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<jaimef> is there a way to truncate an array in place? e.g. %w(1 2 3 4 5)[0..4]!
<zzak> zenspider: why you dont put your site on github is beyond me
<zzak> and i dont mean the template
<zzak> i hate having to email you patches :/
<zzak> zenspider: did you ever get the last one?
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<jaimef> slice!
<zzak> or replace!
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<dominikh> banister`sleep: somewhat delayed pong.
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<whitequark> parser 1.3, with source rewriting support! http://whitequark.org/blog/2013/04/26/lets-play-with-ruby-code/
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<ddfreyne> whitequark: \o/
<ddfreyne> whitequark: Does it parse and store comments as well
<ddfreyne> ?
<whitequark> ddfreyne: oh I forgot to add hooks for that
<ddfreyne> (This makes me want to write something like `go fmt`)
<whitequark> ddfreyne: the problem is with stuff like this
<ddfreyne> whitequark: Ahh, interesting. Hmmmm
<ddfreyne> So I take it you don’t parse comment at all now?
<whitequark> ddfreyne: I parse them and even store them in the parser
<whitequark> but they're not user-visible
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<ddfreyne> whitequark: No that I *need* to write a `ruby-format` but it would just be a cool project :D
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<ddfreyne> (I love the idea of go fmt)
<whitequark> ddfreyne: I'd welcome that and help you with the integration
<whitequark> so please do write it :D
<ddfreyne> hehe :)
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<ddfreyne> But first, afk to work!
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<yorickpeterse> morning
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: moo
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<gnufied> moin moin
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<injekt> moin
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: http://www.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/1d52ee/lets_play_with_ruby_code/ here, tasty clicks
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<whitequark> cowboy-yorick: I predict it will sink into oblivion.
<whitequark> nodejs is, evidently, much more fun.</rant>
* whitequark goes back to reading NFC-related standards to make his fucking phone read his fucking tags
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<cowboy-yorick> hey, my stuff also got upvotes
<whitequark> why do I even need to do this. why nothing works. I hate everything. :(
<cowboy-yorick> and got featured (a little bit) in ruby weekly
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<whitequark> cowboy-yorick: I'm not terribly excited about rubyweekly.
<whitequark> do you know which of my articles ranked the highest in RW?
<whitequark> the snarky one about ruby 2.0.
<whitequark> I mean it doesn't even make sense, deliberately, yeah, it'll be in the "FEATURED" section
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<whitequark> thank you, RW, for delivering insightful content.
* whitequark sighs
<cowboy-yorick> you wrote it ;)
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<whitequark> cowboy-yorick: so?
<cowboy-yorick> if anybody is to blame for it it is you
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<whitequark> I wrote some stuff. the part of it I value the least gets most clicks.
<cowboy-yorick> also I'm dealing with WP
<cowboy-yorick> oh boy
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<erikh> hello ruby-lang friends
<somasonic> erichmenge,
<erikh> I just released the first one of these: https://github.com/erikh/archive#testing
<somasonic> erikh,
<erikh> does anyone have any platform that's not on there, willing to test on one of the rubies listed?
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<erikh> the stat() calls in particular are a problem, it'll blow up long before it tries to do anything stupid in most of the cases I've seen
<babinho> erikh i can test it on the latest mint debian(testing) if you want
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<erikh> that would be great!
<erikh> babinho: I need to head to bed, been at this for close to 20 hours straight today
<erikh> but if you do run into issues, can you post them on the tracker?
<darix> erikh: uhm.... are really *all* those gems listed in the gemspec needed for running the testsuite?!
<erikh> darix: no, but they're needed to run guard and generate documentation
<darix> erikh: well... ping me after you caught some sleep
<injekt> oh come on, that's not a LOT of gems nowadays
<erikh> injekt: hey sexy
<injekt> erikh: hello beautiful
<darix> i can happily help you to test it on all OBS supported dists
<erikh> darix: that would be great, thanks!
<erikh> really great.
<darix> injekt: still unneeded stuff for just running the test suite
<darix> injekt: and some things i dont have packaged yet
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<erikh> there's no way to tell a gemspec that some things are needed for testing and others aren't
<erikh> there's "development" and "not development"
<darix> erikh: but in Gemfiles there is ;)
<erikh> yeah, but yeah
<erikh> I'm lazy
<erikh> anyhow, need to beg FB nerds and then I'm out
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<GarethAdams> erikh: Finished tests in 565.812983s, 0.0177 tests/s, 1.2672 assertions/s. 10 tests, 717 assertions, 0 failures, 0 errors, 0 skips
<GarethAdams> erikh: OS X 10.7.5 // 1.9.3
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<babinho> erikh: mint debian 2.0.0-p0 | Finished tests in 233.321367s, 0.0429 tests/s, 3.0730 assertions/s.
<babinho> erikh: mint debian 1.9.3-p392 | Finished tests in 197.013921s, 0.0508 tests/s, 3.6393 assertions/s.
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<yorickpeterse> erikh: :D
<yorickpeterse> an archive API that doesn't make me want to stab my eyes out
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<yorickpeterse> Some time ago somebody made a better alternative to the Gist CLI in Ruby, does anybody know the name of said Gem?
<injekt> yorickpeterse: jist?
<yorickpeterse> that name sounds so gross
<yorickpeterse> but yeah, that was the one
<injekt> jizzt
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<mbj> whitequark: So you finished the unparser already?
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: https://codeclimate.com/github/whitequark/parser nice score bro
<yorickpeterse> 0.0 GPA
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<gjaldon> nice
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<mbj> yorickpeterse: I'd bet this metric is cosmetic in this case ;)
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<yorickpeterse> most of code climate seems pretty pedantic if you'd ask me
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<yorickpeterse> it's an ok tool but I wouldn't really bet my money on it
<mbj> yorickpeterse: look here http://status.datamapper.org/
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<mbj> yorickpeterse: We have lots of 4.0, but we do not target codeclimate, we use lots of metric tools and most of the code ends up in being 4.0 once we activate codeclimate.
<ddfreyne> What does GPA mean?
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<mbj> yorickpeterse: you missed a message, the following is a repost.
<mbj> yorickpeterse: We have lots of 4.0, but we do not target codeclimate, we use lots of metric tools and most of the code ends up in being 4.0 once we activate codeclimate.
<injekt> ddfreyne: something point average probably
<injekt> ddfreyne: grade?
<mbj> I think it is a valuable tool, but for a tool such as parser other metrics are far more important.
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<flori> so, the most interesting classes get an F?
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<zzak> i dont always grade my code, but when i do get all Fs
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<ddfreyne> I get 5 F’s followed by 5 U’s
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<banisterfiend> anyone here use emacs and coffeescript?
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<mbj> banisterfiend: Maybe you should search for a channel named coffee-lang ?
<mbj> and repost there ;)
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<banisterfiend> mbj: i did that first :)
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<mbj> banisterfiend: hah ;)
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<whitequark> mbj: unparser? nah
<whitequark> didn't work on it at all
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<akahn> I want to write a web service that receives streaming data -- what framework or tool should I use for this?
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<mbj> whitequark: Just saw "ruby rewrite" and thought you already had somethign like this.
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<spike|spiegel> akahn: not rails :)
<akahn> yeah, I was wondering if this is possible with sinatra, or rack at all
<spike|spiegel> I'd not touch anything ruby at all
<spike|spiegel> (for streaming)
<yxhuvud> I'm not certain why you would want a regular http server for that at all - they tend to be very focused at the request-response cycle.
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<herbalist_> hello
<herbalist_> can someone help me?
<whitequark> herbalist_: explain your problem.
<herbalist_> i have this
<herbalist_> def account.add_number #your code here end account.add_number
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<herbalist_> and i need to write expression that adds two numbers
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<whitequark> I guess this is homework
<herbalist_> something like that
<herbalist_> beginner exercises
<herbalist_> when i write "number=2,3" it says that is 23 not 2 and 3
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<mbj> herbalist_: I'd suggest to try for yourself
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<mbj> herbalist_: You'll learn faster if you go slower with the basics ;)
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<herbalist_> i tryed so many things and i never can get 2 and 3, its always 23, 2 or 3
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<herbalist_> i dont have ideas anymore
<spike|spiegel> then sleep
<herbalist_> :)
<herbalist_> id like help rather
<gjaldon> herbalist_: what are you trying to get to?
<gjaldon> your expected result is '2 and 3' from your account.add_number(2,3)?
<banisterfiend> herbalist_: you tried so many things, but did you even follow a basic ruby tutorial or read the first few chapters of a ruby book?
<herbalist_> it was excersise in my tutorial
<banisterfiend> herbalist_: it's like absolute basic ruby that will be covered everywhere in the introductory material
<herbalist_> i finished first few things
<herbalist_> and now came to that
<herbalist_> A method that does nothing is useless. How about a method to add two numbers? Here is a method to add numbers. Can you now write an expression to add 2 and 3 in the code editor?. Click on run button when complete and read the summary of this exercise.
<herbalist_> def account.add_number
<herbalist_> and im supposed to write my code below that line, before end
<herbalist_> i wrote "number=2,3
<gjaldon> that's basic addition, herbalist_
<gjaldon> how do you add 2 numbers in ruby, herbalist_?
<athaeryn> (or how do you add two numbers, period)
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<herbalist_> not sure
<gjaldon> just as athaeryn points out, it's the same way you do it everywhere
<herbalist_> am i supposed to add, number = (2, 3) ?
<athaeryn> Ruby is really simple and expressive and awesome that way. :)
<gjaldon> just do addition
<whitequark> is there a language where you can't do addition with infix or postfix notation
<whitequark> (and by postfix I mean RPN)
<herbalist_> wait, what i was just supposed to do 2 + 3
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<herbalist_> i thought it wants me to write 2 and then 3
<athaeryn> whitequark: whitespace ;)
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<whitequark> athaeryn: esoteric don't count
<athaeryn> whitequark: gah, fine. I was talking about how ruby just returns the last expression, so you can literally just write '2 + 3' if that's what you want your function to do.
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<whitequark> athaeryn: ah.
<athaeryn> whitequark: though there may be other languages like that, idk
<whitequark> athaeryn: lisp, ocaml, haskell
<whitequark> or, just ml generally
<athaeryn> for some reason I expected lisp to be in that list...
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<ericwood> lithp
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<whitequark> ericwood: why do you call it dat
<whitequark> I don't get the joke if any
<ericwood> it's saying "lisp" with an actual lisp
<ericwood> "lithhp"
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<ericwood> I'm funny, damnit!!!!
<Mon_Ouie> A lisp is a speech disorder as well as a programming language
<yorickpeterse> in which Yorick finds out how awesome clang error reporting is (this is only the beginning): http://showterm.io/4b21aaa163dc8ac706aa1
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<jkline> I have a gemspec file with Gem::Specification.new do |spec| … etc. I would like to load that file in irb and inspect the specification object. How can I do that?
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<ddfreyne> jkline: Gem::Specification.load('blah.gemspec')
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<erikh> babinho: thanks for testing for me!
<erikh> yorickpeterse: hehe
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<jkline> spec = Gem::Specification.load('/full-path/to/blah.gemspec'). Thanks ddfreyne
<babinho> erikh: no problem, had extra time to help :)
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<ddfreyne> zzak: Did you switch to Mac OS X?
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<zzak> ddfreyne: not fully, i still have my linux desktop
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<zzak> but im setting it up so i can work remotely too, esp when traveling
<zzak> the mba was a no-brainer for that
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<zzak> it just doesnt compare to a 16gig quad core workstation with linux tho
<ddfreyne> I’ve been meaning to give a Linux desktop (or laptop) a try, but it hasn’t been a success yet.
<zzak> i built mine for around $500
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<zzak> thats with additional ram and vga
<zzak> so you can go cheaper and nice part about building is its easy/cheap to upgrade
<zzak> ddfreyne: are you going to arrrrcamp?
<ddfreyne> zzak: When’s that?
* ddfreyne googles
<zzak> october
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<ddfreyne> zzak: I still live in Ghent, but I’m moving to Berlin on May 20th, so no
<zzak> :(
<ddfreyne> I haven’t been to arrrrcamp in a few years… I attended the beginning though (and even gave talks) when it was free
<ddfreyne> But once it became paid, I couldn’t really afford going anymore (and my employer wouldn’t pay for it)
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<zzak> ive never been!
<ddfreyne> Ghent is a really cool city though :)
<ddfreyne> ask khaase!
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<zzak> hes lame
<zzak> theres probably another conference that week ive never heard of
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<ddfreyne> I’ve never been to a paid Ruby conference!
<ddfreyne> But I suppose that I’ll get the chance in berlin :D
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<rue> No, all the good ones are on the other side of the wall.
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<erikh> zzak: you can get 16GB retina laptops these days
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<zzak> erikh: but i dont want to lug around a $2k laptop that weighs 5 pounds either
<erikh> they're actually quite light
<erikh> and 5lbs, what are you, an insect?
<erikh> I think my backpack is heavier than the laptop
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<zenspider> zzak: what talk would you like me to do at windy city rails? I need ideas
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<zzak> erikh: what is this a school for ants?
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<geopet> Hello!
<geopet> I have a simple, and silly question about Rdoc formatting.
<erikh> zzak: they can lift a thousand times their body weight.
<erikh> zzak: laptops for ants!
<geopet> I want to reference a method in another class, is there a simple way of doing that?
<erikh> geopet: Foo#method
<erikh> *should* work. I haven't had issues with it as far as I can remember.
<geopet> erikh: When I `rdoc -o` I'm not getting a link to that method. I'm assuming that's only because I'm not producing the rdoc for all the doc files, right?
<erikh> probably
<zzak> zenspider: im probably not going since cfp is closed, but ill watch the recordings
<geopet> so if I did something like JSON#pretty_generate in my doc file then that will link to the pretty_generate method in the JSON class when the full documentation is built?
<erikh> if you've provided docs for that method as well
<r0bglees0n> geopet: no, because JSON is outside your project and in the stdlib.
<erikh> ^
<geopet> Ah!
<geopet> I should explain… I'm trying to do a small change to some ruby-lang documentation.
<geopet> But thank you for your help. :D
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<zzak> zenspider: talk about how you manage all those projects at once
<zzak> geopet: awesome!
<zzak> geopet: yeah just do something like
<zzak> rdoc -o ppdocs lib/pp* ext/json*
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<geopet> zzak: Thought I'd do that PP update today while I had the time and figured I'd remark on JSON#pretty_generate while I was at it. :)
<geopet> Oh!
<geopet> That's perfect. Thank you!
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<zzak> rdoc only knows about stuff you give it when generating
<zzak> if that makes sense
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<geopet> zzak: That was totally the command I needed. Thank you!
<zenspider> catching up...
<geopet> It was taking a rather long time to generate the rdoc for all of the ruby documentation. :)
<zenspider> to answer your implicit question
<zzak> geopet: np
<jkline> I'm building rpm packages using gem2rpm as my own user. The resulting rpm installs into my home directory because it uses a base-dir from Gem.dir, which is in my home directory. Is there a way to ask Gem for the system gem directory without asking as root?
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<zenspider> jkline: % ruby -rubygems -e 'p Gem.dir' # => "/Library/Ruby/Gems/1.8"
<zenspider> do you have a GEM_HOME env set?
<zzak> zenspider: yeah probably makes a better blog post, but i think for a talk, itd be more interesting to hear stories and emotions
<zenspider> *nod*
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<jkline> $ ruby1.9 -rubygems -e 'p Gem.dir' # => "/home/jkline/.gem/ruby/1.9.1"
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<jkline> $ echo ":$GEM_HOME:" # => ::
<jkline> $ sudo ruby1.9 -rubygems -e 'p Gem.dir' # => "/usr/local/share/gems"
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<zenspider> jkline: that looks like a pathing issue to me. are you sure they're the same ruby1.9?
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<zenspider> or it is one of those linux dogma things?
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<jkline> zenspider: yes, they are the same ruby1.9, and I get the same results when I directly call /usr/bin/ruby1.9
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<jkline> what is a "linux dogma thing"?
<zenspider> they like to fuck with rubygems because it doesn't fit in their tiny mindset of how software should work
<zenspider> so they make it not self-updatable, and use different paths, etc.
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<jkline> zenspider: so you are saying that whoever packages ruby1.9 made the Gem gem behave differently per user?
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<jkline> if I use /usr/bin/ruby1.8 I get Gem.dir = /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8 both as root and jkline
<jkline> ruby1.8 uses Gem::VERSION=1.8.11, ruby1.9 uses Gem::VERSION 1.8.23
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<geopet> zzak: Would you like me to ask questions in the documenting-ruby repo issue I created, or here? I don't want to add noise where it isn't wanted.
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<zzak> geopet: the issue
<zzak> im leaving in a few
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<zzak> or send me an email zachary@zacharyscott.net
<geopet> zzak: Will do. Thanks!
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