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<r0bgleeson> 18>> ?a
<eval-in> r0bgleeson => 97 (http://eval.in/16706)
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<hebertodelrio> Has anyone been successful installing ruby 2.0 with tk support using ActiveStateTcl on OS X >= 10.7?
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<bnagy> ok I have a really weird bug and I can't even frame a hypothesis
<bnagy> a hash is missing a key.
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<bnagy> f.tables.keys[2] => "gasp" but f.tables["gasp"] is nil and f.tables.has_key? "gasp" is false
<bnagy> I also checked f.tables.keys[2].hash == "gasp".hash and that they're ==
<apeiros> your key isn't what it looks to be
<apeiros> == is not relevant. eql? is
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<bnagy> ok well it's eql? too :)
<apeiros> the other way round too?
<bnagy> I thought hash mattered more, but ok
<apeiros> no, both matter
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<apeiros> hash is for the quick lookup, eql? is for verification
<bnagy> ahh other way round is false
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<bnagy> encoding?
<apeiros> no idea :)
<bnagy> ok well that should be enough, thanks :)
<apeiros> Object.instance_method(:class).bind(key).call
<apeiros> chech the class, don't get fooled by overridden .class
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<apeiros> if they're both indeed strings, then yes, encoding is one of the things I'd check
<bnagy> yeah I think I have it
<bnagy> using BinData, and it casts stuff to BinData::String
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* apeiros does the hammer dance… "can't touch this!" da da da da…
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<apeiros> did I really write "chech"? wtf? :-S
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<apeiros> bnagy: I'd file a bug report, telling them to use BinData::String < String (if applicable)
<bnagy> hm.. all his accessors seem to return the BinData class. They all have coercers ( to_s to_i ) etc but it's a bit clunky...
<bnagy> but I guess if you wanted custom fields and stuff I can't see a cleaner way to do it, off the top of my head
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<apeiros> whitequark: congrats @ parser 1.0 release
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<gnufied> ^
<gnufied> location reporting will be awesome
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<apeiros> whitequark: but the name is a bit generic, no? just plain "parser" :)
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<judofyr> apieros: and it depends on "ast" ;)
<apeiros> that sounds german :D
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<nXqd> hi guys
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<nXqd> how can I run custom task when rails precompile assets
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<judofyr> nXqd: try #rubyonrails
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: wait wait wait
<yorickpeterse> parser is stable now?
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: seems so.
<yorickpeterse> awwww shiittt son
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<yorickpeterse> Parser::Ruby19.parse('"#{10}"') # => (int 10)
<yorickpeterse> wat
<whitequark> ...
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<whitequark> fixing now
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<yorickpeterse> issue tiem
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* whitequark looks at the test_parser.rb:3943
<whitequark> that file might be a bit too long
<mbj> whitequark: hey, I'm back in office. Was two days of, a car dealers conference where a client won a price.
<mbj> whitequark: We can talk in the evening?
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<whitequark> mbj: I think so
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: fixed
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<yorickpeterse> ship it
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<yorickpeterse> uptokes!
<whitequark> upwhat
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<yorickpeterse> it's from http://www.reddit.com/r/truesweeden
<yorickpeterse> also lol at that skin
<injekt> lol at your skin
<injekt> wow wtf
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<andrewvos> what
<andrewvos> what the hello is going on with that page
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<yorickpeterse> welcome to the fun parts of Reddit
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<injekt> >> require 'yaml'; YAML.dump({})
<eval-in> injekt => (http://eval.in/16731)
<injekt> >> require 'yaml'; p YAML.dump({})
<eval-in> injekt => (http://eval.in/16732)
<injekt> Forbidden access to file `/' wut
<yorickpeterse> "--- {}\n" on 1.9
<tsion> eval-in doesn't let you access the file system, so you can't require
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<yorickpeterse> >> require 'set'; Set.new(false)
<eval-in> yorickpeterse => /execpad/interpreters/ruby-2.0.0-p0/lib/ruby/2.0.0/set.rb:91:in `do_with_enum': value must be enumerable (ArgumentError) ... (http://eval.in/16733)
<injekt> yeah you can
<yorickpeterse> it
<yorickpeterse> * it's read-only
<injekt> yeah
<injekt> so mine should still work
<tsion> I saw someone else having trouble with require the other day
<injekt> yorickpeterse: is it that on 2.0 too? Me and two others all have 2.0, out yaml output is different
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<yorickpeterse> "--- {}\n"
<yorickpeterse> (on Ruby 2)
<injekt> heh yeah
<injekt> maybe that output is the same, but the db/schema output differs :(
<injekt> damn diffs are all screwed up
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<whitequark> almost done with 2.1 support in parser
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<mbj> whitequark: that rocks!
<mbj> whitequark: You did more source maps in the meantime?
<whitequark> mbj: not a single one
<tsion> whitequark: what's new in 2.1?
<whitequark> tsion: required kwargs and kwargs without parens
<whitequark> "def foo bar:" and "def foo bar: 1"
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<injekt> man that looks messy
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<whitequark> injekt: what in particular?
<injekt> whitequark: `def foo bar:` feels really bad
<whitequark> injekt: wait for my `unseattlerb` gem
<injekt> then again I dislike method definitions with no parenthesis in general
<injekt> whitequark: :D
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<whitequark> injekt: why not add a default banner "Usage: $0 [options]" ?
<injekt> whitequark: there is a default banner
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<whitequark> oh
<injekt> exactly that too
<whitequark> i need to be less lazy
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<whitequark> injekt: hm. I see
<whitequark> injekt: is there any particular reason you've a) omitted --usage b) :help is not true by default?
<whitequark> especially the latter, there isn't a valid reason a CLI utility shouldn't respond to --help.
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<injekt> whitequark: heh, I don't really want to force options on users even if they probably should be mandatory
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<injekt> but I have considered that as a change in the next version
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<whitequark> I think it would be very welcome
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<injekt> thanks for the feedback :)
<whitequark> I'll probably use slop for the rewriter harness in parser
<injekt> nice!
<whitequark> it seems small enough to add it as a dependency
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<whitequark> ok... only four pending issues! duplicate arguments, magic encoding comment, "def foo bar:", and better source maps. after that the parsing part would be complete.
<whitequark> 21 days from the gem's inception :D
<injekt> great work
<judofyr> whitequark: how are you going to handle magic encoding comments?
<whitequark> judofyr: parse it with a regexp
<whitequark> ?
<whitequark> then force_encoding the correct stuff
<judofyr> whitequark: fair enough. will it be a Node?
<whitequark> no, of course
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<whitequark> the parsed encoding would be the encoding of all strings which leave the parser
* judofyr just wonders if there should be a way to get the encoding of the file
<whitequark> and symbol literals
<judofyr> probably good enough
* whitequark shrugs
<whitequark> I guess you can call the method directly
<judofyr> yeah
<whitequark> ooooh.
<whitequark> Source::Buffer is immutable
<whitequark> I couldn't force_encoding its string
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<hebertodelrio> after compiling ruby 1.9.3 with tk support, I tried to run: require 'tk' on irb, but it crashed with the following message: called Tcl_FindHashEntry on deleted table
<hebertodelrio> Abort trap: 6
<hebertodelrio> I manage to identify the portion of tk.rb where it crashes: it is in the module TkCore. Any idea why this is happening?
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<hebertodelrio> I have OS X 10.7, ActiveStateTcl installed and running
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<hebertodelrio> when I run info patchlevel I get 8.6.0
<hebertodelrio> Somebody help?
<hebertodelrio> Is this the right channel to ask this kind of questions?
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<whitequark> theoretically
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<hebertodelrio> Thanks for the response, do you think I would have better chance on #tcl?
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<whitequark> no idea
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<hebertodelrio> I need to use a GUI, what could be the best option? Using 1.9.3 or 2.0.0
<hebertodelrio> on OS X
<whitequark> macruby? rubycocoa?
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<ericwood> JRuby + swing :D
<ericwood> ...I'll let myself out
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<darix> hebertodelrio: make a webapp
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<hebertodelrio> That is the same as calling defeat, I dont believe there is no cross platform GUI available on Ruby by default, Python has Tkinter
<hebertodelrio> I love Ruby above Python
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<hebertodelrio> I am trying to make it work.
<whitequark> theoretically, tk should work
<whitequark> for much the same reasons as it does in python
<whitequark> however, something's screwed up in OS X. *shrug* I'm using Debian.
<darix> there is also wxruby ...
<darix> hebertodelrio: and imho using a webapp is not defeat
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<hebertodelrio> wxruby is updated! In some sense webapp is defeat, since that implies using a browser to do something that it is not meant for a web browser
<imperator> wxruby, fx, shoes, qt - take your pick
<darix> hebertodelrio: with recent development ... I doubt there is much left that cant be done within a webbrowser
<darix> they even made the latest unreal engine run in it
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<hebertodelrio> What kind of plugins or libraries could be used to do ploting and scientific graphs on a webapp? What will you use to develop a webapp instead of a desktop app? Rails?
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<whitequark> darix: except that everything you do in a browser is somewhat broken
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<darix> hebertodelrio: a webframework of your choice. where are multiple libs for js and ruby to do graphs
<darix> depending where you want to render
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<darix> whitequark: and chasing cross platform gui bugs will be just as fun ;)
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<hebertodelrio> what do you mean by where do I want to render?
<whitequark> darix: did you actually write cross-platform guis?
<darix> hebertodelrio: you can send the data to the browser and render it there via js
<darix> or you can render server side and send the image
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<whitequark> because fixing a few font-related bugs is incomparable to writing everything in an environment least suitable for this kind of tasks
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<hebertodelrio> I see what you mean, is js as powerful as any of the desktop gui's frameworks? I didn't knwo
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<whitequark> hebertodelrio: it is not nearly as convenient. you have to do everything yourself, or compose parts from huge, hard to modify UI libraries
<whitequark> besides... you need to be a very good JS+HTML developer to write something maintainable
<hebertodelrio> I'm not :(
<whitequark> Ruby would, at best, be useful only for preparing the data
<hebertodelrio> I found the root of the problem with Tk in ruby-talk:395829 :) it is that Tcl/Tk 8.6 has issues with tailcall command, downgrading to 8.5 fixed the problem :)
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<whitequark> almost there! only source maps and #coding left
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<yorickpeterse> bison docs, y u so shit
<yorickpeterse> they explain quite a lot and then rush over the last bit (actually calling the parser) like it's super trivial
<whitequark> um... it is?
<whitequark> yyparse() or smth like that
<yorickpeterse> it's trivial once you know how to
<yorickpeterse> also the examples are contradicting
<yorickpeterse> in some cases yylex doesn't take arguments, sometimes it does
<yorickpeterse> in some it uses global vars (I think), etc
<whitequark> there are tons of global vars in bison
<whitequark> unless you pass some kind of an option
<yorickpeterse> well, in C++ they're at least namespaced
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<whitequark> http://rxr.whitequark.org/mri/source/parse.y#6718 how the hell is this supposed to work
<whitequark> some weird kind of duff's device
<yorickpeterse> mentions #define yylex lexer.lex
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<yorickpeterse> (7 tabs for Bison open atm)
<yorickpeterse> Ragel was surprisingly easy
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<yorickpeterse> I just wonder if this yylex() function always *must* return a single token when used with Bison
<yorickpeterse> instead of a collection
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: um
<whitequark> of course
<whitequark> that's how LALR parsing works
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<yorickpeterse> fuckit, bed tiem
<zzak> whitequark: you tried tk?
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<whitequark> zzak: hm?
<zzak> whitequark: nvm my screen must have messed up nicks for a second
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<zzak> thought you said you used the tk lib before
<zzak> anyone figure out _why's thing yet today?
<whitequark> yeah I think tk is a nice gui lib
<whitequark> for ruby at least
<zzak> whitequark: the stdlib is sort of rotting
<zzak> ive heard mention of removing it from future releases
<whitequark> zzak: tk is sort of rotting either... or at least not progressing. but it *works*. qt and gtk bindings, basically, don't
<whitequark> huh
<zzak> its a massive library
<zzak> and literally noone maintains it
<zzak> im not even sure if it works
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<whitequark> yeah... not small
<zzak> its only like 13% docod
<whitequark> the alternatives are even worse imo
<zzak> shoes?
<whitequark> it's kind of a toy
<zzak> but a fun one
<zzak> ive never had to build anything substantial with a gui
<zzak> but im sad that tk is basically abandoned
<whitequark> yup
<whitequark> I built a few GUI apps in ruby, a few years ago
<zzak> on the inside im like "lets do this!", but its so massive
<whitequark> the most advanced one was with ruby-gtk2... it's a PITA to compile. never got it to work on windows.
<zzak> nice
<zzak> green_shoes works on windows
<zzak> and nix
<zzak> uses gtk2
<whitequark> also, random segfaults, no threading support, no way to hook into the event loop...
<zzak> and decent docs on getting it to work
<zzak> yeah
<whitequark> gtk2 could have advanced in the meantime
<whitequark> not sure
<zzak> im pretty sure tk has the same problem
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<zzak> there is gtk3 now
<whitequark> don't think so
<zzak> the tk library
<whitequark> tk was specifically developed for embedding into dynamic languages
<whitequark> Tkinter works quite well for the python world
<whitequark> a lot of scientific software is written with it
<zzak> yeh, i mostly just want to build toys
<zzak> and clear up some low hanging fruit
<whitequark> qt bindings, all of them, are even harder to compile. there's some neat metamagic happening inside. also somewhat impossible to debug
<whitequark> and as usual, threading issues and segfaults.
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<whitequark> not sure if they're updated to qt4.8 or qt5. or if anyone still maintains that
<whitequark> and of course windows
<whitequark> or, rather, no windows
<zzak> if i was going to do anything with it, id only want to package something for ubuntu/debian
<whitequark> not even os x?
<zzak> nah, im selfish
<whitequark> :D
<zzak> if you want to target more then one platform, you should be using jruby
<zzak> otherwise youre going to have a bad time
<whitequark> os x is a huge PITA for cext testing, especially if you don't own a macbook...
<whitequark> I experienced that firsthand when I needed to embed webkit to ruby
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<whitequark> cext/ffi
<zzak> i couldnt get osx to boot in a vm on my APU
<whitequark> APU?
<zzak> amd's thing
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<whitequark> I guess os x isn't supposed to boot there
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<zzak> think at one point i had ML from iatkos running
<zzak> using vm player
<zzak> but it was super slow for some reason
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<whitequark> sigh... MRI's magic comment parsing code is literally insane
<whitequark> I can't understand any part of it
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<judofyr> huh. _why is back: http://whytheluckystiff.net/
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<judofyr> at least for hundred pages and a day
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<tsion> judofyr: yeah, I've been reading the stuff he's posting. I had to install a rather obscure piece of software to convert the files to pdfs
<judofyr> tsion: heh, steveklabnik is live tweeting, but it ain't the same
<tsion> judofyr: also his pdfs look a lot worse than mine for some reason
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<judofyr> ding
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<mytrile> Hey, does anyone knows if the ruby-lang.org is running jekyll based version already ?
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<judofyr> mytrile: they're very close at least
<mytrile> judofyr: thanks
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<llaskin> https://gist.github.com/llaskin/4c84b7748ad87c1cc48d why am i getting thsi error?
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<judofyr> llaskin: [] is an array
<judofyr> llaskin: use {} to create a has
<ericwood> hash
<judofyr> llaskin: [:a => 1] is the same as [{:a => 1}]
<judofyr> yes
<judofyr> hash
<judofyr> thanks ericwood :)
<llaskin> i'm an idiot
<llaskin> sorry
<llaskin> i figured it out as i asked it
<ericwood> guys guys guys _why is alive
<judofyr> ericwood: I know :D
<ericwood> I missed him
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<llaskin> can someone who understands builder better then I do help me finish this out? https://gist.github.com/llaskin/8890f310a44e2687aaa2
<llaskin> i'm confused
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<whitequark> mbj: I see Travis building mutant :)
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<whitequark> ok... parser 1.1 supports 1.8, 1.9, 2.0 and 2.1 syntaxes, plus magic encoding for >=1.9, plus correct duplicate argument detection, and some more bugfixes
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<mbj> whitequark: Yeah, dkubb does my job in making master green. I dont have the time.
<mbj> whitequark: I'm in contact with the guys behind coveralls, maybe they'd like to add mutant to their stack. Hopefully I can get some sponsoring ;) My current clients work is boring.
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<whitequark> mbj: would be neat
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<mbj> whitequark: I took a bad clients job, underestimated the stupid work, that is the reason I dont have any time for opensource anymore.
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<whitequark> mbj: happens. Any estimate of when you're done with it?
<mbj> whitequark: Hopefully next week, but I already thought that a week ago ;)
<mbj> whitequark: My opensource activity dropped to "near zero".
<mbj> whitequark: And yeah, that happens ;)
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<whitequark> mbj: are you up to discussing parser internals?
<whitequark> there are basically three interesting things left. source maps, RP compat and rewriting
<whitequark> after that it is complete as a project
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<mbj> whitequark: I have to move home, 20 min and we can start discussion
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<whitequark> good
<mbj> whitequark: At least I think I helped the parser with our discussions ;)
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<mbj> whitequark: BTW do you feel (also) ruby is missing a primitive binary array datatype?
<mbj> whitequark: Something like erlangs binary primitive?
<whitequark> ByteArray, indeed
<whitequark> the current direction seems to be in favor of using Strings with BINARY encoding
<whitequark> "foo".b in 2.0, etc
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<mbj> whitequark: Yeah, but strings to not support bitwise operations
<mbj> I'd like to have a 16bit buffer xor 16bit buffer ;)
<mbj> A fixed with byte array would help me a lot ;)
<whitequark> I think this is simply out of scope for a generic Ruby impl
<whitequark> Foundry provides such primitives ;)
<mbj> whitequark: hehe
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<mbj> whitequark: I'd love to have more support for such low level operations in ruby.
<mbj> Falling back to bc to do my binary calculus feels so oldschool...
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<yxhuvud> seems like it would be vastly ineffective compared to a native solution as well. hard to beat C for binary shenanigans.
<whitequark> yxhuvud: hard to beat C? hah. it's because C doesn't bother to give you a correct result
<lianj> there is always the option to attach something via ffi
<whitequark> a comparison with Haskell (Habit, to be precise) or some ML dialect would be more correct
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<mbj> yxhuvud: I just need a nice console to do adhoc calculus with fixed size buffers and binary operators.
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<yxhuvud> whitequark: I was more thinking of vector operations etc.
<mbj> yxhuvud: I think ruby will be faster than my neurons ;)
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<whitequark> yxhuvud: well, nothing prevents LLVM from autoparallelizing loops when you execute some Haskell code with GHC?
<yxhuvud> whitequark: sure, but this is not ghc. I guess the jvm may manage something similar as well, but I *really* don't expect that out of mri..
<whitequark> yxhuvud: no, hotspot is most certainly not going to do that.
<whitequark> neither will v8
<mbj> whitequark: Rubinius seems to have a ByteArray, nice.
<whitequark> hm, wait, maybe I'm wrong...
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<whitequark> Open ;)
<yxhuvud> well, I did write 'may manage' after all, indicating I thought it possible but didn't really knwo.
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<mbj> whitequark: moving home, back in 20min.
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<andrewvos> ergh
<andrewvos> Can someone give me the tldr on _why please?
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<andrewvos> Like what's new
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<tsion> andrewvos: he's been posting documents on http://whytheluckystiff.net/ in an odd printer format
<tsion> http://scott-olson.org/_why/ << here's the ones from today in pdf in order
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<tsion> also some previous ones in /older/
<andrewvos> tsion: I am on a phone with Edge only :/
<andrewvos> Anything interesting?
<tsion> nothing really mindblowing yet
<andrewvos> meh
<tsion> there's lots of hidden stuff apparently
<tsion> all over the place, hints on youtube and random sites
<tsion> brb
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<injekt> bitches
<injekt> andrewvos: did you go to the github drinkup?
<andrewvos> injekt: no I drank with real friends :)
<injekt> andrewvos: SCOLD
<andrewvos> hehe
<andrewvos> injekt: You didn't
<injekt> andrewvos: how do you know?!
<andrewvos> injekt: I am outside your window
<injekt> lies, I dont have windows
<andrewvos> watching
<andrewvos> breathing
<andrewvos> hah
<andrewvos> injekt: hire me?
<andrewvos> I need a new job
<injekt> andrewvos: dont you enjoy your job?
<andrewvos> Maybe I should have gobe to the drinkip
<andrewvos> Gahh iphone keyboard
<injekt> haha
<andrewvos> :)
<injekt> drinkip, when you're drunk and fallasleep for a short while
<andrewvos> I do not enjoy it
<injekt> aw
<andrewvos> :(
<injekt> I'm looking around for work too right now, I'd love to hire you if we were a little further down the line
<andrewvos> You want work in London? I can get you an interview.
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<injekt> where? and not really, I'm looking more remote. I dont want to move closer to London and I dont want to travel every day
<injekt> if you're talking about your company, no thanks :D
<andrewvos> A friend has an agency. They are the best developers I have worked with. You would fit in.
<injekt> heh
<andrewvos> Nah not my company. I wouldn't wish a large company on anyone :)
<injekt> :P
<andrewvos> I want to work for a medium sized company next
<injekt> I've been tempted to move to vancouver again or san fran lately
<andrewvos> Why?
<injekt> lots of work from companies that have approached me but dont want remote workers
<andrewvos> Where are you? Forgot already
<injekt> Basingstoke, in Hampshire
<andrewvos> Far out
<injekt> is that like "far out, dude" or "far out, way away from london"
<andrewvos> Is that London or outside? I am on my phone s can't look
<andrewvos> The latter :)
<injekt> haha you dont know where hampshire is? bro
<andrewvos> I am an African!
<injekt> do you know where Reading is?
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<injekt> Andover, Fleet, Hook, any of those?
<andrewvos> Yeah! Saw a 12 year old smoking a cigarette there once. Not the best place Reading :)
<injekt> aye, I live about 20min from there
<andrewvos> Don't know the others
<injekt> dang, such a londoner
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<andrewvos> :)
<injekt> it's about 50min south of central london
<andrewvos> <3 London
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<injekt> it's ok
<andrewvos> Oh ok
<injekt> I grew up there for a while but in a shitty area
<andrewvos> My girlfriend is from Essex :)
<injekt> hahaha
<andrewvos> Do you know Sidcup?
<injekt> yes
<andrewvos> Is it close?
<injekt> I lived in greenwich for a while
<injekt> is what close?
<andrewvos> Sidcup
<injekt> close to what? lol
<injekt> me?
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<andrewvos> Yeah. You said south
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<injekt> oh no, way south. Way outside london
<andrewvos> Oh ok hehe
<injekt> 50min was by train
<injekt> :D
<andrewvos> I couldn't point myself out on a map :)
<injekt> haha
<injekt> you know where portsmouth is right?
<andrewvos> Living in Canary Wharf now, which is kind of south
<andrewvos> hah
<andrewvos> Nope
<injekt> yup my uncle lives there
<injekt> wow wtf have you even ventured out of london
<andrewvos> Oh yeah where?
<injekt> not sure exactly he's an asshole I dont talk to him
<injekt> but the area he lives I'm told is super nice
<andrewvos> Umm yeah Bath and around Milton Leynes are
<andrewvos> area*
<andrewvos> Canary Wharf is amazing
<andrewvos> Love it
<injekt> hah, what about southampton?
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<andrewvos> No not beenthere but heard of it
<andrewvos> Oh i've been all around Essex too
<andrewvos> It is quite nice in some areas
<injekt> essex makes me want to punch people
<injekt> because essex people
<andrewvos> Yeah true
<injekt> I'm sure your girl is great but man, asfesasdfgfd
<andrewvos> But they're alright
<andrewvos> haha
<andrewvos> yeah
<andrewvos> agreed
<andrewvos> Move to London :)
<andrewvos> Have you been to Osterley?
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<andrewvos> Or Brentford
<andrewvos> Same thing
<injekt> yeah brentford went there not long ago
<injekt> my buddy supports the team
<injekt> I went to fulham a few weeks ago too
<injekt> I go to london a lot, I lived in south london many years ago
<andrewvos> Oh and did you watch the funeral?
<injekt> no
<andrewvos> South London I try to stay away from. Too many South Africans :)
<injekt> heh, I lived in brixton
<injekt> when I was younger
<injekt> for a little while
<andrewvos> Nooo
<andrewvos> What a shithole
<injekt> can't even explain how bad it was
<injekt> I still have the scars lol
<andrewvos> It looked the same after the riots :)
<injekt> I lived in a little place called myatts field
<andrewvos> Maybe it looked cleaner after
<injekt> "Myatt's Field estate has been described as a place that not even the devil would walk through because young people living there at the estate were terrorising people"
<injekt> the bbc does it justice
<andrewvos> Anything south of the river = not for me
<injekt> aye
<andrewvos> I lived in Wandsworth
<andrewvos> Hate that plac
<andrewvos> e
<injekt> not been there
<injekt> ah west
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<andrewvos> Near Clapham
<injekt> yeah
<injekt> that's a shit hole too
<andrewvos> Indeed
<andrewvos> I work in Brentford :(
<injekt> :D
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<andrewvos> injekt: When will it be waarm again
<andrewvos> :(
<injekt> andrewvos: we had about 20min of sun today
<injekt> then hailstones
<injekt> then thunder
<andrewvos> I miss South African weather
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<injekt> then weather.sample
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<zenspider> andrewvos: very nice weather... but then while you're appreciating the weather walking down the sidewalk, you step on a puff adder and DIE.
<andrewvos> injekt: Hailstobes? I guess I'm lucky in London
<injekt> heh
<injekt> yeah you get the fumes
<zenspider> it's a lovely dry and grey here today :)
<andrewvos> zenspider: Temperature?
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<injekt> fuck you°C
<andrewvos> Yeah no heathen fahrenheit shit plz
<andrewvos> We are civilised
<injekt> quite.
<injekt> Time to entertain the gf
<injekt> g'night
<andrewvos> night
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<zenspider> andrewvos: ~11C
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<zenspider> hoe version 3.6.0 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/04/hoe-version-3-6-0-has-been-released.html
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<zenspider> flog version 4.0.0 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/04/flog-version-4-0-0-has-been-released.html
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<zenspider> minitest version 4.7.2 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/04/minitest-version-4-7-2-has-been-released.html
<zenspider> RubyInline version 3.12.2 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2013/04/RubyInline-version-3-12-2-has-been-released.html
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