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<Denommus> how does a shared message bus in ocsigen works internally?
<Denommus> is it just a websocket?
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<Algebr``> would be nice if the compiler remembered the original type names when printing out errors
<Algebr``> 'my_type rather than 'a
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<Algebr``> Drup: ping
<Drup> Denommus: you mean Eliom_bus ? It's based on Eliom_comet
<Drup> Algebr``: pong
<Algebr``> made a type like this type 'a foo = (<bar: Js.js_string Js.t Js.readonly_prop; .. > as 'a )Js.t Then when I have a type of this foo, I want to do arbitrary usages of ##, aka example##.other_field
<Algebr``> I thought the .. would cover this but doesn't and I get type errors
<Drup> it will depends what ends up in the 'a.
<Drup> what's the actual type of example ?
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<Algebr``> actual example is a good bit more complicated but basically I want to be able to define these types like <foo, bar, .. > Js.t so that I can say theses fields are guaranteed here but more as well
<Algebr``> what ends up in 'a is another type variable
<Drup> what's the type error ?
<Algebr``> it might hurt your head
<Drup> Algebr``: the heat is already killing me, you can't make it worse
<Algebr``> basically saying that props isn't part a part of the signature and I know it isn't, not sure why a .. won't cover that
<Drup> the error message is probably missing some additional constraint
<Drup> (it happens when you have this kind of messy subtyping constraints)
<Algebr``> ah, yea, I had this before, okay
<Drup> it's difficult to answer you without the code
<Drup> (I think your types are too complicated)
<Algebr``> maybe
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<Algebr``> how do you do multiple constraints in type ('a, 'b) foo constraint 'a =
<Algebr``> ah, of course OCaml syntax
<Algebr``> constraint ('a, 'b)
<Algebr``> or not i guess
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<Algebr``> ah, got the types figured out, yay.
<Algebr``> hmm, I have never seen so many wacky type errors as this week heh, In this definition, a type variable cannot be deduced from the type parameters.
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<tormen> Hmm. Is there a way to do a "try: ... with |... |.. else XXX and XXX is only executed if there was NO exception ?
<companion_cube> why not put the XXX in the try?
<tormen> I would like to write a small "not_found" wrapper that returns "true" if any operation threw a "Not_found" exception...
<companion_cube> try …; false with Not_found -> …; true ?
<tormen> So something like: let not_found f = try f () with Not_Found -> true else false
<tormen> ah yes thanks !! :))
<tormen> companion_cube: :))
<tormen> *dough* ... again :)) thaaaaaanks !!!
<companion_cube> no pb ^^
<Leonidas> tormen: you know that you can match exceptions in pattern matching?
<Leonidas> you might not even need such a wrapper (or you do, don't know your code)
<tormen> Hun. I think I just found a bug in the part of (ocamlc?) that outputs "inferrd.mli" ...
<tormen> inferred.mli tells me val not_found : (unit -> 'a) -> bool and when I compile it complains about val not_found : (unit -> unit) -> bool not matching val not_found : (unit -> 'a) -> bool ;)
<tormen> interesting.
<tormen> I'll file a bug report.
<tormen> hmm what category does this fall under (ocamlc ... foo.inferred.ml) ? ... "Ocaml backend (code generation)" ?
<companion_cube> no wait
<companion_cube> you have too general a .mli
<companion_cube> I think your `not_found` (in the .ml) is `(unit -> unit) -> bool`
<companion_cube> which is too specific for what you advertise in the .mli
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<tormen> companion_cube: maybe you can have a look there. I noted the exact 5 steps to reproduce. As I mentioned in the additional info: for me my f is clearly (unit -> unit) so not sure why the inferred.mli detects a (unit -> 'a)...
<tormen> ... maybe I am missing something or my brain is heat affected again :)
<companion_cube> hmm I don't even get how you generate the foo.inferred.mli
<companion_cube> this command line is seriously worrying, you have camlp4 AND ppx
<companion_cube> oh indeed it puts something in _build/
<companion_cube> wtf
<tormen> the ppx comes from corebuild and the camlp4 is a dependency of pgocaml
<companion_cube> AH
<tormen> companion_cube: but as I mentioned in the bug report I am FAR FAR away from mastering the different ocamlc, ocamlbuild, components and parameters...
<companion_cube> ocamlbuild doesn't pass `-strict-sequence` to `ocamlc -i`
<flux> there's a work-in-progress ppx port of pgocaml, if you're interested
<companion_cube> tormen: I think it's more a bug in ocamlbuild
<companion_cube> becuase `ocamlc -strict-sequence -i foo.ml` gives the proper type
<tormen> flux: hmmm. I am not even sure what the difference is, what the implementations are ;) ... but I keep that in mind !!! thanks !! :)))
<flux> of course, the syntax is a bit different and might change even further down the road
<tormen> flux: not a priority for now :) ... but certainly nice to know :)) your link goes straight into /learn/ocaml/packages/pgocaml :)
<tormen> companion_cube: okey good. It's what I intuitively felt too, so I classified the bug "ocamlbuild" :)
<companion_cube> oh, there's still a category for that? funny
<companion_cube> you could also have reported on github's ocamlbuild repo I think
<companion_cube> but don't worry, it's good to have taken the time to report
<tormen> companion_cube: :)) Glad to be able to give back a tiny bit of what I receive (here)!
<tormen> flux: can you say if ppx is the successor, will eventually take over and role te world (over camlp4) ?
<flux> yes
<tormen> okey :)
<tormen> that makes a pgocaml ppx version all the more intesting :) ... but not for the next few months ;)
<tormen> companion_cube: thanks for your comment (I suppose :)) ! :)
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<gasche> tormen: I'm writing a bugfix for your ocamlbuild bug report, under which name would you like to be cited?
<gasche> (eg. "tormen" or some other name of your choice)
<Leonidas> flux: good to hear about the ppx port :)
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<Leonidas> tormen: pick "Damien Doligez"
* Leonidas *hides*
<Leonidas> In all seriousness, thank you gasche, I appreciate the work you put in a lot!
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<gasche> Leonidas: you're welcome :-)
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<beginner> My installation path for ocaml and ocambuild is quite long, and when i try to build menhir i get a "bad interpreter: No such file or directory". If install ocaml in my home folder everything is just fine
<flux> beginner, I wonder if the paths involved have spaces in them?
<adrien> strace
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<gasche> beginner: did you run the Filename.is_implicit check?
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<beginner> its on linux and there are no spaces involved
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<MooseAndCaml> hi. I've suceeded with "ocamlfind install my_lib META ..." but: '#load "my_lib.cmo";;' 'Error: Reference to undefined global `Ppx_deriving_runtime'' and '#require "my_lib";;' returns 'No such package: my_lib' ... any ideas?
<gasche> hm
<adrien> beginner: can you run "file" on the executable which fails?
<gasche> MooseAndCaml: ocamlfind list | grep my_lib
<gasche> (did you use my_lib as the package name?)
<beginner> ocaml: a /home/me/blaaaaaaa/blaaaaaaaaa script text executable
<beginner> the path is much longer
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<adrien> how long?
<MooseAndCaml> gasche: the library doesn't show up when I run that command
<MooseAndCaml> i do see it in ~/.opam/4.02.3/lib/my_lib
<beginner> just to be safe
<beginner> i made it very long
<beginner> actually i can not even past it here
<adrien> 128 chars should be the max on linux
<beginner> the path from file is much less than 128 chars
<flux> beginner, are you using ecryptfs?
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<beginner> ext3
<MooseAndCaml> gasche: i am seeing it now... I had *.cma in my install list which was causing it to not be completely installed. I didn't know ocamlfind could be used in the command line. thanks for the tip
<flux> though I guess if the path is very short then it cannot be the culprit
<beginner> flux: the path that is shown is just 78 chars long
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<mrvn> beginner: paste it on paste.debian.net
<beginner> it was just a test, whether it was the long path name
<mrvn> beginner: that's 233 chars
<MooseAndCaml> Is there a ocamlmktop for utop/REPL? I just installed a lib with C bindings, which works in compiled form, but I'm getting errors in the top-level
<mrvn> beginner: what does file on that path say?
<beginner> it just prints the first 78 chars
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<mrvn> beginner: no, file on those 78 chars
<beginner> ocaml: a /home/me/blaaaaaaa/blaaaaaaaaa script text executable
<mrvn> and file on that?
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<beginner> mrvn: i dont understand, i called "file ocaml", what do you mean?
<mrvn> beginner: it says that is a script that will be interpreted by /home/me/blaaaaaaa/blaaaaaaaaa. So what is /home/me/blaaaaaaa/blaaaaaaaaa?
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<gasche> MooseAndCaml: utop has a FAQ entry on how to build custom toplevels
<beginner> a partial path? i really don't get the question. I stops printing the entire path to my ocaml binary
<mrvn> beginner: use head --lines 1 instead of file to get the full line
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<mrvn> beginner: Longer than "/home/me/blaaaaaaa/blaaaaaaaaaaaaa/blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" is not supported in linux.
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<mrvn> oddly enough my "file" shows one more char than what linux accepts.
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<beginner> i thought those crappy limitiation would only be an issue for the windows world
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<MooseAndCaml> gasche: i'm looking through that now. I having trouble finding out how that works with the ocamlREPL -- if that needs to be modified manually
<mrvn> #!/usr/bin/env aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeffffffffffffffffff
<mrvn> /usr/bin/env: ?aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccddddddddddddddd?: No such file or directory
<mrvn> seems like arguments can be longer than the command but are still pretty limited.
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<ggole> Path names have a smallish limit.
<ggole> Argument space has a limit, but it's pretty large.
<ggole> IIRC it's something like 255 chars and several megs, respectively.
<pierpa> pathnames limits are properties of each filesystem
<pierpa> looks like on all of the usual linux file systems, the limit is 255
<ggole> I thought that was file name limits
<beginner> the wiki page states there is no limit on path names for ext filesystems
<pierpa> hmmm
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<ggole> Hmm: PATH_MAX might be a "stay within this and it will certainly work" rather than a hard limit
<pierpa> ggole: you are right. All of the common linux fs¹ have no limit for path names and 255 for file names. ¹Except for ISO 9660
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<mrvn> ggole: PATH_MAX is obsolete
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<riceandbeans> so I was using ruby, and had to use gem again, and then I remember opanm and I was like...I couldn't understand ocaml, but the package manager for it made gem look like crap
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<sh0t> how do you guys handle .mly files in merlin? I get syntax errors in the section {open...}
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<flux> my guess is: people don't..
<flux> or does merlin say it supports mly?
<Algebr``> don't use merlin with mly
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<companion_cube> I don't :/
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<tormen> (and maximum pathname lengths :))
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<sh0t> ok Algebr`` flux :)
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<hcarty> seliopou: Congratulations on a first angstrom release!
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<hcarty> I still haven't had time to test the Z submodule
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<seliopou> hcarty: thanks! and thank you for your contributions
<seliopou> i'm gonna collect some benchmark data for the mailing list post, will probably send tomorrow
<seliopou> i'm holding off on z until the next release
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<rgrinberg> seliopou: congrats on the release :P
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<Algebr``> Drup: for js_of_ocaml, is there an equvialent of Lwt_main.run's signature of 'a Lwt.t -> 'a
<Algebr``> I have a block of code that I want to block until it has finished all its computation
<Algebr``> so playing iwth Lwt.task and canceling
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<Drup> it's not really possible to block in JS.
<Algebr``> yea i get that but was hoping for a lwt sempahore or something
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<cheater> hi
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<Algebr``> hi
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<tormen> hi