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<struktured> is there a ppx extension (or ocaml idiom) that allows you use to compose together modules that have same "type t" signature?
<struktured> I was wondering if ppx_import could do it
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<ygrek> any plans for the new lwt release?
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<struktured> I suspect utop is sucking in camlp4 by default with ocaml 4.02.2 ..hm
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<struktured> ok my ~/.ocamlinit got modded to include campl4o...weird assuming that happened upon 4.02.2 upgrade
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<companion_cube> o/
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<nullcat_> o/
<companion_cube> \o
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<Drup> struktured: you don't need a ppx for that, use destructive substitution
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<whirm> Hi everybody
<whirm> adrien: I managed to build the x86 to arm crosscompiler :)
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<mudri> Hi, I'm new to OCaml, coming from Haskell (primarily). Is there a library defining something equivalent to Haskell's Either, plus functor/applicative/monad instances for all (Either a)?
<thizanne> there are a lot of library defining Either, and the type definition will be part of the standard lib in the next (I believe) release
<mudri> Ah, it's normally called “result”. Thanks!
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<mudri> Okay, I have a file with `open Batteries` being compiled with `ocamlfind ... -package batteries ...`. It seems to find `Ok` and `Bad`, but not `>>=` or `bind`. What am I missing?
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<Drup> it's in BatResult
<Drup> (and BatResult.Monad)
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<mudri> That seems to have worked.
<mudri> I've been looking through the code a bit. Why does BatResult need to repeat the definition of a monad in its .mli file?
<Drup> you kinda I have a strong case of "I want to do exactly like in haskell" don't you ? ;)
<Drup> -I
<Drup> there are no typeclasses in OCaml, and no general way of saying "this is a monad" except by providing the operations that correspond to it
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<Leonidas> THIS! IS! MONAAAAAAD!
<mudri> Ah, okay. I've never used a language with ML-style modules before, so I don't really understand them.
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<mudri> So, do functions like `mapM : ('a -> 'b t) -> 'a list -> 'b list t` have to be redefined for each `t`?
<companion_cube> sadly, yes
<companion_cube> and they will generally not be optimized as well as in Haskell
<Leonidas> yes, usually there is a Module.map function for every monad :-/
<jhaberku> Leonidas: Not actually tried this, just throwing it out there: why couldn't the monad ops be a functor in module supporting "unit" and "bind"?
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<jhaberku> *in the module
<Drup> you can do that
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<Drup> it's remarquably non-optimal
<jhaberku> Drup: In terms of code boilerplate and declarations, or compiled code?
<Drup> both :)
<Drup> companion_cube commited such thing in containers
<companion_cube> that might be better with flambda though
<companion_cube> yes, I needed it
<companion_cube> for code that would have been to complicated otherwise
<jhaberku> Drup: Ah, interesting. I'm really curious to see what OCaml looks like soon with the implicit modules and multicore stuff.
<companion_cube> but we have no idea when (or whether) OCaml will have those some day
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<Leonidas> communication from inria is kinda meh
<Drup> I didn't knew there was such thing as communication from inria related to OCaml
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<Drup> for some specific developers, maybe, but from inria ...
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<octachron> Is Inria even aware of the existence of ocaml?
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<Drup> it is very aware
<companion_cube> really?
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<Drup> well, it has been aware, at least :D
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<octachron> for some limited definition of aware, I imagine. Finding any mention of ocaml on www.inria.fr is already quite difficult
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<cml> writing pattern matching for polymorphic invariants like this raises error: | `V1 (x, y) | `V2 (x, y) -> func. but this works: | `V1 (x, y) -> func | `V2 (x, y) -> func. what is the right syntax for the first version?
<Drup> the first version is correct, your issue is probably somewhere else
<companion_cube> unless (x,y) have different types in `V1 and `V2 cases
<cml> they have same types
<Drup> cml: show the whole thing
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<struktured> Drup: that's for module types though right? not modules.
<cml> sure
<Drup> struktured: both
<Drup> or rather, you do it for a module type and you constraint the module
<struktured> I worked around it just by defining functors which don't expose "type t" and then composing them with a module that does later
<struktured> but do u have an example? module C = struct include A include B end..A and B both define tyep t
<Drup> include (M: module type of M with type t := t)
<struktured> ! argh.spent hours looking for just that
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<struktured> is that documented on that page?
<struktured> thanks a bunch drop, owe you a drink
<struktured> *drup
<Drup> well ...it's a combination of various things, I guess ?
<struktured> yeah I didn't pull it all together myself, despite 8 hours of experimenting
<Drup> don't worry, I spend far more than 8 hours doing weird stuff with functor application/module inclusions in eliom/tyxml
<struktured> I think I didn't know include allowed the ":" constraint operator
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<Enjolras> hi
<Enjolras> I'm trying to use sedlex, but i don't understand how i am supposed to track line numbers. It doesn't look like there is an API for that
<Enjolras> hence, i'm not sure how to give the line position easily with menhir, unless i wrap the sedlex api in a custom module
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<Enjolras> ok, i got it. It's easy to wrap it in a custom struct as long as i don't want to recover from errors in menhir
<Enjolras> (which i don't)
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<SGrondin> Hi, is there a way to capture the STDOUT and exit code when execv'ing a command?
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<S11001001> SGrondin: execv replaces your process with the called one; you need a different function
<smondet> SGrondin: yes, many ways, with `Unix` module: http://pleac.sourceforge.net/pleac_ocaml/processmanagementetc.html
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<smondet> (it's indeed never execv by itself; always some combinations of fork/exec/pipe)
<smondet> SGrondin: in the Lwt world, there are also high-level functions for that: https://ocsigen.org/lwt/2.4.8/api/Lwt_process
<SGrondin> I just found Lwt_process, it looks perfect, except I'm not sure how to create a file descriptor to handle the STDOUT. Can it be an Lwt_stream somehow?
<SGrondin> I'm refering to the fact that Lwt_process.exec takes a 'redirection' as argument for ~stdout
<smondet> the function `with_process_full` gives an object to play with; it's `stdin` method gives you a Lwt_io.channel
<smondet> s/it's/its/
<SGrondin> Sadly it doesn't provide the exit code afaik
<SGrondin> Would this work?: call Lwt.exec, and pass an Lwt_unix.pipe_in for the ~stdout?
<smondet> it does with the `#status` method
<smondet> SGrondin: yes exec + pipe work; it's more old school, and easier to get wrong
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<SGrondin> #status looks good
<SGrondin> I'm gonna try it out, thanks a lot for your help
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<SGrondin> I'm getting a stupid issue that I've had before, but I forgot how to fix it.
<SGrondin> Error: No implementations provided for the following modules:
<SGrondin> Lwt_process referenced from test.cmx
<SGrondin> Lwt_io referenced from test.cmx
<SGrondin> I'm using ocamlbuild and I'm already doing "-pkg lwt,lwt.syntax"
<SGrondin> Oh, it could be because I forgot to load the unix module
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<SGrondin> Nope, that's not it
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<SGrondin> It was lwt.unix, in case someone searches irc logs for answers :)
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<flux> those things should really works just automatically, shouldn't they?
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<ygrek_> Drup, any plans for the lwt release?
<Drup> ugh, that
<Drup> I forgot ..
<Drup> vbmithr: ping ? :D
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<vbmithr> yeah ?
<vbmithr> ha
<vbmithr> lwt release
<vbmithr> Ok, I can do it :)
<vbmithr> tomorrow
<struktured> i
<struktured> oops, sorry
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<ygrek_> oh, nice
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<ygrek_> thanks
<ygrek_> will keep an eye on it
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