#openwrt-devel on 2021-03-23 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2021-02-23 09:52 ynezz changed the topic of #openwrt-devel to: Forum: https://forum.openwrt.org/ | Wiki: http://openwrt.org/ | Release: https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/19.07.7 | Notes: https://openwrt.org/releases/19.07/notes-19.07.7 | Logs: https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/openwrt-devel/

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01:41 <Grommish> Silly question, but does make clean just basically cycle thru the packages Build/Clean and Host/Clean? or does it do something monolithic on it's own?

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01:54 <owrt-snap-builds> Build [#14](https://buildbot.openwrt.org/master/images/#builders/69/builds/14) of `zynq/generic` completed successfully.

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03:11 <russell--> Grommish: make rules live (at least to some order of approximation) in Makefile, which says:

03:11 <russell--> clean: FORCE rm -rf $(BUILD_DIR) $(STAGING_DIR) $(BIN_DIR) $(OUTPUT_DIR)/packages/$(ARCH_PACKAGES) $(BUILD_LOG_DIR) $(TOPDIR)/staging_dir/packages

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03:11 <Grommish> Meh, so yeah, monolithic.. Thanks :)

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04:38 <KGB-0> https://tests.reproducible-builds.org/openwrt/openwrt_ar71xx.html has been updated. (99.1% images and 97.9% packages reproducible in our current test framework.)

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05:35 <mangix> ugh

05:35 <mangix> can someone ban this linmob guy?

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06:41 <CloudVII> Hi people, i would like to develop a modem-router for university. Do you have an idea on SoC company to take chips from? It's better if openwrt full supported.

06:41 <Grommish> CloudVII: Broadcom doesn't opensource their drivers, keep that in mind

06:42 <Grommish> CloudVII: I'd check the forum. https://forum.openwrt.org/c/hardware-questions-and-recommendations/13

06:43 <CloudVII> Watching here:

06:43 <CloudVII> https://openwrt.org/docs/techref/hardware/soc

06:43 <CloudVII> MediaTek? Did you try using their stuff?

06:43 <Grommish> Although most univ hardware will be already well managed

06:44 <Grommish> When you are talking schools, especially Univ MANs, you're not dealing with Off the Shelf hardware typically

06:45 <CloudVII> I mean, a project for university. Not to be used inside the CAN.

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06:46 <Grommish> If you're not trying to justify getting a new router, go cheap.. ALthough, have you checked out GNS3?

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06:47 <Grommish> GNS3 will allow you to setup a lab, and you can use Openwrt images

06:47 <Grommish> and its free

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06:48 <CloudVII> I'm an ee student, choosing project and thought about router. Could start with Turris Omnia since it's open. Asking if someone here worked with chips from xdsl vendors.

06:48 <Grommish> Check out VyOS as well

06:48 <Grommish> MediaTek seems the most open

06:48 <CloudVII> Are quite closed, they ask for reliable company, NDA.

06:49 <Grommish> Wifi drivers seem to the alot of issues.

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06:49 <Grommish> But, that forum link I sent earlier will help you address those questions

06:50 <Grommish> Then you can scan the ToH for the chipset type

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06:50 <CloudVII> I mean, hope to have almost quite ready once done with the PCB design. Used openwrt on my home router years ago and worked perfectly.

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06:51 <Grommish> *nod* You're looking to design a router around OpenWrt if I understand correctly

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06:52 <CloudVII> Yeah, because you did a great work. Don't want to lose a lot of time on software part.

06:52 <Grommish> CloudVII: https://forum.openwrt.org/c/hardware-questions-and-recommendations/13 is where you should look. They know which hardware to suggest.. Although I'm surprised soeone hasn't in the past

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06:53 <CloudVII> Someone did fortunately.

06:53 <CloudVII> https://project.turris.cz/en/hardware-documentation

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06:55 <Grommish> CloudVII: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/poll-interest-in-an-openwrt-purpose-built-router/69295/4

06:55 <Grommish> Someone asked the question you are asking, it was a few months ago, but might help

06:56 <Grommish> There is always th RPi4b :D

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07:00 <lemmi> if it needs wifi, i'd probably go for a chip with enough pci-e slots and put some cheap intel wifi ax cards in there

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07:01 <Grommish> If he's deigning the pcb, just build it internal

07:01 <Grommish> and pick the chipset for wifi

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07:02 <Grommish> says it's for an ee project, so is designing the pcb

07:02 <lemmi> i actually wouldn't. i'd love a cheap board with 2-4x lanports, and 2-3 pci-e m.2 slots. that way i can put there what i want

07:02 <Grommish> true

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07:03 <mangix> can someone ban this linmob guy?

07:03 <Grommish> I've got a device that I need to find someone to mount a 52-pin mPCIe header to the pads

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07:27 <plntyk> CloudVII, vdsl or cable modem part?

07:28 <plntyk> vdsl only has lantiq working now afaik

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07:28 <CloudVII> xdsl, vdsl

07:29 <CloudVII> Sorry, VDSL it's part of xDSL family. So xDSL.

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07:29 <CloudVII> If you advice on xdsl chip you are welcome.

07:30 <CloudVII> *have

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07:35 <plntyk> CloudVII, as i said - lantiq modems are supported/running with vdsl

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07:36 <plntyk> https://xdarklight.github.io/lantiq-xdsl-firmware-info/

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07:54 <plntyk> CloudVII, lantiq IP should now (2020) be MaxLinear (lantiq->Intel->maxlinear)

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08:08 <blogic> infineon->lantiq->Intel->maxlinear

08:09 <blogic> ifx->ltq they payed 900m$ intel to maxlinear they pated 65m$

08:09 <blogic> :-D

08:12 <mangix> intel has problems

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08:24 <kristrev> blogic: Nice work ucentral. I had just started working on my own small config management system, maybe time to revise ... :)

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08:43 <blogic> kristrev: how did you find that ?

08:43 <blogic> kristrev: the new server code is almost ready

08:43 <blogic> I am aiming for an early PoC release next week and then a v1.0 in ~3 months

08:43 <kristrev> blogic: I saw the ynezz starred it and got curious :)

08:43 <blogic> kristrev: http://ucentral.io/docs/ucentral-schema.html

08:43 <blogic> the data model is growing

08:44 <kristrev> thanks

08:44 <kristrev> I only took a quick look yesterday, but I hope to find some time to start experiemnting soon

08:45 <blogic> cool

08:45 <kristrev> day job is pushing for something config management fast, but my solution is fortunately not written in stone

08:45 <kristrev> it follows some of the same concepts, and thin lua layer on top of a model of the packages we have to support

08:45 <blogic> the cfg looks like this

08:45 <blogic> https://github.com/blogic/ucentral-config/blob/main/Home.venue

08:46 <blogic> we then render that out into uci after verifying it

08:46 <blogic> there will also be a progressive web app soonish to allow cfg foo

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08:46 <kristrev> nice

08:46 <blogic> and raspberry Pi images that allow you to run the controller locally without the need for it being in the public

08:46 <kristrev> bah, wish I had seen this before, oh well

08:47 <blogic> kristrev: its fresh out the press

08:47 <blogic> there is a background healthcheck

08:47 <kristrev> are there any plans to add functionality for exporting a configuration?

08:48 <blogic> so every N seconds the unit will test all the local dns/dhcp server, check if the wifis that are up are what uci says should be up, if the inet ifaces are operational, if the radius server is reachable (if using EAP) ....

08:48 <blogic> exporting in what way ?

08:48 <blogic> like we can add anything we want if there is a valid use case

08:48 <blogic> based on the healthcheck the unit then reports its sanity 0-100

08:48 <kristrev> with a web frontend it might not be so useful, but if I have already configured a device and would like to deploy that configuration to multiple devices

08:49 <blogic> ah yes

08:49 <kristrev> then it would be practical if I could run a magic command that creates the model and import it on the other devices

08:49 <blogic> so the concept is that you do not cfg one device but a network of devices

08:49 <blogic> like you have a cfg and then say "deploy to the following devices"

08:49 <kristrev> yup

08:50 <blogic> https://github.com/blogic/ucentral-config/blob/main/Home.venue#L45

08:50 <blogic> if you look here, wifi is not cfg'ed based on a phy but a band

08:50 <blogic> so ucentral figures out by itself which phy to use

08:51 <kristrev> what does the u and l mean?

08:51 <blogic> upper lower

08:51 <kristrev> ah, thanks

08:51 <blogic> https://github.com/blogic/ucentral-schema/blob/main/cfg/cfg_phy.uc#L94

08:51 <blogic> also stuff like this

08:51 <blogic> we check if mimo, htmode, channel will work on a phy, if not we dropp the the best effort version and notify the backend

08:52 <kristrev> nice

08:52 <kristrev> I see one issue with some of my devices, but it is probably not a big deal. I have multiple 2.4 or multiple 5 phys

08:52 <blogic> yeah, we can add a field to force a specific one

08:53 <kristrev> aha, I see the function wifi_generate now, that answers my earlier question. Should have checked the code more closely before asking ...

08:53 <blogic> the unit will upon boot create a huge json with all the probed capabilities and send it to the backend

08:53 <blogic> so backend knows exactly whats in the ap

08:53 <blogic> https://github.com/blogic/ucentral-schema/blob/main/cfg/cfg_network.uc#L263

08:53 <blogic> networks are created based on a type

08:53 <kristrev> I am currently using the path in my cfg mgmt solution. My files are only valid for a device of a certain type, so it works for me (tm)

08:53 <blogic> so nat is like lan but without the eth ports

08:54 <blogic> guest is like nat but with isolate and local ip ranges blocked

08:54 <blogic> i'll be adding wireguard and vxln soonish

08:54 <blogic> *vxlan

08:54 <kristrev> cool

08:54 <blogic> jow is currently working on the ipv6 support

08:55 <kristrev> I look forward to following the progress and hopefully have time to dig deeper into the tool

08:55 <blogic> other things on the list are captive portal, hs2.0, open roaming, ...

08:55 <blogic> and the best part is, this is funded work ;)

08:55 <kristrev> cool, can I ask by whom?

08:55 <blogic> so I am actually working on this almost full time right now

08:56 <kristrev> (and I am sorry for not contributing usb to udevmand like I alked about earlier ... :(

08:56 <blogic> https://telecominfraproject.com/wifi/

08:56 <blogic> hehe

08:56 <blogic> we'll add it eventually

08:56 <blogic> udevmand is actually used to push the topology map to the backend

08:57 <kristrev> is it a continuation of purple or something else?

08:57 <blogic> its similar but in a different market

08:57 <blogic> it is not as ISP driven as prpl

08:57 <blogic> much more productive and technical

08:57 <blogic> prpl is more a manager meeting group

08:58 <kristrev> sounds good

08:58 <blogic> TIP is far bigger aswell

08:58 <kristrev> I just saw a lot of the same names on the list

08:58 <kristrev> but I guess that is hard to avoid :)

08:58 <blogic> https://telecominfraproject.com/participants/

08:58 <blogic> yeah

08:58 <blogic> there are like 600 members

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09:00 <kristrev> huge

09:02 <kristrev> time for a meeting (yay), nice talking to you and again, nice work (to you and everyone else)

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09:03 <rsalvaterra> blogic: friendly ping on this one… :) https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/openwrt/patch/20210316090236.2018-1-rsalvaterra@gmail.com/

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09:03 <rsalvaterra> (I'd really like to reduce our upstream diff as much as possible.)

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09:46 <jow> uco

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09:46 <jow> oops, sorry

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19:33 <aparcar[m]> the buildbots are bored...

19:38 <rsalvaterra> Rather quiet in here today… :P

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19:49 <mangix> Very

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19:51 <mangix> Huh. What is this bmips thing? DTS version of bcm47xx?

19:56 <rmilecki> mangix: bcm6368, bcm6362, bcm6318, bcm6328 and bcm63268

19:56 <rmilecki> (quoting noltari)

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20:01 <mangix> OK

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20:23 <rsalvaterra> mangix: Heh. I bit the bullet and did the 5.10 bump myself: https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/4023

20:23 <rsalvaterra> It was actually easier than last time, since I didn't have to manually rebase any patches.

20:33 <Borromini> rsalvaterra: at some point it usually gets 'easy', when the patchlevel creeps up

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20:45 <owrt-snap-builds> Build [#19](https://buildbot.openwrt.org/master/images/#builders/2/builds/19) of `layerscape/armv7` failed.

20:47 <mangix> So is 18.06 EOL now?

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20:49 <aparcar[m]> mangix: why?

20:53 <mangix> Just wondering.

20:55 <f00b4r0> wasn't that announced?

20:55 <f00b4r0> yes it was:

20:55 <f00b4r0> "The current old-stable version series of OpenWrt is 18.06, with v18.06.9 being the last service release of the series. It was released on 9 December 2020. No new releases in this series are expected."

20:55 <f00b4r0> from the front page.

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21:06 <aparcar[m]> Heh

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21:09 <mangix> aparcar[m]: sounds like the 18.06 branch should be locked

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21:13 <mangix> rmilecki: trying to add support for a linksys device. The factory image has some header beginning with GOLF. Any idea about that?

21:16 <rmilecki> mangix: i don't recall any format using GOLD

21:16 <rmilecki> *GOLF

21:17 <rmilecki> mangix: provide me more bytes, please

21:17 <rmilecki> hexdump -C -n 1024 foo.img

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21:19 <mangix> rmilecki: https://gist.github.com/neheb/a4c073998c854e8b760059ca5db3456f

21:19 <rmilecki> mangix: no, i don't recognize that :(

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21:20 <mangix> I was able to generate a similar image with KERNEL := kernel-bin | lzma | fit lzma $$(KDIR)/image-$$(firstword $$(DEVICE_DTS)).dtb but I have no idea about this GOLF thing

21:20 <aparcar[m]> mangix: out of my power

21:22 <rmilecki> mangix: later part - that kernel@1 - looks familiar- it's u-boot and DTS

21:22 <rmilecki> scripts/mkits.sh - but you probably saw that

21:22 <guidosarducci> aparcar[m]: Would like your input: what's involved in adding a build-system dependency and rolling out updates to buildbots, etc? Is it preferred/easier to add a host build that handles all that automatically? For my PR #3855, I add tools/elfutils to get libelf and libdw.

21:23 <Hauke> mangix: you could try to look into the vendor upgrade application

21:23 <mangix> rmilecki: yeah I saw that. I think this is similar to the Linksys E8450 but I don't see any factory images

21:23 <Hauke> open it with ghidra and then search for GOLF

21:24 <mangix> dango has some frankenstein instructions on the e8450: https://github.com/dangowrt/linksys-e8450-openwrt-installer

21:35 <mangix> hmm funny

21:35 <mangix> if I go in the bootloader directly, I don't need an image with a header

21:36 <mangix> unfortunately it gives me a lzma compressed: uncompress error 1

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21:58 <rmilecki> mangix: it's common that extra header is used by web UI only

21:59 <rmilecki> mangix: vendors often don't care to modify bootloader to understand their custom headers

22:06 <mangix> mangix: seems so.

22:06 <mangix> can't figure out what format this bootloader expects. bah.

22:07 <mangix> it seems to support both lzma and gzip

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22:16 <aparcar[m]> guidosarducci: I'll look at it

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22:17 <aparcar[m]> I can't find the PR

22:17 <xdarklight> noltari: do you have a device which requires https://git.openwrt.org/?p=openwrt/openwrt.git;a=commitdiff;h=2024547e1f71ddbf94deecc5e2789d802f748377 ? if so, I'd be happy to help replace this with kmod-owl-loader

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22:51 <aparcar[m]> anyone advise on a realtek device to buy for testing?

22:51 <aparcar[m]> ideally some kind of switch thin

22:59 <Nick_Lowe> I bought both a Netgear GS108T and GS110TPP to play with, the latter with PoE+ - there's only a pad for serial, not sure if this is better from the other manufacturers...

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23:05 <aparcar[m]> Nick_Lowe: thanks

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23:32 <guidosarducci> aparcar[m]: strange, PR #3855 is https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/3855

23:39 <aparcar[m]> guidosarducci: strange indeed, I'll catch up on that in a bit and see what i can do

23:43 <guidosarducci> aparcar[m]: thanks, opinions seem to differ on host tools vs system dependencies so I'd like to settle on a direction.

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