Lofty changed the topic of #prjmistral to: Project Mistral: Yosys (and hopefully nextpnr) on Cyclone FPGAs - https://github.com/ZirconiumX/mistral - logs: https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/prjmistral
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<Lofty> FPGA goes brrr
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<mwk> nice
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<Sarayan> That's a nice toy you have there, it would be such a shame if some reverse-engineering happened to it ;-)
<Lofty> Sarayan: there's a pamphlet saying it's for lab use only. Well, of course science happens in labs :P
<Sarayan> obviously
<Sarayan> wazzat, it doesn't look cyclone-related
<Lofty> This one is a bit simpler
<Lofty> It's not Cyclone related :P
<Lofty> It's basically a possibly-shitty Chinese FPGA
<pepijndevos> Are you actually using it as a PCIe card? Because in one image it appears to be running just sitting on your desk.
<Lofty> It is indeed just sitting on my desk
<Lofty> I have a laptop
<Lofty> Without thunderbolt
<Lofty> So that's the only way I *can* use it, really.
<pepijndevos> Sad...
<pepijndevos> Maybe Symbiotic would like to sponsor a nice desktop PC next hehe
<Lofty> I have a pretty beefy laptop
<Lofty> It's difficult to take a desktop home :P
<pepijndevos> Yea I use a laptop as well... pretty much as a desktop... but would be nice to use that juicy PCIe port
<pepijndevos> Imagine how fast you could pump data into your spreadsheets haha
<pepijndevos> although... gigabit ethernet is also okay I guess
<Sarayan> well, he could render directly into the video card memory
<Lofty> pepijndevos: there are SFP+ ports; why stop at gigabit? :P
<pepijndevos> Same reason for the PCIe, where are you going to insert the other end?
<sorear> shiny
<Sarayan> wait, is quartus lite actually doing 10 non-lp?
<Lofty> Sarayan: no, you need Quartus Pro
<Lofty> But 10 GX does not require a license!
<Sarayan> ah so you install qpro but you don't need a license to use it?
<Lofty> Sarayan: correct
<Sarayan> just between us, in case of necessity, I suspect it's not too hard to create a license
<Sarayan> haven't tried though
<Lofty> You really don't need a license ^^;
<Lofty> But for the other chips...why not :P
<Sarayan> 67.4Gb, fuck
<Lofty> You don't need all of it :P
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<awygle> Lofty: re: PCIe I bought one of those usb3 PCIe extenders for bitcoin miners so I could do PCIe work on my desk, should work for your laptop if you get interested
<Lofty> Huh, interesting
<awygle> I spent some time thinking about this because 90% of my use case for the 10gx is "10GBase PCIe NIC"
<awygle> (the other 10% is "1GBase rack switch with 10GBase upstream ports")
<sorear> hmm
<sorear> can't you buy a 10G NIC (base-T or SFP) for much less than lofty's 1200 USD fpga board
<Lofty> Quite probably
<awygle> Of course
<awygle> But you could build a 10G NIC based on the 10gx with a retail price comparable to commercially available offerings
<awygle> And it would be, though not entirely, much more programmable and better understood by non-megacorps than existing options
<awygle> (at least the above is my thesis, it'd need to be proven out ofc)
<Sarayan> why do we care about 10gx in the first place?
<awygle> i care because it gives access to 10Gbps+ SERDES at a nice price point, personally. that opens up things like PCIe 3, 10 Gbps and 40 Gbps networking, Thunderbolt and USB >3, etc.
<awygle> dunno why or if lofty cares beyond "awygle annoyed me about it a few times" :p
<Sarayan> huhu
<Sarayan> I mean I kinda care about 10lp because analogue pocket
<Sarayan> but 10gx, not sure what to do with/about it
<Sarayan> I'm not going to buy a $1200 card that's for sure :-)
<awygle> the card is expensive but the chips are almost ridiculously cheap for what they are. down to <100$ in some cases.
<awygle> at hobbyist quantities no less
<Sarayan> more like $150-$200 on digikey, but yeah, not insane
<Sarayan> what's insane is soldering it of course, but heh :-)
<awygle> mouser is much cheaper for some reason
<sorear> there are also <100$ consumer 10G NICs
<sorear> i don't have one and don't know if they suck