<chipb>
man. of course can't really give detail, but with the build system/environment, there's a good chance for regretting those words. :-)
<chipb>
the top level in general isn't necessarily bad, but subsystems can (and I suspect do) rather weird stuff coupling into the environment.
<chipb>
oh, I guess you meant more in the sense of the stuff that "isn't available", but is shipped virtually openly.
<Lofty>
chipb: we cracked open the quartus/common/devxml/ folder for example
<Lofty>
And you guys ship with symbols for some godforsaken reason :P
<chipb>
sigh. doesn't surprise me.
<chipb>
I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but thar be landmines around build configuration.
<Lofty>
I do hope you aren't planning on fixing that though
<chipb>
🤷
<chipb>
I don't work on quartus. I'm what you'd call an internal customer these days.
<chipb>
it's hard enough getting shit fixed for stuff that actually matters to my project, so I'm not likely to spend effort fighting the bug tracking system for stuff largely inconsequential to me.
<Lofty>
We also cracked like the Quartus encryption key
<Lofty>
But sssh
<Sarayan>
Lofty: They don't have much of a choice, you can't remove the names of the exported methods in shared libs
<Lofty>
I've seen it done :P
<chipb>
oh, that's all you meant by not stripping symbols? yeah, that's unlikely to ever change. have at it.
<Sarayan>
chipb: Does the fpga division care about an open souce toolchain working on the devices quartus is free for anyway?
<Sarayan>
I'd undertand if they bitched on say Arria 10, but Cyclone V/10... I don't see it
<chipb>
I suspect not, particularly if it didn't require support on their part.
<chipb>
hell, they might even contribute device info if it was mature enough. in theory, they could drop needing to develop for those parts, which are very low margin.
<chipb>
(IANA official spokesman)
<chipb>
following that, I guess it may not even be too much of a stretch to A10. but toolchain maturity would be a not-insignificant step up in effort. not that I don't think it can be done, mind you, but I personally think it'd be much more difficult.