
<rwmjones> that's a good idea
<rwmjones> the twist is the bug I'm looking at manifests itself only on ppc64le
<rwmjones> where the hardware doesn't wrap ints
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<ggole> Oh, that's a rather common bug in compilers
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<rwmjones> ah yes that's useful thanks
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<ggole> Didn't expect to find it in closure.ml :/
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<Obey_your_Master> Bye all and thanks again for the help.
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<rwmjones> ggole: thanks
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<ggole> rwmjones: hmm, I'm not sure how this is buggy
<ggole> If not constant folded, an int64 div turns into a call that checks for min_int / -1 (since that will crash on some machines)
<ggole> The result should be the same either way
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<rwmjones> it's probably not buggy on x86, it's with our downstream ppc64le backend that the problems happens
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