<tsion>
eval-in doesn't let you access the file system, so you can't require
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<yorickpeterse>
>> require 'set'; Set.new(false)
<eval-in>
yorickpeterse => /execpad/interpreters/ruby-2.0.0-p0/lib/ruby/2.0.0/set.rb:91:in `do_with_enum': value must be enumerable (ArgumentError) ... (http://eval.in/16733)
<injekt>
yeah you can
<yorickpeterse>
it
<yorickpeterse>
* it's read-only
<injekt>
yeah
<injekt>
so mine should still work
<tsion>
I saw someone else having trouble with require the other day
<injekt>
yorickpeterse: is it that on 2.0 too? Me and two others all have 2.0, out yaml output is different
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<yorickpeterse>
"--- {}\n"
<yorickpeterse>
(on Ruby 2)
<injekt>
heh yeah
<injekt>
maybe that output is the same, but the db/schema output differs :(
<injekt>
damn diffs are all screwed up
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<whitequark>
almost done with 2.1 support in parser
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<mbj>
whitequark: that rocks!
<mbj>
whitequark: You did more source maps in the meantime?
<whitequark>
mbj: not a single one
<tsion>
whitequark: what's new in 2.1?
<whitequark>
tsion: required kwargs and kwargs without parens
<whitequark>
"def foo bar:" and "def foo bar: 1"
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<injekt>
man that looks messy
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<whitequark>
injekt: what in particular?
<injekt>
whitequark: `def foo bar:` feels really bad
<whitequark>
injekt: wait for my `unseattlerb` gem
<injekt>
then again I dislike method definitions with no parenthesis in general
<injekt>
whitequark: :D
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* whitequark
looks at slop
<whitequark>
injekt: why not add a default banner "Usage: $0 [options]" ?
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<whitequark>
injekt: hm. I see
<whitequark>
injekt: is there any particular reason you've a) omitted --usage b) :help is not true by default?
<whitequark>
especially the latter, there isn't a valid reason a CLI utility shouldn't respond to --help.
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<injekt>
whitequark: heh, I don't really want to force options on users even if they probably should be mandatory
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<injekt>
but I have considered that as a change in the next version
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<whitequark>
I think it would be very welcome
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<injekt>
thanks for the feedback :)
<whitequark>
I'll probably use slop for the rewriter harness in parser
<injekt>
nice!
<whitequark>
it seems small enough to add it as a dependency
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<whitequark>
ok... only four pending issues! duplicate arguments, magic encoding comment, "def foo bar:", and better source maps. after that the parsing part would be complete.
<whitequark>
21 days from the gem's inception :D
<injekt>
great work
<judofyr>
whitequark: how are you going to handle magic encoding comments?
<whitequark>
judofyr: parse it with a regexp
<whitequark>
?
<whitequark>
then force_encoding the correct stuff
<judofyr>
whitequark: fair enough. will it be a Node?
<whitequark>
no, of course
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<whitequark>
the parsed encoding would be the encoding of all strings which leave the parser
* judofyr
just wonders if there should be a way to get the encoding of the file
<whitequark>
and symbol literals
<judofyr>
probably good enough
* whitequark
shrugs
<whitequark>
I guess you can call the method directly
<judofyr>
yeah
<whitequark>
ooooh.
<whitequark>
Source::Buffer is immutable
<whitequark>
I couldn't force_encoding its string
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<hebertodelrio>
after compiling ruby 1.9.3 with tk support, I tried to run: require 'tk' on irb, but it crashed with the following message: called Tcl_FindHashEntry on deleted table
<hebertodelrio>
Abort trap: 6
<hebertodelrio>
I manage to identify the portion of tk.rb where it crashes: it is in the module TkCore. Any idea why this is happening?
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<hebertodelrio>
I have OS X 10.7, ActiveStateTcl installed and running
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<hebertodelrio>
when I run info patchlevel I get 8.6.0
<hebertodelrio>
Somebody help?
<hebertodelrio>
Is this the right channel to ask this kind of questions?
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<whitequark>
theoretically
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<hebertodelrio>
Thanks for the response, do you think I would have better chance on #tcl?
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<whitequark>
no idea
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<hebertodelrio>
I need to use a GUI, what could be the best option? Using 1.9.3 or 2.0.0
<hebertodelrio>
on OS X
<whitequark>
macruby? rubycocoa?
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<ericwood>
JRuby + swing :D
<ericwood>
...I'll let myself out
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<darix>
hebertodelrio: make a webapp
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<hebertodelrio>
That is the same as calling defeat, I dont believe there is no cross platform GUI available on Ruby by default, Python has Tkinter
<hebertodelrio>
I love Ruby above Python
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<hebertodelrio>
I am trying to make it work.
<whitequark>
theoretically, tk should work
<whitequark>
for much the same reasons as it does in python
<whitequark>
however, something's screwed up in OS X. *shrug* I'm using Debian.
<darix>
there is also wxruby ...
<darix>
hebertodelrio: and imho using a webapp is not defeat
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<hebertodelrio>
wxruby is updated! In some sense webapp is defeat, since that implies using a browser to do something that it is not meant for a web browser
<imperator>
wxruby, fx, shoes, qt - take your pick
<darix>
hebertodelrio: with recent development ... I doubt there is much left that cant be done within a webbrowser
<darix>
they even made the latest unreal engine run in it
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<hebertodelrio>
What kind of plugins or libraries could be used to do ploting and scientific graphs on a webapp? What will you use to develop a webapp instead of a desktop app? Rails?
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<whitequark>
darix: except that everything you do in a browser is somewhat broken
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<darix>
hebertodelrio: a webframework of your choice. where are multiple libs for js and ruby to do graphs
<darix>
depending where you want to render
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<darix>
whitequark: and chasing cross platform gui bugs will be just as fun ;)
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<hebertodelrio>
what do you mean by where do I want to render?
<whitequark>
darix: did you actually write cross-platform guis?
<darix>
hebertodelrio: you can send the data to the browser and render it there via js
<darix>
or you can render server side and send the image
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<whitequark>
because fixing a few font-related bugs is incomparable to writing everything in an environment least suitable for this kind of tasks
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<hebertodelrio>
I see what you mean, is js as powerful as any of the desktop gui's frameworks? I didn't knwo
<whitequark>
hebertodelrio: it is not nearly as convenient. you have to do everything yourself, or compose parts from huge, hard to modify UI libraries
<whitequark>
besides... you need to be a very good JS+HTML developer to write something maintainable
<hebertodelrio>
I'm not :(
<whitequark>
Ruby would, at best, be useful only for preparing the data
<hebertodelrio>
I found the root of the problem with Tk in ruby-talk:395829 :) it is that Tcl/Tk 8.6 has issues with tailcall command, downgrading to 8.5 fixed the problem :)
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<whitequark>
almost there! only source maps and #coding left
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<yorickpeterse>
bison docs, y u so shit
<yorickpeterse>
they explain quite a lot and then rush over the last bit (actually calling the parser) like it's super trivial
<whitequark>
um... it is?
<whitequark>
yyparse() or smth like that
<yorickpeterse>
it's trivial once you know how to
<yorickpeterse>
also the examples are contradicting
<yorickpeterse>
in some cases yylex doesn't take arguments, sometimes it does
<yorickpeterse>
in some it uses global vars (I think), etc
<whitequark>
there are tons of global vars in bison
<whitequark>
unless you pass some kind of an option
<yorickpeterse>
well, in C++ they're at least namespaced
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<whitequark>
mbj: I see Travis building mutant :)
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<whitequark>
ok... parser 1.1 supports 1.8, 1.9, 2.0 and 2.1 syntaxes, plus magic encoding for >=1.9, plus correct duplicate argument detection, and some more bugfixes
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<mbj>
whitequark: Yeah, dkubb does my job in making master green. I dont have the time.
<mbj>
whitequark: I'm in contact with the guys behind coveralls, maybe they'd like to add mutant to their stack. Hopefully I can get some sponsoring ;) My current clients work is boring.
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<whitequark>
mbj: would be neat
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<mbj>
whitequark: I took a bad clients job, underestimated the stupid work, that is the reason I dont have any time for opensource anymore.
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<whitequark>
mbj: happens. Any estimate of when you're done with it?
<mbj>
whitequark: Hopefully next week, but I already thought that a week ago ;)
<mbj>
whitequark: My opensource activity dropped to "near zero".
<mbj>
whitequark: And yeah, that happens ;)
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<whitequark>
mbj: are you up to discussing parser internals?
<whitequark>
there are basically three interesting things left. source maps, RP compat and rewriting
<whitequark>
after that it is complete as a project
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<mbj>
whitequark: I have to move home, 20 min and we can start discussion
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<whitequark>
good
<mbj>
whitequark: At least I think I helped the parser with our discussions ;)
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<mbj>
whitequark: BTW do you feel (also) ruby is missing a primitive binary array datatype?
<mbj>
whitequark: Something like erlangs binary primitive?
<whitequark>
ByteArray, indeed
<whitequark>
the current direction seems to be in favor of using Strings with BINARY encoding
<whitequark>
"foo".b in 2.0, etc
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<mbj>
whitequark: Yeah, but strings to not support bitwise operations
<mbj>
I'd like to have a 16bit buffer xor 16bit buffer ;)
<mbj>
A fixed with byte array would help me a lot ;)
<whitequark>
I think this is simply out of scope for a generic Ruby impl
<whitequark>
Foundry provides such primitives ;)
<mbj>
whitequark: hehe
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<mbj>
whitequark: I'd love to have more support for such low level operations in ruby.
<mbj>
Falling back to bc to do my binary calculus feels so oldschool...
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<yxhuvud>
seems like it would be vastly ineffective compared to a native solution as well. hard to beat C for binary shenanigans.
<whitequark>
yxhuvud: hard to beat C? hah. it's because C doesn't bother to give you a correct result
<lianj>
there is always the option to attach something via ffi
<whitequark>
a comparison with Haskell (Habit, to be precise) or some ML dialect would be more correct
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<mbj>
yxhuvud: I just need a nice console to do adhoc calculus with fixed size buffers and binary operators.
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<yxhuvud>
whitequark: I was more thinking of vector operations etc.
<mbj>
yxhuvud: I think ruby will be faster than my neurons ;)
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<whitequark>
yxhuvud: well, nothing prevents LLVM from autoparallelizing loops when you execute some Haskell code with GHC?
<yxhuvud>
whitequark: sure, but this is not ghc. I guess the jvm may manage something similar as well, but I *really* don't expect that out of mri..
<whitequark>
yxhuvud: no, hotspot is most certainly not going to do that.
<whitequark>
neither will v8
<mbj>
whitequark: Rubinius seems to have a ByteArray, nice.
<andrewvos>
tsion: I am on a phone with Edge only :/
<andrewvos>
Anything interesting?
<tsion>
nothing really mindblowing yet
<andrewvos>
meh
<tsion>
there's lots of hidden stuff apparently
<tsion>
all over the place, hints on youtube and random sites
<tsion>
brb
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<injekt>
bitches
<injekt>
andrewvos: did you go to the github drinkup?
<andrewvos>
injekt: no I drank with real friends :)
<injekt>
andrewvos: SCOLD
<andrewvos>
hehe
<andrewvos>
injekt: You didn't
<injekt>
andrewvos: how do you know?!
<andrewvos>
injekt: I am outside your window
<injekt>
lies, I dont have windows
<andrewvos>
watching
<andrewvos>
breathing
<andrewvos>
hah
<andrewvos>
injekt: hire me?
<andrewvos>
I need a new job
<injekt>
andrewvos: dont you enjoy your job?
<andrewvos>
Maybe I should have gobe to the drinkip
<andrewvos>
Gahh iphone keyboard
<injekt>
haha
<andrewvos>
:)
<injekt>
drinkip, when you're drunk and fallasleep for a short while
<andrewvos>
I do not enjoy it
<injekt>
aw
<andrewvos>
:(
<injekt>
I'm looking around for work too right now, I'd love to hire you if we were a little further down the line
<andrewvos>
You want work in London? I can get you an interview.
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<injekt>
where? and not really, I'm looking more remote. I dont want to move closer to London and I dont want to travel every day
<injekt>
if you're talking about your company, no thanks :D
<andrewvos>
A friend has an agency. They are the best developers I have worked with. You would fit in.
<injekt>
heh
<andrewvos>
Nah not my company. I wouldn't wish a large company on anyone :)
<injekt>
:P
<andrewvos>
I want to work for a medium sized company next
<injekt>
I've been tempted to move to vancouver again or san fran lately
<andrewvos>
Why?
<injekt>
lots of work from companies that have approached me but dont want remote workers
<andrewvos>
Where are you? Forgot already
<injekt>
Basingstoke, in Hampshire
<andrewvos>
Far out
<injekt>
is that like "far out, dude" or "far out, way away from london"
<andrewvos>
Is that London or outside? I am on my phone s can't look
<andrewvos>
The latter :)
<injekt>
haha you dont know where hampshire is? bro
<andrewvos>
I am an African!
<injekt>
do you know where Reading is?
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<injekt>
Andover, Fleet, Hook, any of those?
<andrewvos>
Yeah! Saw a 12 year old smoking a cigarette there once. Not the best place Reading :)
<injekt>
aye, I live about 20min from there
<andrewvos>
Don't know the others
<injekt>
dang, such a londoner
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<andrewvos>
:)
<injekt>
it's about 50min south of central london
<andrewvos>
<3 London
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<injekt>
it's ok
<andrewvos>
Oh ok
<injekt>
I grew up there for a while but in a shitty area
<andrewvos>
My girlfriend is from Essex :)
<injekt>
hahaha
<andrewvos>
Do you know Sidcup?
<injekt>
yes
<andrewvos>
Is it close?
<injekt>
I lived in greenwich for a while
<injekt>
is what close?
<andrewvos>
Sidcup
<injekt>
close to what? lol
<injekt>
me?
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<andrewvos>
Yeah. You said south
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<injekt>
oh no, way south. Way outside london
<andrewvos>
Oh ok hehe
<injekt>
50min was by train
<injekt>
:D
<andrewvos>
I couldn't point myself out on a map :)
<injekt>
haha
<injekt>
you know where portsmouth is right?
<andrewvos>
Living in Canary Wharf now, which is kind of south
<andrewvos>
hah
<andrewvos>
Nope
<injekt>
yup my uncle lives there
<injekt>
wow wtf have you even ventured out of london
<andrewvos>
Oh yeah where?
<injekt>
not sure exactly he's an asshole I dont talk to him
<injekt>
but the area he lives I'm told is super nice
<andrewvos>
Umm yeah Bath and around Milton Leynes are
<andrewvos>
area*
<andrewvos>
Canary Wharf is amazing
<andrewvos>
Love it
<injekt>
hah, what about southampton?
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<andrewvos>
No not beenthere but heard of it
<andrewvos>
Oh i've been all around Essex too
<andrewvos>
It is quite nice in some areas
<injekt>
essex makes me want to punch people
<injekt>
because essex people
<andrewvos>
Yeah true
<injekt>
I'm sure your girl is great but man, asfesasdfgfd
<andrewvos>
But they're alright
<andrewvos>
haha
<andrewvos>
yeah
<andrewvos>
agreed
<andrewvos>
Move to London :)
<andrewvos>
Have you been to Osterley?
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<andrewvos>
Or Brentford
<andrewvos>
Same thing
<injekt>
yeah brentford went there not long ago
<injekt>
my buddy supports the team
<injekt>
I went to fulham a few weeks ago too
<injekt>
I go to london a lot, I lived in south london many years ago
<andrewvos>
Oh and did you watch the funeral?
<injekt>
no
<andrewvos>
South London I try to stay away from. Too many South Africans :)
<injekt>
heh, I lived in brixton
<injekt>
when I was younger
<injekt>
for a little while
<andrewvos>
Nooo
<andrewvos>
What a shithole
<injekt>
can't even explain how bad it was
<injekt>
I still have the scars lol
<andrewvos>
It looked the same after the riots :)
<injekt>
I lived in a little place called myatts field
<andrewvos>
Maybe it looked cleaner after
<injekt>
"Myatt's Field estate has been described as a place that not even the devil would walk through because young people living there at the estate were terrorising people"
<injekt>
the bbc does it justice
<andrewvos>
Anything south of the river = not for me
<injekt>
aye
<andrewvos>
I lived in Wandsworth
<andrewvos>
Hate that plac
<andrewvos>
e
<injekt>
not been there
<injekt>
ah west
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<andrewvos>
Near Clapham
<injekt>
yeah
<injekt>
that's a shit hole too
<andrewvos>
Indeed
<andrewvos>
I work in Brentford :(
<injekt>
:D
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<andrewvos>
injekt: When will it be waarm again
<andrewvos>
:(
<injekt>
andrewvos: we had about 20min of sun today
<injekt>
then hailstones
<injekt>
then thunder
<andrewvos>
I miss South African weather
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<injekt>
then weather.sample
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<zenspider>
andrewvos: very nice weather... but then while you're appreciating the weather walking down the sidewalk, you step on a puff adder and DIE.
<andrewvos>
injekt: Hailstobes? I guess I'm lucky in London
<injekt>
heh
<injekt>
yeah you get the fumes
<zenspider>
it's a lovely dry and grey here today :)
<andrewvos>
zenspider: Temperature?
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<injekt>
fuck you°C
<andrewvos>
Yeah no heathen fahrenheit shit plz
<andrewvos>
We are civilised
<injekt>
quite.
<injekt>
Time to entertain the gf
<injekt>
g'night
<andrewvos>
night
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<zenspider>
andrewvos: ~11C
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