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<whitequark> azonenberg: so bizarre
<whitequark> rqou: question. why does HK have signs in public toilets that mandate that no water be taken from them?
<azonenberg_hk> whitequark: the sinks or the toilet itself
<whitequark> fittingly illustrated with a guy filling an aquarium (?) from a hose coming to flush tank (?!)
<azonenberg_hk> possible the handwashing water is not of drinking quality?
<whitequark> azonenberg_hk: flush tank or fire hydrant
<whitequark> the latter, I understand
<whitequark> well it seems implied that it's legal to drink it on the premises?
<azonenberg_hk> my guess is, the toilets are fed by an unmetered source and/or the city pays the bill for them
<whitequark> mhm
<azonenberg_hk> and that water was supplied with a clause that it only be used for sanitary purposes at that location
<whitequark> could be
<pie_> im not sure i would dring tap water from a foreign country without consulting something about whether said tap water is generally drinkable
<pie_> though of course youd expect civilised places to have drinkable tpa water
<pie_> *tap
<azonenberg_hk> pie_: well i've avoided the tap water here
<qu1j0t3> yes, pie_ that's always wise, if in doubt.
<whitequark> pie_: hk definitely has drinkable tap water
<azonenberg_hk> as well as raw vegetables
<pie_> whitequark, ok
<azonenberg_hk> and most foods that are not very heavily cooked
<whitequark> I personally wouldn't drink tap water in a public toilet anywhere though
<azonenberg_hk> this may or may not have something to do with the fact that i'm the only one of my group of 3 who has not caught a stomach bug at some point during the trip
<whitequark> azonenberg_hk: wait really?
<azonenberg_hk> whitequark: Yes
<azonenberg_hk> My other two coworkers both missed at least one day of work
<azonenberg_hk> spending it vomiting in their hotel rooms
<whitequark> hm, I eat a lot of fruit and vegetables and never had any trouble for it
<whitequark> I got it all from "wellcome" though
<azonenberg_hk> never figured out what they got it from
<whitequark> maybe they have good QA?
<pie_> on an unrelated note if you guys like puzzles imo the witness is a gift to humanity as a game
<azonenberg_hk> whitequark: but in any country
<azonenberg_hk> drinking bathroom water is never a great idea
<azonenberg_hk> especially from the toilet tank itself :p
<pie_> psh, have you tried?
<azonenberg_hk> somebody seems to think its a good idea
<pie_> sorry for crap vid
<pie_> look, free mints!
<azonenberg_hk> no vid now
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<whitequark> well cats do it and they stay alive
<whitequark> makes u think
* qu1j0t3 thinks
<qu1j0t3> now look what you've done
<pie_> heh
<azonenberg_hk> whitequark: So now we can look forward to firefox using 5x as much ram as it does today?
<azonenberg_hk> great
<azonenberg_hk> personally i dont trust browser sandboxing or care all that much about inter-tab isolation
<azonenberg_hk> my online banking runs in a separate VM with a separate kernel from my social media
<azonenberg_hk> which is isolated from my mail clinet
<azonenberg_hk> which is isolated from IRC/IM
<azonenberg_hk> if my github tab manages to pwn my digikey tab its not the end of the world
<azonenberg_hk> annoying, sure
<azonenberg_hk> but not catastrophic
<whitequark> I actually expect it to use less RAM because it could contain the leaks
<whitequark> and recycle the processes when closing tabsl
<azonenberg_hk> Oh?>
<azonenberg_hk> I expect you will have each tab leaking at once
<azonenberg_hk> so now you have the same leak in five long-lived tabs = 5x leak rate
<azonenberg_hk> as long as they dont pull a chrome and try to show you every tab at once in the top bar
<azonenberg_hk> that scales very poorly beyond about ten or twenty open tabs
<azonenberg_hk> i cant see titles or anything
<whitequark> mhm
<azonenberg_hk> When you have a couple hundred its impossible
<azonenberg_hk> normally i try to keep browser windows under 100 but sometimes during a research session it creeps up
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<pie_> "sometimes"
<pie_> _a_ research session
<pie_> /100/
<azonenberg_hk> I have had browser windows with 200+ tabs in them
<azonenberg_hk> as i start going off on tangents researching various approaches to a problem
<azonenberg_hk> marking articles to read later
<azonenberg_hk> then i find a solution and dont remember to close the avenues i didnt follow up
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<cr1901_modern1> I wish graphical branching undo/history managers were a thing
<mtp> cr1901_modern1, emacs undo-tree package
<mtp> ;)
<mtp> oh, web browsers? you're fucked,
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<rqou> whitequark, azonenberg_hk: i'm already running ff with e10s force-enabled
<rqou> it doesn't seem to be substantially better or worse
<rqou> except that with e10s somehow pdf.js will hang the browser while loading
<rqou> also, my parents always boil the tap water in HK and consider it non-potable before boiling even if it officially is supposed to be
<rqou> in the past tap water needed to be boiled in both the mainland and in HK
<rqou> and i think you still need to boil tap water in the mainland
<rqou> fruits in vegetables in HK have been fine for me in the past
<rqou> *and
<rqou> mainland is more variable
<whitequark> rqou: I don't drink tap water in HK mostly because the taste is utterly disgusting
<whitequark> just bought an "air pot" today (why is it an air pot anyway)
<rqou> hmm not sure exactly what that is
<whitequark> one of those kettles which keep water at a preset temp and dispense it through a nozzle
<azonenberg_hk> rqou: I don't use pdf.js
<azonenberg_hk> i disable it in all my browsers
<azonenberg_hk> if i want a pdf i download and use a standalone viewer that isn't running in an interpreted language and actually renders correctly
<azonenberg_hk> without taking so long i can see each line in a drawing or row of text appearing over time
<azonenberg_hk> :p
<rqou> yeah idk why PDF.js still has rendering issues
<azonenberg_hk> between speed and display issues i just dont use it
<azonenberg_hk> it's slower and less accurate than qpdfview, evince, etc
<rqou> I wonder if someone has tried evince.js or similar
<rqou> using emscripten
<rqou> PDF.js sounded like a good idea
<rqou> yeah, afaik PDF.js predates asm.js
<rqou> so it's "native" JavaScript
<rqou> I'm more disappointed in shumway
<rqou> (the Flash replacement)
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<rqou> it basically only works on annoying ads and nothing else
<azonenberg_hk> Well if at all possible
<azonenberg_hk> i just block js globally
<azonenberg_hk> we need more sites that have navigation usable without js
<rqou> hey, js is now the most portable programming language
<rqou> like what Java was supposed to be
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<whitequark> balrog: just got my apple touchpad
<whitequark> lol solvespace is utterly unusable with it
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<azonenberg_hk> rqou: because making menus with HTML+CSS is so hard
<rqou> yes, so you do them with an unsigned Java applet instead :P
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<azonenberg_hk> rqou: not an <OBJECT CLSID="{blah}" CODEBASE="http://www.example.com/mycontrol.cab"> tag?
<azonenberg_hk> screw java, go full on native code in the web page
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<rqou> that's even better :P
<rqou> mark it safe for scripting and keep changing clsid to avoid killbits :P
<azonenberg_hk> lol
<azonenberg_hk> And sign it with a cert from realtek because everyone trusts that name
<azonenberg_hk> Or is self-signed better?
<rqou> sign it with a factored Microsoft active directory cert that is missing EKU :P
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<azonenberg_hk> lool
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<cr1901_modern1> EKU?
<azonenberg_hk> Wooo
<azonenberg_hk> Almost outta here
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<rqou> cr1901_modern1: extended key usage
<rqou> it says things like "not allowed for code signing"
<rqou> azonenberg_hk: not enjoying HK? :P
<azonenberg_hk> rqou: more like, not enjoying being away from my lab etc
<rqou> just move the lab to HK :P
<rqou> probably much easier with a mainland visa
<azonenberg_hk> yeeah no way
<azonenberg_hk> if 95% of the population of HK moved to mainland and they changed lots of other things
<azonenberg_hk> maaaaybe :p
<qu1j0t3> hahaha
<rqou> no, I meant that a mainland visa makes getting equipment easier
<azonenberg_hk> rqou: the population density of HK is roughly 20x higher than where i live now
<azonenberg_hk> And i consider THAT too dense
<azonenberg_hk> (~6000 vs ~300 per km^2 iirc)
<rqou> be like my grandfather and live in Tuen Mun :P
<rqou> apparently the story of why my grandparents lived there is pretty great
<rqou> they used to live in Tsing Yi
<rqou> then they visited my parents in the US
<rqou> and decided that they wanted a large house like that too
<rqou> but the only place this size of house/apartment was affordable at the time was Tuen Mun
<rqou> (now it's "nowhere" :P )
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<rqou> not sure if HK or the SF bay area are worse for housing at this point
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<azonenberg_hk> NYC isnt exactly great either
<azonenberg_hk> Or seattle, which is why i live outside the city
<azonenberg_hk> There are people paying 3k/mo for a 1-2br apartment in seattle
<azonenberg_hk> where i am, it's quite a bit less for a full house
<azonenberg_hk> On topic... this was a pretty productive few weeks of coding after hours
<azonenberg_hk> On the flight home i'll try and finish the first round of the greenpak SPI core, missing a few features but usable
<azonenberg_hk> then over xmas i have to test all of the new code i wrote that's never been tried in hardware :p
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<rqou> I actually have hardware with me
<rqou> probably won't have time to run tests till CCC though
<rqou> also, no oscilloscope
<azonenberg_hk> well the other bit is
<azonenberg_hk> i want to write hardware-in-loop unit tests
<azonenberg_hk> Which will take time
<azonenberg_hk> As well as making HiL tests for all of the existing IP blocks i support
<azonenberg_hk> I want this to be a solid, stable, usable tool suite
<rqou> anyways, CCC is likely to become a hackathon of some kind
<rqou> btw anybody here going to be in Frankfurt tomorrow or Berlin the day after that?
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<rqou> lots of likely-illegal green DPSS lasers being sold by hawkers here
<nats`> where are you ? :)
<rqou> Eiffel tower
<nats`> ahh sure :D
<rqou> I suppose China churns out DPSS laser pointers so quickly that crackdowns are ineffective?
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<rqou> offtopic: anyone in the SF bay area have a laser power meter?
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<Lord_Nightmare> rqou: i thought dpss green lasers were legal if they are <5mw power AND they have an IR filter on the output to prevent eye damage?
<Lord_Nightmare> or is that only in the usa
<Lord_Nightmare> >5mw power lasers in the usa need crazy extra stuff like safety interlocks with a key, and other stuff
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<azonenberg_hk> Lord_Nightmare: i know most dpss green lasers in the us, esp cheaper brands, leak badly
<azonenberg_hk> dont know how much of that is legal though
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