#ruby on 2016-09-07 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2016-09-01 02:11 baweaver changed the topic of #ruby to: Rules & more: https://ruby-community.com || Ruby 2.3.1; 2.2.5; 2.1.10: https://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on https://gist.github.com || Rails questions? Ask on #RubyOnRails || logs @ https://irclog.whitequark.org/ruby/

00:00 <baweaver> Well if you're convinced that it costs money to be an amazing programmer, pay the money, but you'll find very quickly looking back that it's not at all the case.

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00:02 <wrkrcoop> im not i just feel like the info is not as available as stuff on quora

00:03 <toretore> all the information you need is available for free, you just have to take the time to read, understand and practice

00:04 <toretore> instead of "how do i do x with y?", ask "how exactly does y work?"

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00:05 <Mon_Ouie> What are tuition fees like in the US for a computer science degree anyway? here, I get about 20 hours of lectures and practical sessions per week, 14 weeks per semester, plus the ability to contact professors/TAs outside of those, and that's much less expensive than 150$/hr

00:05 <toretore> then spend some time actually learning how y works, practicing and trying things out

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00:06 <toretore> if your goal is to solve a particular problem, get paid or "be an excellent programmer", you will be less successful

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00:07 <baweaver> even then, MIT has OpenCourseWare, Coursera has various things on for free, and Khan academy covers a lot of the rest.

00:08 <eam> Mon_Ouie: ranges from $20k to $50k/yr

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00:08 <baweaver> This ignoring the fact that being considered excellent is a nebulous term rife for differences in interpretation

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00:09 <eam> but those are prices to buy the diploma. You can generally attend for free

00:09 <eam> and/or consume the content

00:09 <eam> no one has ever kicked me out of a lecture, or even asked if I was a student

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00:10 <toretore> "possible" and "allowed" aren't the same thing :P

00:11 <eam> Mon_Ouie: the thing about cost is there's a 90/10 thing going on with what you buy with a degree program vs what you need in order to make money

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00:12 <eam> such a crass goal, I know

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02:29 <aBound> Anyone in here recommend a good beginners book for someone who wants to learn Ruby?!?

02:30 <NetSage> aBound: Learn to Program by Chris Pine

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02:30 <aBound> Checking Amazon.

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02:31 <aBound> NetSage, Seems a bit dated says it's from 2009 is it still relevant?

02:31 <NetSage> The second edition is for 2.0 and it's a beginners book. The basics don't change much

02:32 <aBound> No problem, thanks a lot NetSage I'll check it out.

02:32 <aBound> :)

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02:33 <aBound> Oops, forgot to mention what's a good beginners book for Rails after Ruby is learned.

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02:36 <aBound> Have a nice day all. :)

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02:44 <getxsick> maybe im doing something wrong but..i defined a class method and i can call it by refering to the class itself (MyClass.class_method) however I was expecting to have a possibility to call it from the instance of the class too (obj=MyClass.new; obj.class_method) but seems like Ruby doesn't allow it. why?

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02:45 <getxsick> aand then if it's not allowed, why Ruby doesn't raise exception when i use @instance_var inside definition of the class method?

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02:46 <ellistaa> im trying to build an image uploading site, right now im having the front end convert the image to base64 … send it to me … then i send it to s3 …

02:46 <ellistaa> is there a better way to do this?

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06:40 <mihael_k33hl> I'm creating an rspec file and I've created a new file via File.new on my first example, however, upon creating another File on another example it gives me an Errno::EACCES "Permission denied @rb_sysopen" which is weird since it allowed file creation on my first example

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06:52 <mtotheg> exit

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06:52 <carvantes> hi, i try to install bundle with gem from rbenv, but the bundle kept getting installed under /usr/loca/rvm path which I already imploded and rm -rf. Anyone know why?

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06:54 <dminuoso> carvantes: what does "which gem" tell you?

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06:57 <carvantes> dminuoso: $home/.rbenv/shims/gem

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07:00 <dminuoso> carvantes: So when you said "rbenv implode" what did you mean by that?

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07:01 <carvantes> dminuoso: oh the implode is from the rvm, 'rvm implode' will uninstall the rvm.

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07:01 <carvantes> dminuoso: im switching from rvm to rbenv.

07:02 <dminuoso> carvantes: do you have a .gemrc file that is messing things up?

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07:03 <carvantes> dminuoso: gemrc only has --nodocument

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07:04 <dminuoso> carvantes: Look at your "env", see if there's still any environment variables floating around.

07:05 <dminuoso> carvantes: (i.e. BUNDLE_PATH or GEM_HOME)

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07:05 <carvantes> dminuoso: oh yea, the GEM_HOME, GEM_PATH is set the the /usr/loca/rvm... path that should've been gone

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07:09 <carvantes> dminuoso: hmm, i couldnt find where those 2 vars are assigned. Checked my zshrc, bashrc, bash_profile

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07:10 <dminuoso> carvantes: Check under /etc/profile.d/

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07:16 <carvantes> dminuoso: not there either.

07:16 <dminuoso> carvantes: Oh perhaps they are still left around. Start a new shell?

07:16 <dminuoso> :p

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07:18 <carvantes> dminuoso: new shell to check if env still have the GEM_ ?

07:18 <dminuoso> carvantes: Yeah.

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07:19 <carvantes> dminuoso: its still there in new shell. I need to get rid of these two variables so my bundle will install correctly

07:20 <dminuoso> carvantes: It's difficult to say in general. Id have to look at your .bashrc and whatever you have in /etc/profile.d

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07:24 <carvantes> dminuoso: i'll try ack the whole system for the variables first

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07:27 <dminuoso> carvantes: use silver searcher.

07:27 <dminuoso> carvantes: its much much faster.

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07:29 <carvantes> dminuoso: ok, yea, forgot i got ag

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07:40 <carvantes> dminuoso: didnt found it, but i overwrite it again in my zshrc and now gems installed correctly

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07:54 <xpt> how should I check if my float number is whole number? " foo.to_i == foo " works but it seems like I'm using couple of unnecessary instructions

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08:01 <havenwood> xpt: modulo(1).zero?

08:01 <dminuoso> cardoni: I would not do that.

08:01 <dminuoso> cardoni: The problem is you have a bit of configuration that's messing with your Ruby setup.

08:01 <dminuoso> It will bite you back if you don't figure it out.

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08:06 <hanmac> xpt: another way would be "foo.denominator == 1" but i don't think that is much better :/

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08:33 <xpt> havenwood, hanmac: thanks

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09:07 <mihael_k33hl> Anyone using aruba with Rspec? Aruba's file matchers seem to fail when it succeeds when using native ruby to check. For instance File.exist?(file) returns truee but aruba's .to be_an_existing_file fails

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09:31 <ljarvis> mihael_k33hl: can't you just use ruby?

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09:31 <ljarvis> seems like a waste of time trying to debug something that merely adds "nice" helpers

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09:32 <ljarvis> i use quotes because i dislike stuff like that myself :)

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09:45 <ik-z> Hi all. I installed prawn gem (gem list : prawn (2.1.0)); But for an apply, I have this message : Could not find gem 'prawn (~> 0.15.0)'.... It's possible to downgrade a gem ?

09:45 <ik-z> is it*

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09:46 <ik-z> I use gem install prawn --version 0.15.0 but not work

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09:52 <mihael_k33hl> ljarvis: Yeah, i just gave it a try though hehe

09:53 <Batholith> Anyone know of a pastebin that executes ruby code?

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09:54 <Batholith> Oh wait, I think ideone finally started responding.

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09:54 <Batholith> Yaay, ideone is responding again!

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10:02 <jokke> hey

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10:02 <jokke> anyone using virtus care to explain what the difference between a virtus model and a virtus value object is?

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10:15 <Burgestrand> jokke I can't speak for virtus, but typically value objects are immutable and a way to give meaning to raw data, e.g. Point(x, y), or Square(width, height), does that help?

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10:16 <jokke> yeah that seems to support what i gathered from the source

10:16 <Burgestrand> jokke if it helps, it looks like Virtus has deprecated value objects and they will be removed

10:16 <jokke> oh ok

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10:16 <Burgestrand> jokke oh, sorry, I'm wrong

10:16 <Burgestrand> jokke it's probably only a specific way of using them that's deprecated

10:17 <jokke> mhm

10:17 <Burgestrand> jokke I saw this: https://github.com/solnic/virtus/blob/master/lib/virtus/value_object.rb#L34

10:17 <jokke> ok

10:17 <jokke> yeah

10:17 <Batholith> In constructors, or initializers, the @member_variable = argument is a very common pattern, is there a shortcut for this? Such as def initializer(@member_variable) ?

10:18 <Burgestrand> Batholith nope!

10:18 <Batholith> Aw. :(

10:18 <Batholith> Do you know if there will be something like that?

10:19 <[k-> Batholith: attr_accessor, attr_reader and attr_writer could be what you are looking for

10:19 <Burgestrand> Batholith there are gems to do this, e.g. https://github.com/barsoom/attr_extras

10:20 <Burgestrand> Batholith but there's no standard way to initialize member attributes from the initializer by automagic, attr_accessor/reader/writer only creates the accessors but does not initialize the members for you

10:20 <nowhereFast> Batholith: maybe looking at Struct

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10:20 <Batholith> Ah, alright.

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10:20 <Burgestrand> (and a downside of Struct is that 1) you have to inherit from it, and b) keyword arguments are not supported)

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10:21 <Burgestrand> … 1) and b), haha.

10:21 <Batholith> Haha.

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10:22 <Batholith> Burgestrand: attr_extras does look nice. :)

10:22 <nowhereFast> it does indeed

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10:22 <Burgestrand> Batholith personally I'm not entirely a fan, but I can see why people like it :)

10:23 <careta> guys how do I convert an integer to ruby hex? 2ab14df0 -> \x2a\xb1\x4d\xf0

10:23 <nowhereFast> Burgestrand: why not?

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10:24 <Burgestrand> nowhereFast too many weirdly named methods, and I feel some of them have nuances that makes the interface a bit weird to use. I'm not against the idea of automatically assigning specified (whitelisted) member variables from the initializer by way of metaprogramming like this, but I do feel there ought to be some nicer way to go about it.

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10:24 <Batholith> Burgestrand: I could see a problem with it if you want to have an argument that you just immediately assign to a member variable, and have another argument that does some things in the initializer. Then you'd need to go the old way.

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10:24 <Burgestrand> nowhereFast I'd say it's a personal preference and not something you should take as a fact, if the gem looks nice to you by all means do use it!

10:25 <Burgestrand> Batholith right, it's a tradeoff in flexibility vs. convenience, it's tricky to get both. :)

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10:25 <Batholith> What I think would be awesome if there was support for doing def initializer(@name, age) \ @age = age < 0 ? 0 : age \ end

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10:26 <nowhereFast> hmm.. as nice as it might seem for being concise, I suppose if anybody other than you is going to be working on your code having it a little more explicit would win out in this case

10:26 <Burgestrand> Yeah, that'd indeed be nice, and support for keyword arguments as well.

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10:26 <Batholith> Burgestrand: Keyword arguments?

10:26 <Burgestrand> Batholith def initialize(positional_argument, optional_positional = "Yay!', required_keyword:, optional_keyword: "hello")

10:27 <Burgestrand> Batholith i.e. named arguments

10:27 <Batholith> Oooh, named arguments.

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10:28 <Batholith> Keyword arguments sounded like you want to pass keywords as arguments, such as if/unless/def and so on.

10:28 <Burgestrand> :)

10:28 <Burgestrand> Communication isn't always easy.

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10:29 <Batholith> True!

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10:29 <Batholith> Doesn't Python have something like that?

10:29 <Burgestrand> careta I'd guess pack/unpack, one or the other, I always forget which is which!

10:29 <Batholith> Named arguments, I mean. Not optional positionals though.

10:29 <nowhereFast> scala I think does

10:29 <Burgestrand> Batholith Ruby does have named arguments, but it'd be neat if your initialize(@hello) thing would work for named arguments as well as positional ones!

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10:30 <Batholith> Ruby does?

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10:30 <Burgestrand> Batholith oh yeah, the def-thing I wrote up there actually works.

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10:30 <Batholith> So you can write Person.new(name: "Hello!", age: 25)?

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10:31 <Burgestrand> Batholith https://eval.in/636845

10:31 <Burgestrand> Batholith Aye-aye.

10:31 <Burgestrand> Batholith you can mix them with positional arguments too if you like.

10:32 <Batholith> Nice error!

10:32 <Batholith> Ooh yeah, I see it now.

10:32 <Batholith> You intentionally made it error.

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10:32 <Burgestrand> Yes!

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10:33 <Batholith> Burgestrand: But the real question is, can you omit the keyword in calling side?

10:33 <careta> Burgestrand, "2ab14df0".unpack('H*') => ["3261623134646630"], which is wrong!

10:33 <Burgestrand> Batholith yes and no, you see both bertha and figaro are fine.

10:33 <careta> ah got it

10:33 <careta> it's pack

10:33 <Batholith> I mean, can you call Cow.new "Bertha"?

10:33 <Burgestrand> Batholith you can write an initializer such as that, yes.

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10:34 <Burgestrand> Batholith https://eval.in/636849

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10:35 <Burgestrand> Batholith (yes, in some cases, you can have the first positional argument be optional!)

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10:35 <Burgestrand> Batholith (usually crazy, but sometimes useful)

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10:36 <Burgestrand> Batholith this is probably easier to see what happens: https://eval.in/636851

10:36 <Burgestrand> careta :)

10:36 <Burgestrand> careta I always forget which one, but that sounds about right.

10:36 <Burgestrand> >> ["2ab14df0"].pack("H*")

10:36 <ruby[bot]> Burgestrand: # => "*\xB1M\xF0" (https://eval.in/636853)

10:36 <Burgestrand> careta ^

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10:37 <Batholith> Burgestrand: I see, I just tried out and can't omit the keyword in calling side. But that's better than nothing!

10:37 <Burgestrand> Batholith could you give an example that does not work, both the definition and the calling? I might be able to help you straighten it out.

10:38 <Batholith> IIRC, Python has just normal set of arguments and in calling side, you can use the argument names if you want.

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10:39 <Batholith> Burgestrand: https://eval.in/636854

10:40 <Burgestrand> Batholith ah, yes, ruby is strict in the separation between positional arguments and keyword arguments.

10:40 <Burgestrand> Batholith keyword/named arguments don't have an order, so you can't call them positionally in such a way (without jumping through hoops).

10:40 <Batholith> Burgestrand: In Python; https://eval.in/636856

10:40 <careta> Burgestrand, thanks!

10:40 <Batholith> Which I think is ideal.

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10:41 <Burgestrand> Batholith aye, Python bakes in the named arguments with its positional arguments. I'm not sure of the pro's and con's, but I'm fairly sure that Ruby does it the way it does partly because it's backwards-compatible even with very old Rubies.

10:41 <Batholith> Ah.

10:42 <Batholith> Backwards compatibility is the root of evil design choices!

10:42 <Batholith> Take C++ for example!

10:42 <Burgestrand> Batholith you might be aware that in Ruby that if the last argument you pass is a hash, you can leave out the curly brackets.

10:42 <Burgestrand> Batholith some_method("A", "One" => 1, "Two" => 2)

10:43 <Burgestrand> Batholith some_method("A", { "One" => 1, "Two" => 2 }), they're equivalent.

10:43 <Batholith> Yeah, I read a bit about the keyword arguments and in 1.9, you used the hash for keyword arguments.

10:43 <Burgestrand> Batholith indeed, if you use symbols you can remove the quotes and the hashrocket, which makes it so: some_method("A", one: 1, two: 2).

10:44 <Batholith> Yeah. Anyways, thanks for the help! I'm off to take a nap now. :) Take care!

10:44 <Burgestrand> Batholith You're welcome. :)

10:44 <Burgestrand> careta \o.

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11:47 <conta> guys, how do I dynamically do `A::B::<eg. "asdf".upcase>` ?

11:48 <Mon_Ouie> Do you mean to build a string or to retrieve the value referenced by a constant?

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11:52 <conta> I found it, constantize was what I wanted

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11:53 <Mon_Ouie> Simply A::B.const_get if you're not using Rails

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12:52 <lifted> HI FRIENDS

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13:03 <careta> is there a way to url encode all characters? I want all chars, for example ff3233fa url encodes to %ff23%fa, but I want it to encode to %ff%32%33%fa

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13:04 <elomatreb> careta: That's not how URL-encoding works. Maybe you want base64?

13:04 <Mon_Ouie> Are you just trying to insert a '%' ever two characters?

13:05 <careta> elomatreb, I'm aware... but just wondering if there's a way to do it

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13:05 <careta> Mon_Ouie, that might work, let me try

13:05 <careta> if I have all my chars in hex, that can work

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13:41 <robnester> question: In python I can check if an attribute of an instance of a class matches a number of values by doing: if class.attribute in ['a', 'list', 'of', 'values']. What would be the ruby-esque way to do this?

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13:41 <apeiros> ['a', 'list', 'of', 'values'].include?(obj.attribute)

13:41 <robnester> thanks.

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13:42 <apeiros> I'm not sure, but I think rails even adds Object#in?(enum), which basically just does enum.include?(self)

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13:43 <ljarvis> yeah, although activesupport*

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13:45 <robnester> thanks.

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13:45 <robnester> i'm working on porting a framework I've written in python to ruby.

13:45 <robnester> specifically RoR

13:46 * apeiros personally doesn't like Object#in?

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13:46 <apeiros> IMO goes against separation of concerns (it's not the duty of an object do know whether it's in a container - it's the containers duty)

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13:47 <robnester> that makes sense.

13:48 <apeiros> *to know

13:48 <apeiros> speeling :)

13:48 <robnester> words are hard ;)

13:49 <apeiros> thinking and typing after a big dinner are too :D

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14:02 <robnester> in rails, if I wanted to have a model field which is 'id' which represents an integer which is not the db record ID, is there a suggested naming convention?

14:02 <robnester> such as _id or id_ ?

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14:18 <ljarvis> robnester: is it unique?

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14:18 <ljarvis> and why call it id but it not be the db id? what does it actually mean?

14:18 <robnester> hmm... it would necessarily be so

14:18 <robnester> so it represents an erratum. An erratum might be listed more than once (each listing representing a test run)

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14:19 <robnester> *it would not necessarily be so

14:19 <robnester> and an erratum has an "id" which is a five digit identifier.

14:19 <apeiros> if your db doesn't have an id column for a model, you only have to special case the migration

14:20 <apeiros> the model will figure it out which column is the primary key iirc

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14:20 <robnester> apeiros, my assumption is that there _would_ be an ID column, which would be the primary key.

14:20 <apeiros> you can tell it explicitly though, via AR::Base.primary_key= (iirc, check the rails api)

14:21 <apeiros> then it's a relatively bad idea to have an attribute called the same

14:21 <ljarvis> right, but it sounds like you don't have one (so you'd still need the id anyway)

14:21 <apeiros> you'll just confuse about everybody. use a different name.

14:21 <robnester> but I'm just curious, if I add another column which would be the errata id, is there a ruby-esque naming convention for this? "_id" "id_" ?

14:21 <ljarvis> if it's not unique it's not a primary key

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14:21 <robnester> apeiros: yeah, I think you're correct here.

14:21 <ljarvis> both of those are bad, is basically what im saying

14:21 <ljarvis> so you should think of something better :)

14:21 <apeiros> robnester: yes, columns referring to foreign keys (FKs) usually end in _id

14:21 <robnester> ok.

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14:22 <apeiros> and it's not ruby, ruby doesn't know or care about databases ;-)

14:22 <robnester> well, should I say "rails" ;)

14:22 <ljarvis> this doesn't refer to a foreign key though does it? I thought you were actually suggesting using "_id" for ex

14:22 <apeiros> (rails != ruby)

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14:22 <robnester> apeiros: true, and I know that... I actually have mapped this all out in ruby previously, now trying to get that all in rails.

14:23 <robnester> so my apologies for terminological inexactitude ;)

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14:23 <apeiros> robnester: also, if, say "Article" has more than one erratum, the ID wouldn't be in the Article model, it'd be in Erratum

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14:24 <apeiros> i.e. Article.has_many :errata, and Erratum.belongs_to :article

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14:24 <apeiros> the belongs_to party has the FK

14:24 <robnester> apeiros: yes, that's analogous to how I have things structured.

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14:25 <apeiros> Erratum#article_id (gives the id) and via the belongs_to :article, rails defines the Erratum#article method, which returns the matching Article via the errata.article_id (and article.id) column

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14:25 <nowhereFast> is anything wrong with doing this? Dir.glob('./somedir/*', &method(:require))

14:25 <apeiros> nowhereFast: you tell us?

14:25 <robnester> the errata id mentioned here is a string identifier, think of it like a name... i know the 'id' nomenclature confuses the issue.

14:25 * apeiros guesses private method call fails

14:25 <apeiros> robnester: I tend to call non-integer id's "code"

14:25 <nowhereFast> no, it works, just asking re. idiomatic syntax for ruby

14:26 <apeiros> but "id" is just fine too.

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14:26 <ljarvis> nowhereFast: idiomatic? no.

14:26 <apeiros> nowhereFast: I prefer explicit requires

14:26 <robnester> apeiros: thanks

14:26 <ljarvis> nowhereFast: also, it'll require *any* file, not just ruby

14:26 <apeiros> nowhereFast: and IMO they're more idiomatic too

14:26 <apeiros> nowhereFast: and "." in your requires == security issue

14:26 <ljarvis> nowhereFast: also, can someone else add a ruby file that does something mental like moneypatch Object? worth thinking about

14:26 <nowhereFast> so if I wanted to require 20 files, it would be done one by one?

14:26 <apeiros> . is the *working* directory. it's *not* relative to your script.

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14:27 <ljarvis> i would require one by one yes

14:27 <nowhereFast> okay, fair enough

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14:27 <apeiros> your working directory can be different for *the same script*. invoking /user/home/foo/bar.rb via 'ruby bar.rb' while in /user/home/foo and via 'ruby foo/bar.rb' while in /user/home will lead to different working directories.

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14:28 <apeiros> and yes, one by one, even for 20 files. though usually it'll be much less. because if you do `require 'foo/bar/baz'`, you're IMO doing it wrong. you should `require 'foo/bar'`, and foo/bar.rb does `require 'foo/bar/baz'`

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14:29 <nowhereFast> I see

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14:31 <nowhereFast> so for something like say spec_helper that would require all models, -you would require each one?

14:31 <apeiros> rails - you don't need to require models.

14:31 <apeiros> anything within app/ is autoloaded

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14:32 <nowhereFast> this is not in rails

14:32 <nowhereFast> its a rack app I'm experimenting with

14:32 <apeiros> then I'd probably have something like spec/helpers/models and require all models from there

14:32 <ljarvis> doesn't your "main" file require models?

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14:33 <ljarvis> e.g. your top level app

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14:33 <nowhereFast> it does.. via the one liner I pasted above

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14:34 <nowhereFast> so you'd go the helper route.. but the helper would still require each one individually

14:34 <apeiros> generally in unit tests I try to avoid loading everything

14:34 <apeiros> I load the thing I need in the test suite which needs it

14:34 <apeiros> makes it easier to isolate tests

14:34 <nowhereFast> ahh.. okay

14:34 <nowhereFast> but then for the app? you'd need all there.. so one by one?

14:34 <apeiros> it also means running single tests will be a lot faster

14:34 <nowhereFast> pardon my asking the same thing, just trying to understand why you prefer being that explicit about it

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14:35 <apeiros> same principle actually - files in my apps load other files they directly depend upon.

14:35 <nowhereFast> models would all be depended on for the app, no?

14:35 <apeiros> you reference all models in all your files of your app?

14:36 <ljarvis> heh

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14:36 <ljarvis> i think this is close to personal opinion, and i generally tend to agree with apeiros, but i don't do that everywhere

14:36 <apeiros> I don't do it everywhere either. it is my standard model, though.

14:36 <nowhereFast> hmm..

14:36 <ljarvis> i usually start with it too yeah

14:36 <ljarvis> it's the nicer approach

14:37 <apeiros> for my private stuff I did start to experiment with a different autoloader than rails'

14:37 <ljarvis> not always the best though :D

14:37 <apeiros> (I don't like rails' autoloader)

14:37 <apeiros> sure. no silver bullets in life :D

14:38 <apeiros> it has a couple of advantages, though.

14:38 <apeiros> it means other people can easily track dependencies f.ex.

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15:16 <mitt3ns> Mornin'

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15:17 <apeiros> moin whitey :)

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15:17 <apeiros> new nick?

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15:17 <apeiros> oh, you're online with two different clients, I assume?

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15:19 <agent_white> How are you today?

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15:19 <apeiros> fine, fine. &u?

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15:20 <agent_white> Not too shabby!

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15:24 <adam12> Has anybody done a Ruby intro during a meetup? Trying to think of something that could demonstrate Ruby's strengths without audience needing to know Ruby ahead of time.

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15:24 <adam12> Koans or Kata's came up, but a lot of them seem too small.

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15:27 <Papierkorb> adam12: I'd take something small, or a barebones version of something "too big", and show it. I did a small-ish What's Ruby presentation at work recently. The presentation "software" was written in ruby, and as showcase I just put a barebones, but usable, version of it into a single slide.

15:27 <adam12> Interesting. That's a good idea.

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15:28 <adam12> I was looking for a micro project that didn't span too many domains.

15:28 <adam12> Ie. an address book or todo list that had a web component.

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15:28 <adam12> Any chance you have source for presentation?

15:29 <Papierkorb> Sorry, don't have it here at home

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15:31 <Papierkorb> adam12: A small-ish but maybe already useful(?) showcase could be to build a websocket realtime chat with roda+redcarpet so the user can *format* **the** message. Really depends on the audience what they'd enjoy though. Some may like this "barebones Slack", others dismiss it as useless microproject.

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15:32 <adam12> An interesting idea. I was hoping to keep it single domain - Ruby only.

15:32 <adam12> If I have to explain HTML/CSS/JS .. I think I've diverged too much

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15:32 <Papierkorb> What's the target audiences primary field of work?

15:33 <adam12> That said, if it was telnet based, and used markdown -> ansi.

15:33 <adam12> Variable. It's a generic developer meetup.

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15:34 <adam12> Some native devs (iOS, Android), lots of web, some backend only.

15:34 <Papierkorb> Maybe something which automates a small (but annoying?) task

15:34 <adam12> Yeah. Another good suggestion!

15:34 <Papierkorb> Like download something, transform it and write it to stdout

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15:35 <adam12> Maybe I'll just poll audience and wing it.

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15:36 <Papierkorb> a mini RSS reader, a logging HTTP proxy (Webrick + some http lib),

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15:38 <adam12> Cool, thanks. The RSS reader seems approachable.

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16:21 <tuelz1> can anyone point me to a small scriptish type project that has a modular logger setup? I'm looking for some good practices on how to setup a logger such that I can specify different logfiles or maybe even devices to write too

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16:22 <apeiros> log to stdout/stderr, have external tools which do the job better and can be managed by other people

16:23 <tuelz1> makes sense

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16:37 <hightower4> Hey, how do I check if 'super' of a function exists?

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16:39 <apeiros> hightower4: defined?(super)

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16:39 <hightower4> apeiros, great, thanks++

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16:40 <apeiros> you could also do it via introspection, but it's easy to get that one wrong.

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16:44 <myndz> quick q: if i have multiple statements in a row for which i want to catch errors and abort early, how do i return from the rescue block so that further code doesn't run?

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16:44 <myndz> without, that is, nesting a bunch of begin/rescue/end blocks

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16:47 <apeiros> myndz: begin; s1; s2; s3; rescue All, The, Exceptions; …handle exception…; end

16:47 <apeiros> if say s1 raises, s2 and s3 won't be run.

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16:48 <apeiros> amendment: rescue All, The, Exceptions => raised_exception; …

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16:48 <myndz> clarification: if i want to treat certain potential exceptions differently, but i think you may have answered that in passing

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16:49 <myndz> rescue takes an argument, the type of exception to catch?

16:49 <apeiros> *rescue

16:49 <apeiros> catch is something else in ruby

16:49 <apeiros> yes

16:49 <myndz> that should do the job then, thanks

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16:49 <apeiros> you can have a) multiple rescues for a begin/end, and b) multiple exception classes for any rescue

16:49 <apeiros> only the first "matching" rescue will trigger

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16:50 <myndz> sounds good

16:50 <hightower4> apeiros, by the way, any idea how I would print the locations of all 'super' functions in the chain?

16:50 <apeiros> note that any superclass will do too. i.e. rescue StandardError (the default) will rescue almost all exceptions.

16:50 <hightower4> "locations" being any way of identifying class/module or filename in which the method is defined

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16:51 <apeiros> hightower4: see Object#method and Method#source_location

16:51 <hightower4> Wonderful, thanks

16:52 <apeiros> walking the ancestry of an individual object I'm not sure, I think obj.singleton_class.ancestors should do.

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17:11 <hightower4> apeiros, still searching for the right solution - when iterating over ancestors, anc.method( :meth) returns nil for all ancestors

17:11 <apeiros> oh, for the ancestors it'd be instance_method

17:12 <apeiros> since they're classes

17:12 <apeiros> don't forget to provide the 2nd arg to exclude inherited methods

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17:13 <apeiros> I think something like obj.singleton_class.ancestors.map { |klass| klass.instance_method(:meth, false) }.compact.map { |meth| [meth.owner, meth.source_location] } might do

17:14 <apeiros> not sure though. as said, this one is easy to get wrong and I'm kinda distracted :)

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17:14 <hightower4> apeiros, but I found I already wrote a solution for discovering where in the ancestors the method is defined -- http://pastebin.ca/3712709

17:14 <hightower4> Thanks for the discussion ++ :)

17:15 <apeiros> yw

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18:00 <ratg> hi all

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18:41 <bqscott> automate all the tasks!

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18:44 <b3atr> is there a better solution to this? i've an array called `claim_documents` each of its element is `documentable`

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18:45 <b3atr> i want to get the name of the class of documentable

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18:45 <b3atr> i did something like this, claim_documents.map {|claim_document| claim_document.documentable.class.name}

18:45 <b3atr> is there any better solution?

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18:54 <apeiros> b3atr: that's a good solution

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19:15 <ag4ve_> how do I load a file of ruby variables? require is erroring

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19:19 <eam> ag4ve_: your question isn't clear, can you create a gist describing what you're trying and what the result is?

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19:21 <apeiros> ag4ve_: common problem is that people expect local variables from other files to be "imported". but local variables are, well, local. standard solutions: use constants (preferably namespaced in a module), or use a yaml file instead of a ruby file, along with some loading mechanism.

19:24 <ag4ve_> thanks

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19:41 <chrisdav6_> Hello all. New Ruby user here. Started out with HTML/CSS and Javascript/jQuery and finally took the plunge to Ruby/RubyOnRails! Currently following The Odin Project and various other Ruby resources. I hope to be a contributing member in the coming months. If you guys have any tips on learning resources that would be great! :) -Chris

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19:47 <elementaru> chrisdav6_ hi. there's another channel specifically for Rails. As for resources in general, I saw this post recently https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/50l1yt/heres_a_list_of_430_free_online_programmingcs/ , probably there's something about Ruby/rails as well

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19:50 <chrisdav6_> @last_staff thank you very much!

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19:55 <chrisdav6_> @elementaru Thank you very much!

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20:01 <chrisdav6_> is it possible to display formatted code in this chat room?

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20:02 <ybit> pretty sure this is relevant to everyone here https://www.bigmarker.com/remote-meetup/An-Interview-with-Josh-Adams

20:02 <ybit> it's an interview happening right now

20:02 <chrisdav6_> testing... ```puts "Test"```

20:03 <elementaru> chrisdav6_ just use pastebin?

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20:04 <baweaver> ?gist

20:04 <ruby[bot]> https://gist.github.com - Multiple files, syntax highlighting, even automatically with matching filenames, can be edited

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20:06 <chrisdav6_> @elementaru thank you! So if i had a question with regard to my code i would just have to link to an external source, right?

20:07 <chrisdav6_> GitHub, Pastebin, CodePen, Etc...

20:07 <elementaru> yeah, see what ruby[bot] linked

20:07 <chrisdav6_> Gotcha

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20:09 <chrisdav6_> I have a github and codepen acoount do that should help. Wasnt sure if this chat platform had features similar to gitter

20:09 <chrisdav6_> *so

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20:49 <Alayde> Can anyone point me to a gem that's a good example of how to interact with versioned http APIs?

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21:56 <marahin> Is rDOC part of Ruby?

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21:59 <jazzonmym1nd> marahin: yuuuuup

21:59 <jazzonmym1nd> part of the stdlib.

21:59 <marahin> jazzonmym1nd allright. So there is no point to set it as a dependency in gemspec :)

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22:11 <Mon_Ouie> There is: indicating which rdoc versions are compatible with your code

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22:58 <SJr> If I write a file and close it, and then read it again, should I always see the most recent contents right? Assuming that I am the only process writing to that file.

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23:24 <BubonicPestilenc> hey guys

23:24 <BubonicPestilenc> do Hash.key? works faster than Array.include?

23:24 <BubonicPestilenc> situation: checking if id already present in DB(which i decided to pre-fetch)

23:25 <eam> BubonicPestilenc: it should, yes

23:25 <BubonicPestilenc> ty

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23:40 <Widdershins> Hi, I'm having issues with a missing mmap.h that's preventing me from installing gems required for rails on windows 10

23:40 <Widdershins> Is there an advised solution to this

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