<NickLowe>
I'm curious. After reading https://openwrt.org/meetings/20201210 - this documents enabling 802.11w (in optional mode) by default after branching 20.12 - why not do this before and ship with this?
<NickLowe>
What is the benefit in waiting another year before this hits a stable release branch? What is achieved?
<NickLowe>
The shell script change to offer this by default appears to be simple and a one-liner: set_default ieee80211w $((wpa & 1 ? 0 : (wpa & 2) >> 1))
<blocktrron>
nlowe: Apple MacBooks pre-2017 fail to connect as soon as MFP is optional
<blocktrron>
iwlmvm fails on required
<blocktrron>
And to be precise: Altering default behavior this close to a release is not really aiming for stability
<nlowe>
I have tested with a MBP 2014 and 2015 and they do not fail to connect with 10.14 (Mojave), 10.15 (Catalina) or 11.0 (Big Sur) FWIW
<Tapper>
Yeah what blocktrron said
<blocktrron>
considering we will have to add workarounds for drivers with broken MFP (Brokencom, marvell)
* Tapper
nods
<blocktrron>
nlowe: 2016 late MBP - not able to connect to a 802.11w optional PSK2 AP
<blocktrron>
Same for a early 2012 MBA
<Tapper>
We will have a flud of people on the forums asking why openwrt does not work with there iphones
<nlowe>
Are you sure that's not for older, obsolete macOS releases?/
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<blocktrron>
Was the one prior to Big Sur for the 2016
<blocktrron>
For the 2012 it was the last supported
<Tapper>
I am all ready sick to the back teeth of people asking why they cant have 19.06.5 on the wrt54g v2.2
<dorf_>
lol
<Tapper>
Pleas pleas just let the wrt54g routers die! I beg you! lol They wer grate routers in there day I had one and loved it.
<dorf_>
you should tell them to put in back in the dumpster where they found it, Tapper
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<blocktrron>
Also this needs more logic, as rekeying fails in some drivers when 802.11w / 802.11r are enabled at the same time
* Tapper
Holds his head in his hands.
<Tapper>
I have tryed.
<blocktrron>
[415043.174783] Rekeying PTK for STA 2a:xx:xx:xx:xx:47 but driver can't safely do that.
<olmari>
ask them how come they are not driving the 20+y old cheapest car they can get back then, and demanding it to have all the latest things in it
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* urjaman
is driving a 30yo car... no wrt54g tho
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<blocktrron>
nlowe: i appreciate your push into that direction, but for these change, having these issues documented in the forum by people using the snapshots is a big benefit
<olmari>
urjaman: you can drive the wrt54g too, with most everytrhign stick like you do with your car I can presume (:
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<Hauke>
when you activate sae or sae-mixed, 802.11w will be optional for WPA2 and required for WPA3 like required in the Wifi alliance standard
<Hauke>
so the default of 802.11w changes
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<nlowe>
My Apple contact in their Enterprise Wi-Fi division has just said MFP/PMF should be compatible from macOS 10.14 and iOS 13
<nlowe>
It's broken in iOS 12 with devices like the iPhone XS
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<nlowe>
Please can somebody review and, if appropriate, merge https://github.com/openwrt/luci/pull/4649 - this seeks to avoid people hiding their SSID and then having roaming break, or disabling WMM and wondering why the performance sucks by adding descriptions
<nlowe>
At least by being explicit, it's clear what is being signed up for
<nlowe>
Ideally these options would be removed from LuCI but I think that ship has sailed
<nlowe>
Descriptions are:
<nlowe>
Where the ESSID is hidden, clients may fail to roam and airtime efficiency
<nlowe>
may be significantly reduced
<nlowe>
Where Wi-Fi Multimedia (WMM) Mode QoS is disabled, clients may be limited
<nlowe>
to 802.11a/802.11g rates.
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<aparcar[m]>
nlowe: all these controversial PRs days before a release, you did you homework ;)
<Borromini>
:P
<aparcar[m]>
I'm wondering what's a good mix of technical and layman description.