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<m4t> oo neat
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<cr1901_modern> Excellent
<cr1901_modern> Is it VIC-20 compat? B/c that's all I have lmao.
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<Lord_Nightmare> i've bee looking at OPL1 datecodes, and I have a feeling that every opl chip ever produced was made between october and december 1985, on one single production line
<Lord_Nightmare> and yamaha discontinued production of it after that, probably in favor of the upcoming opl2 which saw wide release with the adlib in 1987
<andlabs> that just makes me wonder what cuased it to get discontinued quickly
<andlabs> is there some bug we don't know about?
<Lord_Nightmare> no idea
<cr1901_modern> that's... interesting
<cr1901_modern> and makes me want an OPL1 even more
<andlabs> honestly I just want MIT-licensed FM cores that are 100% correct
<cr1901_modern> nuked OPN2 is probably 100% correct or very close to it. Can't help w/ the license tho :P.
<Lord_Nightmare> andlabs: same
<Lord_Nightmare> btw here's a fun fact
<Lord_Nightmare> everyone calls the y8950 an opl plus adpcm
<Lord_Nightmare> but did you know the y8950 is actually OLDER than the opl?
<Lord_Nightmare> that one in particular has a datecode of september 1985
<Lord_Nightmare> i've never seen any opl chip that old
<andlabs> lol
<andlabs> gotta compare the die
<Lord_Nightmare> ok, i stand corrected
<Lord_Nightmare> there was a second run of OPL chips
<andlabs> and I guess I should have clarified what I want: non-licensed or at the very least MIT-licensed or even zlib-licensed netlists
<andlabs> computer-consumable stuff
<andlabs> idk
<andlabs> I'm still amazed people cloned chips back then and yet all that knowledge is somehow gone
<Lord_Nightmare> and i believe the first run (oct-dec 1985) was commissioned by commodore for the SFX (though a few appear on snk arcade games), and the second run was commissioned by taito for bubble bobble, and was made around april 1986
<cr1901_modern> bubble bobble uses a YM2203
<cr1901_modern> Bottom center of the board
<Lord_Nightmare> bubble bobble uses BOTH a ym2203 for sound effects (and the final boss theme) and a ym3526 for the main musics
<cr1901_modern> oops ._.
<Lord_Nightmare> bubble bobble's pcb is based on the taito tokio/scramble formation pcb, which used only a ym2203
<Lord_Nightmare> the final boss theme was the first theme composed, we think
<Lord_Nightmare> and appears on the early prototype bubble bobble on tokio hardware
<cr1901_modern> also thanks I have the damn main theme of bubble bobble stuck in my head now
<cr1901_modern> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTmJJ0lUyQc I will not suffer alone
<Lord_Nightmare> dee doo doo, do-dee do doo doo dee doo doo-doo, doo...
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<cr1901_modern> Indeed :3. It's sickenly cute.
<Lord_Nightmare> RIP MTJ though :(
<Lord_Nightmare> taken too early by kidney cancer
<cr1901_modern> Ouch :(
<Lord_Nightmare> if he was still around i'd love to know the story of why popils never saw a nes or pc-engine releae despite being finished
<Lord_Nightmare> i have a feeling taito flexed at atari and prevented them from releasing it
<Lord_Nightmare> since the characters were very similar to those mtj designed for bubble bobble
<cr1901_modern> Rainbow Islands is also sickenly cute
<Lord_Nightmare> mtj did chack'n pop, bubble bobble, rainbow islands, and volfied
<Lord_Nightmare> at taito
<Lord_Nightmare> and i think he did other stuff too
<Lord_Nightmare> after he left taito he did popils at atari/tengen but it only ever saw a game gear release despite having finished nes/pc-engine/turbografx versions
<Lord_Nightmare> of which jun amanai, the programmer, still has the prototypes
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<andlabs> now do the main theme of rainbow islands :3
<cr1901_modern> andlabs: Aaarrrgh! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNeXw1fB5o8 So! Cute!
<cr1901_modern> Also someones a Wizard of Oz fan
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