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<rqou> so anyone other than nats in the Paris area?
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<rqou> whitequark: you jokingly claimed that France has no cities other than Paris yet Eurostar passes through Lille :P
<whitequark> "[...] Lille (Rijsel in Flemish) may be France's most underrated major city [...]"
* qu1j0t3 is the most underrated lurker
<azonenberg_hk> qu1j0t3: Lurkers are underrated in general
<azonenberg_hk> Just don't do it in Minneapolis
<azonenberg_hk> actually...
<azonenberg_hk> interesting
<azonenberg_hk> Apparently lurking is legal there now
<cr1901_modern> In NJ it is illegal to slurp your soup in public
* lain lurks
<whitequark> what
<cr1901_modern> I thought azonenberg_hk was talking about stupid laws, so I mentioned another stupid law that I know
<azonenberg_hk> cr1901_modern: I was talking about lurking specifically
<azonenberg_hk> But yeah apparently it's no longer illegal to lurk in minneapolis
<cr1901_modern> Oh nevermind then, just treat my quote as a non sequitir.
<qu1j0t3> non sequiturs are underrated
<cr1901_modern> Here's a non sequitir related to my life right now: I wish the popcorn button on the microwave worked
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<qu1j0t3> what happens when you push it?
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<cr1901_modern> Expected result: Perfectly cooked popcorn with all kernels popped and no burning
<cr1901_modern> Reality: Nicely cooked popcorn with half the kernels unpopped
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<whitequark> maybe it had a kernel panic
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* cr1901_modern laughs more than he should
<qu1j0t3> LOL
<qu1j0t3> cr1901_modern: i like your bug report template. HIRED
<cr1901_modern> Always write bug reports to the point, even if the assumptions are obvious. I model them off the Steam bug report when a malformed shell script deleted somebody's /home partition
<cr1901_modern> Expected result: Steam launches, hard drive remains intact.
<cr1901_modern> Actual result: Hard drive partition is deleted.
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<cr1901_modern> I used to joke that there should be a NetBSD microwave to complement the NetBSD toaster. Specifically optimized for microwaving popcorn by monitoring the between-pop interval. In 2016, this doesn't seem all that funny anymore.
<lain> haha
<qu1j0t3> cr1901_modern: nice idea
<lain> there was a great bug report against an iOS API, lemme find it
<rqou> nats`: I think someone already scammed us (at Gare du Nord)
<nats`> ?
<lain> found it
<nats`> did you buy ticket to a guy trying to sell them hand to hand ?
<rqou> hmm the hotel seems to use 125khz RFID cards
<rqou> too bad I don't have my reader/cloner for that
<lain> :D
<rqou> also only getting HSPA+ here (no LTE)
<rqou> nats`, whitequark: is it a good time to head over to electrolab right now?
<nats`> rqou there is LTE but I'm wondering if band are the same as in USA
<nats`> ?
<rqou> they aren't, but my phone theoretically supports both
<rqou> maybe it's the sim card
<rqou> anyways, would now be a good time to go visit electrolab?
<nats`> I never went there during the day but if it's marked as open I guess yes :)
<rqou> it's so weird for me to see the french day of week abbreviations
<whitequark> rqou: probably the phone
<whitequark> double-check it
<whitequark> bands are so nasty, and are the reason I have an xperia z2
<rqou> usa model supposedly does: 2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/25/26/29/30/41
<rqou> idk what paris area ues
<rqou> *uses
<rqou> i'm roaming on a uk sim though, not using a french sim
<felix_> either wrong frequency bands or more likely the sim card isn't allowed to use lte. the german sim card i have is only allowed to use gsm and umts, but not lte
<nats`> could be the case in roaming
<nats`> rqou if you want there are automatic vending machine selling Free Mobile Sim card
<nats`> they are prepayed for one month and it really doesn't cost much
<whitequark> rqou: ahhh roaming
<whitequark> that explains
<nats`> can become quickly intereting
<whitequark> really get a local sim card
<whitequark> *always* get a local sim card, though i think eu-wide one is enough
<whitequark> i guess uk is technically still within eu
<azonenberg_hk> For now
<azonenberg_hk> :p
<whitequark> well they can drag their feet indefinitely so idk
<azonenberg_hk> Lol
<azonenberg_hk> well the whole vote was advisory right?
<azonenberg_hk> they're still not legally bound to bail
<nats`> it's a point that is still being discussed :D
<whitequark> yeah
<whitequark> it's pretty much a constitutional crisis at this point afaiu
<whitequark> would be pretty entertatining to watch if there was no one in UK whom i cared about
<azonenberg_hk> Just like the US election?
<whitequark> well, no
<azonenberg_hk> Fun to watch the world burn from a safe distance, less fun to have it burning down around you :p
<whitequark> the UK has only seen a small uptick in hate crimes and is unlikely to have worldwide consequences
<whitequark> mostly it's idiots on the right screwing themselves
<whitequark> (if we talk about leadership, I mean...)
<nats`> funniest part is seeing politician changing their side during all of that crap :D
<whitequark> moreover most of the folks in UK have somewhere to go, namely EU
<whitequark> it's not really comparable to US
<azonenberg_hk> Well if nothing else
<azonenberg_hk> the dumpster that's on fire is much bigger :p
<whitequark> that isnt to say that UK *isn't* on a road to a pretty authoritarian regime but bremain would not have prevented that
<whitequark> and it's not a new development
* whitequark shrugs
<nats`> let's take over an island and put in place a world ruled by an IA
<nats`> AI
<whitequark> there's no AI, only other people's biases :p
<nats`> let it free enough for it to decide the best answer to our problem is to erase all human :D
<whitequark> or suicide?
<rqou> um, whitequark, nats`
<rqou> where exactly is the entrance?
<rqou> to electrolab?
<rqou> the loading dock?
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<lain> just break a window
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<rqou> electrolab is really neat
<rqou> unfortunately there aren't too many people here right now
<rqou> not speaking French --> disadvantage
<nats`> I hope people are talking english ....
<rqou> only one guy who speaks English, and he left
<rqou> so I'm leaving as well
<nats`> ah shit :\
<nats`> maybe there are more people the evening in the end of week
<rqou> yeah, we'll be in Frankfurt by then :P
<rqou> France is pretty Anglophone-hostile
<azonenberg_hk> rqou: Lol
<azonenberg_hk> even some parts of quebec are
<azonenberg_hk> They like to think they're france and not canada, it seems :p
<nats`> it's false
<nats`> all people I know in technic and communication can and do speak english
<nats`> I'm surprised that in electrolab you found so few of them because it's a pretty big lab with a lot of visitor
<rqou> maybe they just don't like me
<whitequark> that's a really weird experience, there were lots of english-speaking people last time I was there
<whitequark> even a russian speaker!
<nats`> I think it's because you'were here during the day
<nats`> during the week
<nats`> and at the christmas holidays period
<rqou> I suppose non-geeks actually care about Christmas? :P
<azonenberg_hk> hey geeks do too
<azonenberg_hk> its an excuse to stay home from work and build the projects i want to, instead of the ones a customer wants to :p
<rqou> except you're in HK on business :P
<azonenberg_hk> until friday
<pie_> lain, lol
<rqou> nats`: how do I find good restaurants in Paris? Just ask Google?
<pie_> just use theinternet tactic "french food sucks" andeveryone will try to prove you wrong
<nats`> I guess yes
<nats`> rqou what do you want to eat ?
<nats`> just avoid some place like near "Notre Dame"
<nats`> etc
<nats`> it's tourist trap
<rqou> azonenberg: ah, so right before Christmas
<rqou> basically I'm just trying to avoid overpriced tourist traps
<rqou> while knowing zero French
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<cr1901_modern> whitequark: Do you hang your clothes out on a clothesline to dry?
<whitequark> yup
<whitequark> in HK that doesnt work very well during summer, but dehumidifiers here have a "laundry mode"
<whitequark> which is basically a way of saying "force on and set fan to maximum"
<whitequark> it sounds like a jet taking off but dries pretty well
<cr1901_modern> I guess dryers might be an American thing then.
<rqou> apparently dryers exist but aren't popular
<rqou> not like Americans that need so much drying power that gas dryers exist
<cr1901_modern> So do other countries have laundromats, but only the washer part?
<whitequark> rqou: gas dryers?!
<whitequark> cr1901_modern: uhm, not really laundromats
<rqou> apparently according to my father self-service laundromats aren't popular in HK
<cr1901_modern> The oldest Maytags were gas
<whitequark> a washer is basically required in an apt
<cr1901_modern> I see
<whitequark> when I moved in there was no furniture and no way to cook. but it had a washer
* cr1901_modern watches videos of antique appliances being refurbished
<rqou> apparently there are laundry services that charge a fixed price per unit weight of laundry (in HK)
<cr1901_modern> Very interesting
* rqou has not actually used these
<cr1901_modern> Apartment complexes in the US aren't required to have washers
<rqou> my grandmother's apartment in HK has a washer but no dryer
<rqou> cr1901_modern: I mean, looking at my place in Berkeley you would think that nothing is required at all
<whitequark> you mean $FANCY_SCHOOL ? :p
<cr1901_modern> floors aren't required. You must provide your own planks of wood.
<whitequark> cr1901_modern: ahhh you mean san francisco
<rqou> $FANCY_SCHOOL's dorms aren't even required to have area :P
<rqou> it was at 110% capacity not too long ago
<pie_> dryers probs use too much electrooocity
<pie_> or something
<whitequark> rqou: no area? what about the lebesgue measure
<pie_> people obviously havea lebesgue measure of zero
<rqou> anyways, some double rooms were converted into triples and triples into quads
<cr1901_modern> whitequark: Sounds about right nowadays :/
<cr1901_modern> In addition, you must provide your own foundation, walls, and plaster
<rqou> I heard (not confirmed) that they actually removed their housing guarantee
<whitequark> rqou: I thought quads were deprecated
<rqou> not on Sega Saturn :P
<whitequark> lol
<rqou> the men-only dorm is all quads
<rqou> but the rooms are larger than a stereotypical dorm room
<whitequark> gendered dorms?..
<rqou> there are two gendered dorms
<rqou> the other 5? are not
<pie_> sjw should organize orgies
<whitequark> pretty sure the insanely puritan US is about the only place still left with gendered dorms
<cr1901_modern> and let's not start throwing "sjw" around please :/
<whitequark> it's like staring into a portal into 1920
<rqou> it's tradition for the guys in the guys dorm to serenade the girls in the girls dorm once a year
<pie_> rqou, we had something like that xD
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<rqou> whitequark: one of the dorms is actually gendered on the sides of the building and not gendered in the center
<whitequark> rqou: wat
<rqou> so it's F | stairwell | M+F | stairwell | M
<rqou> the men-only dorm is also neat because the outside facade looks like a castle
<rqou> it also has an ancient elevator that got stuck between floors the first and only time I tried to use it
<whitequark> lol
<whitequark> TIL about
<rqou> oh I knew about those
<rqou> it's not that ancient
<rqou> :P
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<azonenberg_hk> rqou, whitequark: At RPI they had gendered wings/floors of buildings
<azonenberg_hk> My freshman dorm was L-shaped and 3 floors
<azonenberg_hk> The girls were all on one leg of the 3rd floor
<azonenberg_hk> i believe there was actually a state law that mandated this to some extent, in particular i believe it was illegal for a university to house females on the ground floor
<azonenberg_hk> presumably some concern about someone forcing their way in through a window or something
<azonenberg_hk> The second year the dorm was a U-shaped quad, when it was built you could move freely along the whole length
<azonenberg_hk> but for fire reasons it was partitioned off some time after it was built (this was one of the older dorms in campus, if not the oldest)
<azonenberg_hk> it's a row-house-style construction, you can now only move freely between adjacent "stacks" and only on the third floor
<azonenberg_hk> So first floor have separate front doors, maybe 4 rooms each
<azonenberg_hk> 2nd floor same deal
<azonenberg_hk> 3rd floor, in my case, you could move between Church V and Church IV but then there was a concrete wall separating you from Church III
<azonenberg_hk> (the quad was more than Church, it was about five or six named chunks side by side)
<azonenberg_hk> Anyway, from what i remember the 3rd floor was primarily female but there were two male rooms, mine included, at one end
<azonenberg_hk> 1/2 were entirely male
<azonenberg_hk> (of my stacks at least, dont know about the rest)
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