kentonv changed the topic of #sandstorm to: Welcome to #sandstorm: home of all things sandstorm.io. Say hi! | Have a question but no one is here? Try asking in the discussion group: https://groups.google.com/group/sandstorm-dev
<ocdtrekkie>
CaptainCalliope: kentonv set the channel to registered users only because it was getting a lot of spam, and nobody was managing it, and there wasn't much legitimate activity here anyways.
<ocdtrekkie>
Maybe he could open it back up, and promote some of the regular folk to moderators?
<CaptainCalliope>
And while we're at it maybe we could update the room topic and add a channel photo (on the Matrix end) :D
<CaptainCalliope>
I really want to see the sandcat image as the icon for this channel.
<isd>
I ended up switching to using weechat as a matrix client; riot was really hard on my battery... so no pictures for me.
<CaptainCalliope>
Had you tried RiotX? They're doing a from scratch rewrite.
<CaptainCalliope>
It's not feature complete yet, but has all the features I use on a day to day basis.
<isd>
I haven't. I was talking about my laptop though.
<CaptainCalliope>
Oh! Is that where my battery is going. And here I thought it was Vivaldi.
<CaptainCalliope>
Which I have open at the same time as riot because that's my sandstorm time.
<isd>
See also: I hate electron.
<isd>
The android app kills my battery too, but I was under the impression that was because the F-Droid version uses polling; if you get it from google play it uses Google's push notification service instead.
<CaptainCalliope>
Wait, all this time and fdroid doesn't have a notification service alternative?
<isd>
f-droid is just a package manager.
<isd>
It wouldn't really make sense for it to do so directly.
<CaptainCalliope>
Oh, that's true. The google play services conflation. Grrrrrr...
<dckc>
just got "Initializing OpenCollective" email... EXCELLENT!!!
<dckc>
I subscribed with what I used to spend on Oasis plus what I used to give to another project that I'm no longer involved in.
<CaptainCalliope>
Only you and ocdtrekkie
<CaptainCalliope>
should have gotten it.
<CaptainCalliope>
I put it there just to have something up. Does it read well? Would you change anything?
<dckc>
soft launch?
<dckc>
doesn't seem to be in test mode; I'm pretty sure they took my money :)
<CaptainCalliope>
Yep. Soft launch.
<dckc>
the "take my money" button was easy enough to find; I didn't read past there.
<dckc>
Let's have a look...
<CaptainCalliope>
Once we figure out some basic governance things, we can work on budget and crowdfund campaign dev in parallel.
<dckc>
looks good.
<dckc>
looks good: the email, that is. No, I don't see anything to change.
<CaptainCalliope>
\o/ Got the new backer email! We're in business!
<CaptainCalliope>
Our yearly budget is up to $144 a year. Huzzah.
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<ill_logic>
Nice
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<TimMc>
So at some point, we would switch away from funding zenhack directly? Is that still preferred for now because of the matching contribution?
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<ocdtr_web>
TimMc: Matching is a huge benefit right now to supporting Ian direct, it's doubling your money. There's also no fees.
<ocdtr_web>
Including payment processing, we lost just over 15% to fees for OpenCollective contribution.
<ocdtr_web>
I think directly supporting developers still has a good place but that we'll want the OpenCollective heavily recommended to people who don't want to keep track of who is doing what for Sandstorm and want to leave it in our hands where the support is spent.
<isd>
The equation may also change somewhat once the matching fund is used up (first year or first 5k, whichever comes first), and GitHub stops covering payment processing (which I think they were going to do at some point, but I forget when)
<ocdtr_web>
Indeed.
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<isd>
My gut is the big advantage to oc vs. just supporting individual developers is that probably more people will donate if they can just throw money at "the project" rather than try to figure out who people are and whatnot.
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<isd>
I guess the other thing is: if funds are specifically earmarked for "the project," it's more clear to people that they're actually going to be spent on something that benefits the project. One one of our early calls, dckc expressed concern about how much it would actually take for donating to me to make a difference. I actually think we've hit that: folks are covering a large enough fraction of my living expenses that I feel
<isd>
like for the time being I can afford to not actively look for contract gigs. I'm not at the point where I can afford to turn them down if they just fall into my lap. But that's kindof a nebulous measurement, and I think it would be nicer for everyone involved if there was a more clear "here's what my donation achieved"
* dckc
tunes in...
<dckc>
interesting times!
<dckc>
CaptainCalliope, I know some folks / a company that might make a significant contribution. OK if I forward them the "Initializing OpenCollective" message I got?
<dckc>
isd... that's cool about living expenses!
<isd>
Yeah. It's heartening. It's not long term sustainable -- without any contract work at all I'm still in the red -- but it's enough breathing room that for now I'd rather hack on sandstor than hunt for paid work.
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<kentonv>
ugh the version of the stripe library we were pinned to depends on a verison of lodash that has security vulnerabilities. Can't update it because the latest version has breaking API changes. Do I just remove the whole payments system since no one is using it anymore?
<isd>
That would be my gut. If we really want to add it back we can fish it out of the history and solve it then.