apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p0: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p392) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<cored> 1942783
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<zenspider> oh. then this takes milliseconds
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<zenspider> 0.123s on ruby 2
<cored> sorry that's not the number
<cored> but it's quite near
<cored> this is the actual number 1990593
<cored> found this regarding of palindrome generation http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/97752/generating-numeric-palindromes
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<zenspider> cored: so generating all of them up to 10^8-1 and then testing 0 to 1990593 takes 2.62s, it'd be quicker if I were working against the smaller ranges
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<cored> :-O
<cored> nice
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<eam> if you're printing them, surely it's faster to just build the strings?
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<zenspider> cored: can I get the input file?
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<lewis1711> I am trying to open an external process but leave it open until I close it manually. https://gist.github.com/lewis1711/5486243 am I using the wrong open method?
<lewis1711> right now it flashes on screen then exits straight away
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<postmodern> style question
<postmodern> if you want to load data in sub-classes, based on the class-name
<postmodern> would you use self.inherited, or methods that do @data ||= ...
<postmodern> self.inherited would just call const_set
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<rue> postmodern: Latter, probably.
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<injekt> wow that palindrome issue lasted quite some time
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<andrewvos> injekt: Teah!
<andrewvos> Yeah*
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<savagecroc> given a day, how can i find the date at the start of that week?
<savagecroc> Date.commercial(calculated_start_datetime.year, calculated_start_datetime.strftime('%W').to_i ,1).to_time << i ddi this
<savagecroc> with the active record extension, but it does't work for 1st of jan
<andrewvos> savagecroc: With a loop and subtraction?
<savagecroc> hmmmmm, yeah
<andrewvos> savagecroc: There is a day of week property
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<andrewvos> Get that and do now-7.days
<judofyr> savagecroc: d - d.wday ?
<judofyr> >> require 'date'; d = Date.today; d - d.wday
<eval-in> judofyr => #<Date: 2013-04-28 ((2456411j,0s,0n),+0s,2299161j)> (http://eval.in/18144)
<judofyr> then +1 if Mon is start-of-week
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<savagecroc> Mon is the start of the week
<savagecroc> why do you have to +1 to it :/
<savagecroc> thats a very nice solution
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<savagecroc> whoever implemented sunday as the first day of the week in unix should be shot
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<judofyr> >> require 'date'; d = Date.today; d - d.wday + 1
<eval-in> judofyr => #<Date: 2013-04-29 ((2456412j,0s,0n),+0s,2299161j)> (http://eval.in/18145)
<judofyr> ta-da!
<crudson> savagecroc: note that is similar to how active support does it http://apidock.com/rails/ActiveSupport/CoreExtensions/Date/Calculations/beginning_of_week
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<savagecroc> ohhhh crudson
<savagecroc> very nice
<savagecroc> this is actually in a rails project.. so i can use all of those
<crudson> savagecroc: sweet
<savagecroc> judofry: your solution is very simple .. much better than mine .. lol
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<dfdf> !hello 0xdfdf is new to Ruby.. learning with # irb.. any hints pls.. or tricks maybe that we can try..
<dfdf> with some MySQL pls.. we've got that running on osx..
<dfdf> !1337 is So boring..
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<dfdf> !hello
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<dfdf> !wøøf
<dfdf> ..::!!wøøf!!::..
<dfdf> ....::!!wøøf!!::....
<dfdf> ....::!!miau!!::....
<dfdf> ..::!!wøøf!!::..
<dfdf> !wøøf
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<andrewvos> whaaat
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<ndrst> ohai
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<andrewvos> ohai
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<yorickpeterse> basecamp
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<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: Sober?
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<yorickpeterse> never was drunk to begin with
<andrewvos> oh
<yorickpeterse> I do have to celebrate queen's day in a bit so I'll probably get at least tipsy
<andrewvos> Queens day?
<andrewvos> Koninginnedag?
<yorickpeterse> yeah
<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: Start off with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkXxQL-nyQw
<andrewvos> Are you going to peddle your wares like gypsy?
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<yorickpeterse> wat
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<injekt> wat
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<andrewvos> wat
<andrewvos> "The vrijmarkt is a nationwide or free market. Koninginnedag is the one day of the year that the Dutch government permits sales on the street without a permit and without the payment of value added tax."
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<yorickpeterse> yup
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<yorickpeterse> oh sweet, being in the Euruko shortlist means a free ticket
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<_KGBot_> Again, from peggy.torservers.net:9001.. Greetings..
<judofyr> hey _KGBot_ :)
<_KGBot_> judofyr: howzit..
<_KGBot_> We're brand spanking new eager Ruby student.. Sir..
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<_KGBot_> With some MySQL pls.. We've got it on the FreeBSD 9.0 server as well as the osx 10.6 dev mac..
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<_KGBot_> First problem.. WTF about these annoying 'read-only' files in the working/directory..
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<_KGBot_> !bye
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<GarethAdams> that _KGBot_ guy spent all day trolling #rubyonrails yesterday, sometimes called fcuktard
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<gnufied> nice
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<gnufied> to keep the party lively we need all sort of people (and bots)
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<zzak> hi!
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<injekt> zzak: hi!
<zzak> injekt: good morning!
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<cored> injekt: hi
<cored> injekt: I did all the zenspider suggestions yesterday and I got the new version running in 1 second
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<cored> injekt: whitequark mention yesterday something regarding jvm warm up
<cored> injekt: do you know something about how to do it?
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<injekt> cored: you're not using jruby are you?
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<cored> injekt: sorry wasn't here
<cored> injekt: I wanted to test with jRuby also
<cored> why ?
<cored> injekt: great thanks
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<eam> is there a good rubygem for doing subnet calculations?
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<ndrst> ipaddr in the stdlib should do the trick
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<eam> hm, what I'd like to do is unions between networks, and enumerate subnet addresses
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<spike|spiegel> you know it's just bitmasks right? a bit of something called easy math
<eam> yeah I can write it myself
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<eam> but
<eam> most platforms have something existing to reuse, I'd rather not NIH it
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<manveru> ipaddr can't do that?
<eam> doesn't seem to
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<eam> or ... maybe it does in later revisions
<eam> yeah 2.0 will =/
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<manveru> 2.0 does :P
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<manveru> well, that's what i use anyway
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<eam> unfortunately I'm stuck with 1.8.7 for this as it's what's available in the system during configuration
<manveru> then copy the 2.0 ipaddr.rb
<eam> good idea
<manveru> or at least the parts you need
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<darix> eam: ipaddress
<darix> is another
<darix> jfyi
<darix> if i recall correctly it is proposed to replace ipaddr with ipaddress in the long run
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<cbkg11> it is the bzip2_ext that cannot be loaded
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<owen1> the number of milliseconds elapsed since 1 January 1970 00:00:00 UTC.
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<athaeryn> owen1: Time.now.to_i
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<yorickpeterse> hup holland hup
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<owen1> athaeryn: thanks
<athaeryn> owen1: np
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: from a point of view of someone who *didn't* watch dhh's talk (neither interested in it much), your (that's a plural your) obsession with it is somewhat hilarious.
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<yorickpeterse> I like making fun of things
<ericwood> dhh 4 president 2016
<yorickpeterse> In particular of big "rockstars" or whatever they call themselves
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<wmoxam> yorickpeterse: I believe the technical term is "Rockstar Awesome Ninjas"
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: you're mostly making fun of yourself... as in, there isn't much difference between running around with a sign saying "node.js is the best thing since sliced bread" and "node.js is the worst shit I've ever seen"
<whitequark> but I don't care enough to argue over it
<ericwood> people are really extreme in their beliefs :\
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<ericwood> there's never any middle ground when discussing stuff
<ericwood> which annoys me to no end :\
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<whitequark> ericwood: it's ok, well, "ok" to be extreme in belief
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: correct
<yorickpeterse> that's part two: I like making fun of myself
<whitequark> ericwood: but if you just break into conversation without being asked for and hate everything... it starts to get bad
<ericwood> yep...
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: it probably makes a lot more sense once people actually meet me
<whitequark> let children play with nodejs if they want; they'll grow out of it. or not, whatever. don't stress yourself over it, it's simply pointless
<whitequark> better do something useful
<ericwood> the zealots from all sides get to be too much :\
<whitequark> ericwood: "get to be" ?
<ericwood> well, you can only listen to someone spout the node.js gospel so many times before losing your shit :P
<whitequark> LOL
<whitequark> true
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<whitequark> that's what the "no retweets" and "ignore" buttons are for :p
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<ericwood> plz retweet kthx
<whitequark> actually. I think there is something very simple you can do to unleash your hate AND keep it constructive
<ericwood> violence?
<ericwood> facepunching
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<whitequark> ericwood: "if it doesn't solve your problem, you're not using enough of it"?
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<whitequark> do you remember that "PHP is a fractal of bad design" article?
<ericwood> yeah
<ericwood> I liked it
<whitequark> it a) listed *facts*, not opinions (mostly)
<whitequark> b) made every sane reader question their will to write PHP ever again.
<yorickpeterse> facts are boring
<yorickpeterse> lets hate on stuff!
<whitequark> do this for $thingyouhate, post the link in the conversations instead of swearing, profit.
<ericwood> it was pretty well-written, the author had real PHP experience
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: b is actually false
<yorickpeterse> my previous employer dismissed it as fud
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: >sane
<ericwood> or, if you're zed, just swear a bunch and ignore people who have evidence that you're wrong :P
<yorickpeterse> touché
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<yorickpeterse> zed is this weird mix of cunt and being reasonable
<whitequark> ericwood: zed... yeah. I have a hard time understanding him
<yorickpeterse> * being a cunt
<whitequark> he actually wrote a lot of very interesting, insightful articles I re-read regularly
<yorickpeterse> I think he's mostly just tired of trying to be passive, similar to Linus
<whitequark> at the same time, it looks like he is going to literally explode from hate overflow
<whitequark> sucks to be him, probably
<ericwood> yeah
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: in Linus' case, it's not a question of being tired to be passive... he needs to maintain one of the largest OSS projects efficiently
<ericwood> I see really angry tweets from him, then a reasonable answer from someone in the replies that solves his problem or points out that it's not really a problem
<ericwood> and he ignores them
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<whitequark> that justifies certain cuts
<ericwood> I don't think I'd get along with Zed IRL
<ericwood> but Matz and I could be bffs
<yorickpeterse> not sure, at least from reading the stuff on bugs.ruby-lang.org I feel most of the MRI core team is beating around the bush too often
<yorickpeterse> though I feel that's part of my Dutch heritage looking around the corner
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<ericwood> I'm about to lose my mind writing tests
<yorickpeterse> pending "write a test or delete #{__FILE__"
<yorickpeterse> ^ biggest pet peeve of tests
<ericwood> make the test delete itself
<ericwood> this test will self-destruct in 5...4...
<ericwood> *boom*
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<yorickpeterse> it's probably the result of `rails g`, but I never use that so I'm not sure
<yorickpeterse> actually I only use it for migrations
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: ... beating the bush?
<whitequark> ericwood: (delete itself) I've seen a deprecation library which did that
<whitequark> fun
<whitequark> in the DF sense :D
<ericwood> yikes
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: "beating around the bush" means that instead of saying something directly somebody tries to find a way around it
<ericwood> is that what you kids call it these days?
<yorickpeterse> e.g. <Alice> Do you like this shirt? <Bob> (who doesn't) well...uuhh...I'm not sure, it looks ok but <etc>
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<whitequark> if we're talking about personalities here...
<whitequark> ericwood: so you've played DF, right?
<ericwood> nope, but I know enough about it to steer clear :P
<whitequark> or NetHack or any of the other roguelikes where there's no winning or there is, but it isn't to be desired
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<whitequark> I wonder which kinds of people do such games attract
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<ericwood> if someone were to write a study about that I'd read it :P
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<whitequark> I mean, it's essentially a life simulator: featureful but entirely pointless. You have to make up some kind of fun for yourself first, then achieve it...
<whitequark> most of my friends easily would disregard this game as, well... not even a game? much less something worth spending time on
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: who the hell downvoted your talk
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<ericwood> I just can't get past the UI
<whitequark> *two* talks with the "down the rabbit hole" in the title, heh
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: I have no idea
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<yorickpeterse> tbh the term "downvote" is a bit incorrect. The button initially said something like "Not really interested"
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: also do me a favour and select 10 talks you'd like to see (if you're logged in)
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<whitequark> heh, a talk with "screw X" in title was forced to be renamed, but "50 shades of MVC" is supposedly fine
<whitequark> I probably need to rant about how I find the latter personally offensive. </topic>
<yorickpeterse> There's a book called "50 sheds of gray"
<yorickpeterse> SFW
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<whitequark> sigh
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: ten would be a stretch
<yorickpeterse> eh?
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<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/YorickPeterse/kimchi there we go, Yorick goes C++
<yorickpeterse> I wonder how hard I'll end up banging my head against the wall once I start messing around with LLVM
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<whitequark> I hardly found seven.
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: use ruby-llvm!
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<yorickpeterse> meh, that defeats the purpose of learning a new language
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<spike|spiegel> you starting to learn C++? come back 10 years later.
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<yorickpeterse> spike|spiegel: I already know how to handle C so the basic stuff that I need from C++ isn't really an issue
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: rofl.
<yorickpeterse> I don't really care for template meta programming whatever, etc
<spike|spiegel> oh you poor thing
<whitequark> *without* template metaprogramming, or at least decent stdlib usage, there isn't really a point in using C++
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: I mean as in writing templates myself
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<whitequark> you could as well just do the MRI's spaghetti
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: yeah.
<yorickpeterse> reaons why I use C++ so far: 1) an actual stdlib 2) no need to fake OO using structs and prefixes and such
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<whitequark> well, C++ isn't object-oriented anyway
<yorickpeterse> as a result of 1) I can actually focus on getting something done instead of having to re-invent the wheel for everything or, *le gasp*, use Boost
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: correct, but it's a part of it
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: no, it isn't OO at all
<whitequark> it *calls* itself OO, sure
<yorickpeterse> the stdlib and such are more template-oriented if you'd call it that, but you certainly can do things that are more OO like than in raw C
<whitequark> but it misses like two of the two parts which comprise OO: encapsulation and message passing and forwarding
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<whitequark> plus a type system which gave the bad name to all of the statically typed languages for decades
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<yorickpeterse> if C had some form of a class-like system (I don't really care what way, just not prototype based) and a wider stdlib I'd be happy with that
<yorickpeterse> herp derp `typedef Person { } Person` and `Person_new(Person *self, ...)` <- fuck that noise
<spike|spiegel> like umm Obj-C?
<yorickpeterse> spike|spiegel: minus the syntax, I suppose
<yorickpeterse> \
<yorickpeterse> and minus the backslash
<eam> C stdlib is wider than ruby's yeah?
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: wat?
<spike|spiegel> so much misconceptin
<eam> certainly better than C++'s
<yorickpeterse> ehm, what?
<spike|spiegel> eam is full on troll mode :)
<judofyr> whitequark: I just rewrote SexpTemplate to use Parser: https://github.com/judofyr/sexp_template/blob/master/README.rb (the code is still messy though)
<yorickpeterse> Use case that I have: vectors/flexible arrays, whatever you'd call them
<eam> spike|spiegel: no dude
<eam> spike|spiegel: you have to use boost for anything in C++
<spike|spiegel> C lib is next to non-existant
<yorickpeterse> ^
<yorickpeterse> it's bascially stdio.h, string.h and reinventthewheel.h
<whitequark> judofyr: cool
<judofyr> whitequark: (I wrote that code 4 years ago; I just naively ported it now)
<whitequark> judofyr: though I've no idea where would you want to use this
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: s,string.h,remotecodeexecution.h,
<judofyr> whitequark: if you want macros for Ruby
<yorickpeterse> yaml.h
* yorickpeterse runs
<judofyr> it's nice if you need to generate Ruby S-exp
<judofyr> whitequark: I used it initially in Parkaby (which compiles Markaby down to ERB-style-Ruby)
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: by the way, can you do something like compound matchers in ragel?
<yorickpeterse> e.g. ...
<whitequark> judofyr: neat
<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/YorickPeterse/kimchi/blob/master/src/lexer.rl#L14 so an ivar is basically just @<lvar> but right now I have to redefine the pattenr
<whitequark> at least one of my projects is useful
<yorickpeterse> * pattern
<eam> spike|spiegel: what
<judofyr> whitequark: see the templates at the top here: https://github.com/judofyr/parkaby/blob/master/lib/parkaby/generator.rb
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: ident = alnum | '_'; ivar = '@' ident+;
<whitequark> alnum is predefined
<eam> C stdlib has string stuff, a *ton* of system stuff which ruby still doesn't have in core, math stuff, threads
<whitequark> also do yourself a favor and read the doc on ragel
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: sweeet
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<spike|spiegel> eam: you mean POSIX? or SUS?
<yorickpeterse> eam: and Ruby doesn't have math, threads, etc?
<yorickpeterse> inb4 actual threads
<whitequark> eam: examples or it didn't happen
<eam> yorickpeterse: ;-)
<eam> spike|spiegel: yes I'm including the standard stuff found in glib
<eam> glibc
<yorickpeterse> C has quite a bit but in a lot of cases it's pretty darn barebones
<eam> not an artificial spec reading of ANSI for example
<yorickpeterse> basically it's "Here's a wrench, fuck you"
<spike|spiegel> glibc != C standard lib.
<eam> but a real-world common implementation
<eam> spike|spiegel: well I disagree
<eam> you have to compare apples and apples
<yorickpeterse> I suppose C++ is "Here's a std::word<std::string>, fuck you"
<eam> and to be honest, I'd rather have glibc than just the ruby core modules
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<eam> and C++ is really really thin, if you don't include boost
<yorickpeterse> eeehh
<eam> (except that it includes C as a practical matter)
<spike|spiegel> C++ is thin?
* spike|spiegel tries to find a wall
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<yorickpeterse> I'm count 474 man entries for C++, I don
<yorickpeterse> * don't think that's thin
<yorickpeterse> (that's for everything that starts with std::)
<whitequark> eam: you do understand that the C++11 standard is 1308 page long?
<eam> I would never suggest it isn't *complex*
<eam> but there's just not a lot of ground covered by those core elements
<whitequark> >thin
<eam> it heavily leverages C for even basic system stuff
<whitequark> sigh.
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<eam> seriously, walk the headers, compare to C, you'll find entire categories of functionality missing
<eam> though it's gotten much closer with C++11
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<spike|spiegel> whitequark: umm my doc is 1314 numbered pages + inital arabic ones
<spike|spiegel> total of 1328
<yorickpeterse> can we just go back to making fun of MRI?
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<yorickpeterse> or __python__
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<whitequark> spike|spiegel: ehh N3337
<whitequark> but I counted the pdf pages
<spike|spiegel> ah little outdated draft :P
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<eam> yorickpeterse: or java -- how long ago did it gain the ability to chmod?
<eam> 2011?
<yorickpeterse> I have no idea, I don't use Java
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<spike|spiegel> NIO2 .. that's ummm 2011 I guess
<whitequark> spike|spiegel: do you have a licensed version of the standard?
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<spike|spiegel> sure, but deep pockets paid for it, not me.
<eam> does ruby 2.0 support IO.poll()?
<eam> that was a huge annoyance for me with 1.8
<eam> I had to write it myself
<whitequark> spike|spiegel: well yes of course, who in their right mind would buy the fucking standard
<spike|spiegel> governments
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<yorickpeterse> I recall a certain Russian who bought a copy of the ISO 30170 standard
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: deep pockets paid for it
<yorickpeterse> oh wait, your $WORK did I believe
<yorickpeterse> deep pockets?
<whitequark> spike|spiegel: right... I meant a person, not an organization of course
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: a nod to spike|spiegel who phrased it in a similar way.
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<yorickpeterse> ah
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<spike|spiegel> 30170 looks waaaay cheaper
<spike|spiegel> wait a min, C++ is cheaper too!
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, D (the language) looks interesting
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<spike|spiegel> you just discovered it? :)
<yorickpeterse> and god damn it, by reading Wikipedia it seems to tackle most of the stuff that I wanted to do with my My Little Programming Language
<yorickpeterse> spike|spiegel: yeah, I saw the name in the past but never really read up on It
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<yorickpeterse> * it
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<yorickpeterse> heh, by the looks of this I might just ditch C++ for D
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<spike|spiegel> ever seen a real mad man? D's author is.
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<yorickpeterse> heh, how so?
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<spike|spiegel> yorickpeterse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Bright
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<yorickpeterse> I see somebody who's smart, not a mad man
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<spike|spiegel> mad man is a complement
<yorickpeterse> right
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<egypt> is a String#hash guaranteed to be the same for the same string value, in a different object?
<egypt> that seems to be the case in my limited testing, but I need to know for sure.
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<drbrain> egypt: it is guaranteed for the duration of the process
<drbrain> String#hash from process A is not guaranteed to be the same as for process B
<egypt> drbrain: do you know if that is true for other rubies?
<drbrain> which part?
<drbrain> String#hash always returns the same value for the same string content
<egypt> the guarantee of sameness in a process
<drbrain> but older rubies (that do not have Hash DoS protection) may return the same value across ruby processes
<drbrain> if you're running a ruby that doesn't have Hash DoS protection you do not want to allow user input to hashes
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<egypt> i'm doing some expensive string generation, and i need to cache.
<egypt> someone suggested using #hash as a key for the cache
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<drbrain> use MD5 (if you don't need to worry about security) or SHA1
<egypt> that makes it even more expensive
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<drbrain> how big are these strings and how long do they take to generate?
<drbrain> do you store them to disk?
<drbrain> and what are they generated from?
<charliesome> egypt: md5 is pretty quick
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<egypt> drbrain: less than 1kB, it takes about 0.1s to generate, no i don't store to disk
<drbrain> egypt: then String#hash is fine
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<charliesome> egypt: do you store it outside the process at all?
<drbrain> since you don't seem to be saving the values across runs
<egypt> drbrain: i'm assembling x86
<egypt> charliesome: no
<charliesome> egypt: yah just use String#hash
<charliesome> though i'm curious why you'd need to use that directly?
<egypt> charliesome: as a caching mechanism. I need to know if my assembly has changed after substituting variables and re-generate if so
<egypt> but don't want the performance hit of generating when i don't need to
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