ChanServ changed the topic of ##yamahasynths to: Channel dedicated to questions and discussion of Yamaha FM Synthesizer internals and corresponding REing. Discussion of synthesis methods similar to the Yamaha line of chips, Sound Blasters + clones, PCM chips like RF5C68, and CD theory of operation are also on-topic. Channel logs: https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/~h~yamahasynths
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<cr1901_modern> wb superctr and emily
<emily> rip irccloud
<cr1901_modern> If someone's bouncer dies, I will sometimes gently let them know. But only after sufficient time has passed.
* cr1901_modern fun fact: I don't use a bouncer. I just leave my damn laptop on all the time
<emily> both my irccloud and matrix connections were broken for different reasons :')
<cr1901_modern> The matrix channels I'm on were nice enough to add IRC bridges, so I can keep using the IRC client for now.
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<emily> I mean my matrix freenode bridge
<cr1901_modern> Ahhh I see... which connection are you using right now to chat here?
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<doppler> evidently not a very reliable one
<cr1901_modern> :(
<cr1901_modern> IRC seems to be having a stroke for other ppl too
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<andlabs> IRC is great, it's a decentralized network that anyone[netsplit]
<andlabs> afk
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<cr1901_modern> TIL, contrary to what I previously believed, there _is_ in fact a published standard for NTSC: You can download it here: http://dxdlw.com/bbsupfile/2012%5C02%5C10%5C1734201163%5CSMPTE%20170M-2004%20Composite%20Analog%20Video%20Signal--NTSC%20for%20Studio%20Applications.pdf
<ej5> you mean like RS-170A?
<cr1901_modern> TIL that there are at least _two_ published standards for NTSC... I have no idea where to download RS-170A
<ej5> RS-170 was the original B&W standard. the 'A' version added color and became NTSC
<ej5> the sync timings for B&W vs color are close but not exactly the same.
<ej5> for color they adjusted the sync rates just slightly. vertical went from 60hz to 59.94hz
<cr1901_modern> yea, there's something about peaks at multiples of 60Hz that screw things up in color
<ej5> you can go through the math, but basically they wanted to derive everything from integer ratios of 3.579545hz
<cr1901_modern> What was special about 3579545 Hz?
<ej5> the reason for 60hz was to reduce interference from the AC line
<ej5> 3.5795454545454545... was derived from the adjusted sync rates
<ej5> let me see if i can find the explanation...
<cr1901_modern> oh good at least its a rational number
<ej5> hmm, so it's because the chroma freq (3.579545) is an n+0.5 multiple of the line frequency while the audio subcarrier is an integer multiple of the line frequency
<ej5> basically to reduce interference
<ej5> so the old standard you have 4.5MHz/15.75KHz = 285.71. in NTSC they rounded up the relationship to 286
<cr1901_modern> oooh 286
<ej5> (4.5mhz is the audio subcarrier frequency)
<ej5> so 4.5MHz/386=15.734KHz
<ej5> *286 lol
<ej5> and since there are 262.5 lines per field, the field rate is therefore 59.94005994005994...
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<ej5> so how to get to the 3.579545MHz signal? well...
<ej5> remember they wanted a chroma freq that is an n+0.5 multiple of the line frequency
<ej5> so 15.734KHz * 227.5 = 3.57954545...
<cr1901_modern> Nice
<cr1901_modern> I'm sure I just asked you to explain something you tweeted about before, but thanks!
<ej5> i haven't tweeted that. hmm.
<ej5> so anyway the reason for the n+0.5 factor is so that, if intermod distortion happens to the broadcast signal, the beat frequency of the color subcarrier and the audio subcarrier will alternate in phase each line
<ej5> visually, the interference cancels out mostly
<ej5> otherwise you'd get a dot crawl pattern.
<cr1901_modern> ej5: It was doctoranalog, whoops
<ej5> hmm, he hasn't tweeted this year at all
<cr1901_modern> It was a while ago. And I'm sure he's fine- taking a break. Like anyone who isn't too Internet-poisoned should do.
<ej5> 4 years ago lol.
<cr1901_modern> System Essentially Contrary to the American System, or SECAM
<ej5> i have a multiformat VCR that can generate SECAM
<ej5> turns out most modern LCD monitors with composite video inputs can handle SECAM, PAL, and so on
<ej5> but on the oscilloscope, SECAM looks like crap.
<cr1901_modern> lmao
<cr1901_modern> Unrelated: Did you know that if you play a Beta tape in a VHS VCR, the video will be garbled, but the audio will work fine?
<ej5> how'd you figure that out
<cr1901_modern> It's a secret :3
<cr1901_modern> (I watched someone else on YouTube do it)
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<cr1901_modern> Top comment by kargaroc386 is also interesting
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<cr1901_modern> Looks like IRC finally stopped having a stroke. No, I don't ever sleep. Why do you ask?
<ValleyBell> I'm just using my BananaPI for some of the IRC channels.
<ValleyBell> and it runs 24/7
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