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<flux>
meh. camlp4 doesn't install because at some point it does cp -p and that network file system gives permission denied - though it seems to me it's not really modifying any permissions..
<flux>
but I can't seem to find where the cp -p is, even if I can manually install campl4
<flux>
how do I tell opam that camlp4 is installed, don't bother? it seems it has somehow picked it by itself earlier.. or maybe I didn't quite manually properly install it yet, but still I would like to know if that can be done :)
<flux>
well, making a local cp wrapper ought to fix it regardless..
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<flux>
it probably wasn't even in the install phase where it was cp'ing it but rather at dependency resolving, even it manual make install passed..
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<AltGr>
flux, "how do I tell opam that camlp4 is installed, don't bother?" -> `opam install --fake`
<AltGr>
be careful tho, you can easily break your opam switch this way :)
<flux>
altgr, thanks, I'll keep it in my mind in the future
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<flux>
and it's not really that big a deal to break opam :)
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<johnf__>
I've created a case where I have a cyclic set of type definitions, type A = | C type B = |A type C = |B this gives a compile error any ideas how to resolve this?
<johnf__>
I can put them in a .mli file but then can't use the constructors in other modules.
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<companion_cube>
you can't define a type named "A"
<companion_cube>
but about cyclic definitions: type a = { field_a: b list } and b = { field_b : a list }
<companion_cube>
this works
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<johnf__>
companion_cube, but why doesn't it work with constructors (hope that is the right word) so in my example change the upper case values to lower case
<companion_cube>
I don't really understand what you were trying to do
<johnf__>
type a = | c type b = | a type c = |b or maybe I did something else wrong and just think this is my error
<companion_cube>
but what does type a = c mean?
<johnf__>
ah sorry helps if I give the correct syntax
<johnf__>
type a = | C of c
<johnf__>
type b = | A of a
<companion_cube>
ahhhh
<johnf__>
type c = | B of b
<companion_cube>
ok, that should work, just type a = ... and b = ... and c = ...
<johnf__>
yeah sorry about that.
<companion_cube>
you should provide at least one base case though
<companion_cube>
otherwise your types won't have any inhabitant
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<johnf__>
by base case you mean some concrete(?) type like
<johnf__>
type d = | D of int
<companion_cube>
yes
<companion_cube>
otherwise, you cannot build any (finite) value for your type
<johnf__>
I see otherwise its sort of type nonsense
<johnf__>
ok thanks got it.
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<flux>
drup, the ocsigen website mentions how one can use Apache proxying with it.. I suppose you don't know of an example of such a working configuration?
<flux>
or, I could just join #ocsigen and not load you that much ;-)
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<companion_cube>
Drup: do you have some advice about tags?
<Drup>
huuum
<Drup>
you could look at lambda-terms format implementation, there are tags magic in it
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<Drup>
It's also absolutely ugly x)
<companion_cube>
I think the most difficult part, in the compiler, is to find where to set tag functions
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<Drup>
possibly.
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<Drup>
well, actually no, you could set them anywhere
<Drup>
it doesn't matter, it's stateful anyway
<companion_cube>
but it's not a good idea to set them at every message
<Drup>
what ? no
<Drup>
you set them once, for the whole program
<companion_cube>
oh, it's not per formatter?
<companion_cube>
oh nice
<companion_cube>
perfect
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<Drup>
yeah, it's per formatter
<Drup>
but once
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<companion_cube>
val set_formatter_tag_functions : formatter_tag_functions -> unit
<Drup>
so once for std_formatter, once for err_formater
<companion_cube>
right
<companion_cube>
it's no use for other formatters anyway
<companion_cube>
ok
<Drup>
use the pp_* version instead
<companion_cube>
I miss merlin :(
<Drup>
(to specify the formatter explicitely, it's cleaner)
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<Drup>
companion_cube: the good part (on top of indenting correctly) is that it will be easier to enable/disable it.
<companion_cube>
I'm not sure it's better than an option
<companion_cube>
what if other parts of the compiler start using tags?
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<Drup>
Pretty sure we can wait to see at this point, because there are few use cases for tags that are not some spin off of "non printable sequences"
<Drup>
(I mean, tags where meant for that ...)
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<companion_cube>
Drup: what about bold? -_-
<Drup>
<bold>..</bold> ?
<companion_cube>
anyway the point is that it's bad to write "<red>Error:</red>" at several places
<companion_cube>
it's better to call print_error()
<companion_cube>
what if you mix bold and red?
<companion_cube>
(you know, ansi codes)
<Drup>
<bold><red>...</bold></red> ?
<Drup>
the other way around, but doesn't matter
<companion_cube>
anyway, those styles should appear exactly once
<companion_cube>
I don't see the point
<Drup>
well, then add a tag <error>
<companion_cube>
<warning>Warning</warning>: foo bar ?
<Drup>
I guess
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<companion_cube>
so ugly
<companion_cube>
(is <red> a standard notation for tags?!)
<companion_cube>
(or is it in boxes?)
<Drup>
yes, it's a standard notation for tags
<Drup>
it's written in the documentation
<companion_cube>
where?
<Drup>
In the spirit of HTML tags, the default tag marking functions output tags enclosed in "<" and ">": hence, the opening marker of tag t is "<t>" and the closing marker "</t>".
<companion_cube>
I see no such thing in the manpage of Format
<Drup>
oh no, nevermind
<Drup>
It's @{<red> ... @}
<companion_cube>
oh
<Drup>
by the pure tradition of elegant and lightweight format markup
<companion_cube>
doesn't seem documented
<companion_cube>
anyway.
<Drup>
It is
<Drup>
grep for @{
<companion_cube>
well it's in .ml files and tests :/
<Drup>
are you using a manpage for ten versions ago ?
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<companion_cube>
good question oO
<Armael>
the doc for fprintf is missing, here, too.
<Armael>
manpages of ocaml 4.02.1.
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<companion_cube>
same
<companion_cube>
on arch
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<companion_cube>
so, I settled on tags "error", "warning", etc. with ANSI colors
<flux>
I hope you disable them at least for non-ttys, or your software is decidedly interactive only ;)
<companion_cube>
there will be a CLI flag, don't worry
<Armael>
you want to check if stdout is a tty, too
<Armael>
even if the flags says "i want colors"
<companion_cube>
Drup: do you know how to use merlin on the compiler?
<Drup>
companion_cube: ask rks`
<companion_cube>
hmm :(
<Drup>
I think the master of menhir works on the compiler
<Drup>
merlin* ~~'
<companion_cube>
of course, the whole compiler was designed without thinking about tags
<Drup>
?
<Drup>
how is that an issue ?
<Drup>
hum, didn't knew about @<0>
<rks`>
I haven't rebased in a while
<rks`>
but yes, you can still use merlin when working on trunk
<rks`>
(I am doing it at the moment, it works fine)
<companion_cube>
Drup: it's not based on composing/nesting printers
<companion_cube>
rks`: hmm, so you opam switch to trunk, I guess
<Drup>
yeah
<rks`>
yes
<companion_cube>
ok
<Drup>
opam-compiler-conf is your friend
<companion_cube>
I think opam sw 4.03.0+trunk will do
<companion_cube>
the magic number should match
<rks`>
it should
<rks`>
it will
<companion_cube>
thanks
<companion_cube>
ooooh yeaaaah
<companion_cube>
so much better
<companion_cube>
Error: This expression has type string/3 but an expression was expected of type string/15 ← interesting error message though
<Drup>
well, he's being nice, it gives you a way to differentiate the two string types. How convenient!
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<rks`>
yeah companion_cube, that's a known problem.
<companion_cube>
ok
<companion_cube>
no problem
<rks`>
no time to investigate though, sorry
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<rgrinberg>
3
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<bitbckt>
2
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<Drup>
MercurialAlchemi: which kind of composition ? there are two
<MercurialAlchemi>
two?
<Drup>
queries in queries (and then SQL works fine, but most ORM don't)
<Drup>
and separating filters and selects (and then SQL works fine too, given you have an optimising engine, and most made up syntaxes are still complete crap)
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<Drup>
any optimizing engine can reduce "select t.name from (selection t when t.foo = 3 in 'my_table' as t) as t" to a single query
<Drup>
so as long as you have abstraction (which you don't in sql, but you do once you are in ocaml) you can define filters and compose them, it will compose terrible queries that will be optimise away, and that's fine
<Drup>
(all of that is assuming macaque's type system, of course)
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<Drup>
MercurialAlchemi: ? :(
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<tane>
hello there
<tane>
is there any easy way to let cohttp client use keep-alive and get multiple request using just one single socket (open+close)?
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<dsheets>
tane, callv lets you send a fixed sequence of requests but there is no facility currently for producing a channel object
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<tane>
thank you
<tane>
that's sad though
<tane>
what would be the preferred way to implement that? a new implementation of the Net.ctx?
<tane>
which would then maintain some state or connection pooling
<dsheets>
tane, yes it's sad, i believe there is an issue tracking this
<dsheets>
Net.ctx from conduit?
<rgrinberg>
tane: i believe the async backend supports keep alive fine
<tane>
Net.ctx as mentioned in the Client.ctx documentation
<dsheets>
i thought we had an issue tracking the fully decoupled case? iiuc, even the async backend will require you to know the requests before making the call even if it does interleave reads and writes
<tane>
haskell's http libraries come with some sort of connection manager, e.g. "withManager $ \manager -> do ...", something along this line would be rather useful, so connections close even if the request/reponse chain yields exceptions
<dsheets>
i really want a channel abstraction so that the github bindings don't have to do a full tcp+tls handshake on every call
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<rgrinberg>
dsheets: I think async will let you push more requests to the pipe after getting responses back. Pretty sure it closes the connection only when the pipe is closed.
<tane>
so a channel would be a socket + basic procotol (encryption)?
<rgrinberg>
dsheets: Agreed. an http library should after all let you use whatever socket you want
<dsheets>
hmm perhaps the async reader abstraction is sufficient.
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<tane>
mh, what's the first Uri.t in callv's signature used for?
<rgrinberg>
tane: get the host to estabish the connection i believe
<tane>
yeah
<tane>
my point being that you can change the Uri.t`s of the request arbitrarily, so this kind of interface leaves much room for doing strange stuff, at least from my limited understanding
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<tane>
so either it's host + requests without mutable host and just request paths upon the prior given host or a manager kind of thing, which may handle multiple keep-alive connections to different hosts, allowing a request sequence targetting multiple hosts
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