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<aidalgol>
Wikipedia is letting me down here: is Brainfuck a simplified form of the Turing machine, or not quite?
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<aidalgol>
(Resend because of network issues and IRC's lack of an ACK): Wikipedia is letting me down here: is Brainfuck a simplified form of the Turing machine, or not quite?
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<rlavery>
I wouldn't say it's simpler than a Turing machine, but I don't think it provides any useful abstractions that a Turing machine does not.
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<pierpal>
how could a turing machine be simplified! it's the bottom of the bottom of computing. If it could be simplified we'd be using that, instead.
<aidalgol>
pierpal: There are many models of computation, all of which are equivalent, but some are easier to comprehend than others.
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<dzoe>
Would you put HTDP and SICP in recommended literature for students of "Algorithms and Data Structures" taught in Clojure?
<dzoe>
I personally have some reservations about Clojure, but I am really happy I can teach ADS at least in something LISPy and not in javascript or python as it used to be at the college. And I want to direct the students towards some scheme.
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<dTal>
dzoe: sure, why not? It's only recommended literature, some students might get some value out of them
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<bremner>
can someone with locale zh_CN.UTF-8 installed (or willing to install it) see if file->install-package works in DrRacket? I'm trying to decide if this error is debian specific
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<nisstyre>
dzoe: htdp is for people who've never programmed before
<nisstyre>
maybe The X Schemer series of books would be better
<nisstyre>
unless the class is actually a 101 intro class, then sure use htdp
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<rlavery>
Is it best practice to alphabetize your function definitions? Or does one usually just arrange them in a logical-feeling way?
<rain1>
do not alphabetize
<rlavery>
That makes me feel a little better., thanks.
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<aidalgol>
dzoe: How much of SICP would still work in Clojure, given that the language does away with cons cells?
<aidalgol>
rlavery: Yeah, group them by use, and if you find yourself starting to have large, separate groups in the same file, time to split that out into separate modules!
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