11:31 <nullbpm> Sandstorm is pretty cool

11:33 <abliss1> indeed!

11:43 <CaptainCalliope> I'm ok with it.

14:10 <nullbpm> Something that would be cool is a bounty system, so I could donate money to someone willing to make a package for LibreOffice Online

14:38 <ocdtr_web> We actually have a bounty board, but it wasn't particularly popular.

14:47 <nullbpm> Ah, I see

14:57 <ocdtr_web> https://ocdhost.sandcats.io:6080/shared/FTgbQeL3JpckLwEAg22Gcy0e0U13oM-ndQjh2dZQxBY should be it and you are free to post on it, but it hasn't been really active.

14:59 <ocdtr_web> Currently, if you want to support Sandstorm development in general, isd/zenhack has a GitHub Sponsors page, and we are building an OpenCollective for the Sandstorm Community though its a bit early to really tell you how that will be spent

14:59 <ocdtr_web> We'd like to eventually support both Sandstorm core development and work on packaging and integrating apps on Sandstorm.

15:00 <ocdtr_web> I believe that's opencollective.com/sandstormcommunity

15:01 <ocdtr_web> With regards to LibreOffice Online, is there particular things not met by the existing apps and tools which are particularly important to you?

15:03 <ocdtr_web> I think as LibreOffice has moved to having a web app version it probably makes more sense to look at than it used to, but I love knowing particularly where our existing apps fall short.

15:15 <nullbpm> In particular I'm looking for a way to create a PowerPoint-like presentation with multiple participants. I'm sure that would be possible with Hacker Slides or something similar, but I'd prefer something were the other people don't have to learn markdown

18:27 <ocdtr_web> nullbpm: That is definitely somewhere Sandstorm could use improvement. Hacker Slides works, but it's not the experience average users want for presentations, and it isn't actively maintained either.

21:02 <isd> I think a port of libreoffice online would make a lot of sense.

21:03 <isd> I poked at it briefly, but it seemed like it might take a bit of work. IIRC it wants to start as root so it can self-sandbox.

21:25 <isd> I think "mirage" would be a great name for a sandstorm-first video chat app.

21:25 <isd> random thought.

22:49 <xet7> isd: please no, see https://mirage.io/

22:51 <xet7> isd: something like sandvideochat would be better

22:51 <xet7> isd: or sandmeet ;)

23:06 <isd> I mean, yes, but the ocaml thing is different enough in domain I think.

23:07 <isd> sand<generic> is such a tired thing...

23:07 <xet7> Well, I still would prefer sandmeet

23:07 <xet7> I think it's great :)

23:07 <isd> I think the optical reference with mirage is nice.

23:07 <xet7> garagemeet?

23:08 <xet7> and theme of garage

23:08 <isd> I don't follow

23:08 <isd> (I think between sandstorm and OCaml basically every sand or desert related name is taken)

23:09 <xet7> is sandmeet taken?

23:15 <isd> Haven't checked.

23:16 <xet7> There is no sandmeet at Sandstorm App Market

23:20 <isd> I'd be surprised if it was taken. I'm just not thrilled with naming everything sand<foo>

23:21 <isd> we already have sandchat too.

23:21 <isd> which I feel like is a little too close.

23:22 <isd> Anyway, probably shouldn't spend too many cycles on the name until something actually exists :P

23:22 <xet7> Well, I have Sandstorm T-shirt, etc have drunk the coolaid, written code for Sandstorm, spent a lot of time keeping Wekan running on Sandstorm.

23:22 <xet7> I do like sandcats

23:23 <xet7> those are nice cats

23:23 <isd> sandcats has a good right to it.

23:24 <xet7> It's just that I also like mirage.io project very much, and would like not to get confused about it

23:25 <isd> Do you do OCaml stuff?

23:27 <xet7> A little tests only

23:27 <xet7> not bigger stuff yet

23:29 <isd> I really like OCaml

23:30 <isd> I also think with a little investiment it could be a really good platform for sandstorm apps: capnproto support, mature javascript backend...

23:30 <abliss1> i need to learn ocaml in the next few months

23:30 <abliss1> for work. got any favorite tutorials?

23:31 <isd> abliss: check out "Real World OCaml"

23:31 <isd> I would suggest the in-progress 2nd edition, as the ecosystem has moved a lot since the first edition was written.

23:32 <xet7> For Wekan, I have been looking at ways to create single executeable binary, and Wekan frontend working without Javascript.

23:32 <isd> xet7: tell you what: collaborate with me on a sandstorm video chat app written (mostly) in OCaml, and I won't name it mirage.

23:32 <xet7> isd: What is the plan?

23:32 <abliss1> thanks, RWO is already on my shelf.

23:33 <isd> Right now I'm just playing around with webrtc apis. haven't gotten much further than that.

23:33 <abliss1> i'd hack on that app!

23:34 <isd> Awesome.

23:35 <xet7> Ok I'll look how I could help

23:35 <isd> gotta go. Will keep folks posted.

23:35 <xet7> Ok :)

23:35 <xet7> I really love that 0install Python to OCaml blog series