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<adrien> (1149.fr is down, either it is brought up or I'll switch to huit.re ; in any case a proper url-shortener is needed for https://www.fun-mooc.fr/courses/parisdiderot/56002S02/session02/about )
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<Leonidas> it's pretty memorable as-is
<adrien> Leonidas: the URL?
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<Leonidas> yes ;) (kidding, obviously, though 1149.fr does not strike me as that great either)
<adrien> Leonidas: the main trouble is that it needs to be short enough to fit in /topi
<adrien> /topic
<Drup> Well, huit.re is framasoft, it can't be bad (and dat url name)
<Leonidas> does huitre mean something?
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<adrien> oyster
<Drup> (in french)
<adrien> Drup: 1149.fr is owned by a co-founder of a DIY ISP
<adrien> (illyse, Lyon's region)
<Drup> adrien: but the name is far less good
<adrien> Drup: are you sure? have you read RFC 1149 ?
<Drup> ah, it's *that* rfc, yeah, I remember
<Drup> I still thing huit.re is better
<Drup> think*
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<adrien> and 1149.fr would welcome you with a big pidgin picture
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<Algebr`> is it possible to change oasis's variables from just within oasis file
<Algebr`> specifically:bytecomp_c_compiler native_c_compiler
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<Algebr`> I don't want a 7,000 line myocamlbuild.ml because I just want to change the damn c compiler used from gcc to clang
<mrvn> NativeOpt: -cc g++
<mrvn> ByteOpt: -cc g++
<mrvn> in _oasis
<mrvn> maybe you can use a tag or config option for that too
<Algebr`> oh ffs, I kept putting it under ccopts
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<mrvn> I would send an IPI at the end of startup. The counter gets incremented way too early.
<mrvn> ups
<Algebr`> mrvn: this is so ridiculous, still doesn't work
<mrvn> did you run oasis and configure?
<Algebr`> via _oasis route
<Algebr`> I'm using hte dynamic setup
<mrvn> try forcing it anyway
<Algebr`> and tried with oasis setup for the generated myocamlbuild
<mrvn> I use the above to force g++ for my ocaml-qt5
<adrien> Algebr`: is the C compiler invoked by ocamlc?
<Algebr`> yes, its ocamlc that keeps screwing it up
<adrien> it's not screwing up everything
<Algebr`> why isn't ocamlc using clang instead of gcc
<Algebr`> I'm giving it the options in ByteOpt
<adrien> it simply doesn't handle you specifying anything else than what was chosen when ocaml itself was built
<Algebr`> ..........................
<Algebr`> you seriously can't tell it to use clang instead of gcc?
<adrien> the reason is that it uses more than just "gcc"
<adrien> it has a whole set of subsequent flags
<adrien> which are non-trivial
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<adrien> if you are certain you'll get everything right, just create a new directory, put symlinks there, add it to $PATH for the build
<adrien> done in 30 seconds
<Algebr`> symlink gcc to clang?
<Algebr`> you mean
<Algebr`> and make my build even more complicated.
<adrien> in a local directory
<Algebr`> adrien: is there an example of this 30 second solution?
<adrien> mkdir foo
<adrien> ln -s $(which clang) foo/gcc
<adrien> ln -s $(which clang++) foo/g++
<adrien> PATH=$(pwd)/foo:$PATH make
<pippijn> adrien: I'd probably go for shell scripts instead of symlinks
<pippijn> who knows what those programs do with argv[0]
<adrien> their argv[0] would be right
<adrien> err, no
<adrien> sorry :P
<pippijn> but yeah, that probably works
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<adrien> but the crux of the idea is there, shell scripts can be helpful too but they're not a big deviation
<pippijn> yes
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<Algebr`> adrien: okay that works, but what's a clean way to integrate into build ?
<Algebr`> would opam build: ["PATH=$(pwd)/temp_dir:${PATH} make"]?
<Algebr`> rather, for all the various oasis setup crap things in a oasis drive opam build
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<adrien> Algebr`: as long as the command is interpreted by a shell, that will work
<Algebr`> ah, opam build just blindly does it
<adrien> Algebr`: but are you going to try to push a package that forces a specific compiler?
<seliopou> CC=/path/to/clang cmd ?
<Algebr`> I want this to be built with only clang
<adrien> seliopou: strings $(which ocamlc) | grep ranlib
<adrien> Algebr`: is that going to be a public package?
<Algebr`> yes
<adrien> then, unless you have a really good reason to do so, it shouldn't pass review
<Algebr`> excuse me
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<Algebr`> What does choice of a C compiler have to do with it?
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<adrien> Algebr`: well, what is the reason you want it to use clang rather than gcc? by setting a different compiler, you're deviating from other packages so that needs a justification imho
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<Algebr`> its odd to me that I have to justify what C compiler I want to use
<Algebr`> I like clang better
<Algebr`> I like its code better and I like stuff like fsanitize=address etc
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<adrien> you don't have to justify anything for you own use but if you want it to be merged, there should be a reason for deviating from the standard packaging
<Algebr`> and I gave reasons
<Algebr`> This is an odd way to starting choking a community
<adrien> note that I'm not in charge of opam but doing things differently than the compiler needs a reason
<Algebr`> adrien: okay, you're right. thanks for the help.
<Algebr`> adrien: have you seen -fsanitize=address -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fsanitize=undefined-trap -fsanitize-undefined-trap-on-error
<Algebr`>
<Algebr`> get a null pointer and this super awesome dump comes up on screen with a lot of info
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<Algebr`> hmm, now can't seem to get -fsanitize=address through to the linker cause ocamlmklib is compaing
<Algebr`> :( spend more time building code than writing it
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<ubertaco> Hello!
<ubertaco> I'd like to PR a couple of String/Bytes stdlib functions that I think are common enough to be useful
<companion_cube> inb4 String.split
<ubertaco> of_char_list, to_char_list, primarily
<ubertaco> I'm guessing split is a common request. :)
<ubertaco> If my PR gets rejected, fine, okay, I'm cool with that.
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<companion_cube> the fastest way around that right now is to use stringext/astring/batteries/…
<ubertaco> But I'd like to send a quality PR. So...how do I run tests? I *think* I added tests correctly (asserts in the appropriate .ml file under testsuite/tests)
<ubertaco> nevermind, I'm an idiot
<ubertaco> "make tests" instead of "make test"
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<Algebr`> companion_cube: lol
<Algebr`> ubertaco: I hate to be the one to do this but it most likely will fail and will be rejected.
<ubertaco> Algebr`: really? :\
<Algebr`> ubertaco: this is the reality.
<Algebr`> use stringext or astring
<Algebr`> or your own
<ubertaco> how come?
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<Algebr`> because this is how the culture of this community is, perhaps thats too blunt an answer
<companion_cube> contributions to the stdlib are hard to get through
<ubertaco> Ah. :(
<Algebr`> ubertaco: to be fair, its with merit.
<ubertaco> Hence the proliferation of third-party stdlibs, I guess
<ggole> The philosophy is that the stdlib is small (mostly what the compiler and tools themselves need) and that community libraries are there for people who want more
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<ubertaco> Eh, that's fair
<ubertaco> so...prolly not worth it to bother with it?
<Algebr`> nope
<Algebr`> worth it as a fun exercise to write the code though
<ggole> There are corresponding ideas in other language communities, too - the Rust people like to say 'std is where libraries go to die'
<Algebr`> and yet rust just relased a rust-platform
<Algebr`> or is thinking about it?
<ggole> That isn't the stdlib
<ubertaco> yeah, my impression is that rust-platform is a "blessed" set of libs
<companion_cube> rust-platform would be a curated set of 3rd party of libs
<companion_cube> not the stdlib itself
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<Algebr`> which defacto becomes a stdlib
<ggole> They were talking to the Haskell people about how their platform attempt turned out.
<ggole> Which was an interesting conversation.
<companion_cube> I think they still should be liberal in adding *interfaces* to the stdlib
<companion_cube> to provide common traits between competing 3rd party libs
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<ggole> A standard set of module signatures, which parties could implement and add more to?
<ggole> *3rd parties
<Algebr`> that would be nice
<Algebr`> and perhaps a happy compromise
<pierpa> the signatures are the problem. Writing the implemenation is a smop
<ggole> I think this might run into problems when the contents of the signatures needed to change
<adrien> Algebr`: yeah, they've already been useful to me :)
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<adrien> well, I've mostly used asan, not others yet
<Algebr`> adrien: what lib were you passing to get it to link
<Algebr`> I was getting asan link errors
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<adrien> you simply need to pass the same -fsanitize stuff at link-time
<Algebr`> cause ocamlmklib was then complaining
<Algebr`> yea I was giving it on CClib, CCopt but then ocamlmklib borked
<adrien> what does it say?
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<Algebr`> adrien: /home/gar/.opam/working/bin/ocamlfind ocamlmklib -o src/qjsengine_stubs -lc++ -Wl,-rpath,/opt/qt57/lib '-fsanitize=address' -fno-omit-frame-pointer '-fsanitize=undefined-trap' -fsanitize-undefined-trap-on-error -L/opt/qt57/lib -lQt5Qml -lQt5Network -lQt5Core src/qjsengine_stubs.o src/qjsengine_values.o /home/gar/.opam/working/bin/ocamlfind: unknown option '-fsanitize=address'.
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<Algebr`> trying to get around it, : unknown option '-Wl,-fno-omit-frame-pointer'.
<adrien> Algebr`: tried with -ldopt before that?
<adrien> or -cclib
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<Algebr`> well I'm putting this all on the line for oasis's CClib or CCopt
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<Algebr`> and so using -ldopt doesn't work
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<orbifx> hello all
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<companion_cube> o/ orbifx
<orbifx> companion_cube what' up
<orbifx> been a while
<companion_cube> hurting my brain with SAT solving, but otherwise I'm well
<companion_cube> you?
<orbifx> Good. Thought I'd put a pomodoro or two on one of my projects. Semi-ocaml-ish which is good
<orbifx> companion_cube: SAT as in Scholastic Aptitude Test?
<companion_cube> satisfiability
<orbifx> ow ok :P
<orbifx> what are you using it for?
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<companion_cube> research
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<orbifx> any linux afficionados here for some brainstorming?
<zozozo> why not
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<orbifx> i want to track users created by my application
<orbifx> I want the solution to be as linux system based as possible
<orbifx> So i think I will add these users to a special group, as a way of tracking them.
<orbifx> What do you think?
<kakadu> Will your app require sudo privelegies?
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<kakadu> because `usermod -a -G name grp` seems to need one
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<companion_cube> hmm, does OCaml know it can optimize `Array.blit` with memcpy if case of `int array`?
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<orbifx> kakadu: yes
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<orbifx> zozozo: ?
<zozozo> orbifx: when you say your application, does it mean your code ?
<orbifx> essentially yes
<zozozo> how would it create user ? system call ?
<orbifx> yeah
<orbifx> useradd
<orbifx> ive written that
<orbifx> just want to make sure it doesn't delete users created by other sources
<zozozo> just read /etc/passwd prior to calling useradd ?
<orbifx> why? what for?
<orbifx> My method is to create the user and also add them to a group signifying that the user was created by my application
<orbifx> when a user is about to be deleted via my application, it does so only if the user if a member of that group, otherwise fails
<zozozo> that was as an answer to "just want to make sure it doesn't delete users created by other sources"
<zozozo> ah, I suppose the app has no peristent storage ?
<orbifx> no
<orbifx> I am avoiding a separate storage
<orbifx> I want other applications or the admin to easily tell which users derived that way
<orbifx> (it doesn't have the delete checks yet)
<orbifx> kakadu: have you build any lablqt apps on winblows?
<zozozo> orbifx: groups seem to be a good idea (provided the group you use is itself unique to your app)
<orbifx> yeah.. I'm calling my group "wheel"
<orbifx> can't possibly be taken right? :P
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<orbifx> is there an ocaml lib for user managment?
<orbifx> i think i looked a while ago, but nothing good
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<zozozo> i don't know
<kakadu> no, never on winblows
<orbifx> k
<orbifx> anyway
<orbifx> later guys
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<nicoo> Algebr`: Your conclusion in https://twitter.com/EdgarArout/status/759085213825638400 is wrong
<nicoo> ocamlc is usually a bytecode executable
<nicoo> the string you see simply described the build environment
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<Algebr`> nicoo: yea, bob was telling me more
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<Algebr`> but that doesn't solve the thing I had earlier in irc chat
<Algebr`> or at least I don't see how it does
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* nicoo is too lazy/busy to bakclog right now
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<Algebr`> nicoo: wanted to use clang instead of gcc
<nicoo> And?
<nicoo> (I have CC=clang and CXX=clang++ set in my environment since ages)
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