<lundman>
i dont like the plug devices. but for me, no network
<lundman>
no network, it cant stream from my 22Tb NAS
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<hipboi>
22Tb
<hipboi>
where can you find so many things put in side
<lundman>
i lie, its only
<lundman>
zpool1 19.0T 8.96T 10.1T 47% ONLINE -
<lundman>
but anyway, what I mean is, everything should be watched over network, that's what its for. Doesnt make any sense to me to hang a bunch of USB drives off your tv dongle sort of thing
<lundman>
and wifi is not an option if you like 1080p
<lundman>
which you must do, if you like media, and want to have a media player :)
<Mazon>
shouldn't wifi be good enough? - even raw bluray is never above 45mbit ?
<Mazon>
and thats only peaks
<lundman>
alas, it is not.. wifi cant do sustained streams
<Mazon>
I'm not saying that we should base media distribution on wifi, but 1080p shouldn't be an issue on wifi
<lundman>
now, I've not tried 'n', but no good
<lundman>
on 'g'
<Mazon>
I've been doing 720 mpeg2 streams on wifi for quite a while - probably 15mbit peaks, but usually 3-7mbit
<Mazon>
(ps3mediaserver, transcoded)
<Mazon>
I've since switched to powerline, which is much better (but still far from the theoretical PHY)
<lundman>
yeah, 720p just about works over wifi nearly all the time
<lundman>
I did transcoding for llink too, works with ps3. but everyone just goes for "ps3mediaserver"
<lundman>
must be the name
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<RaYmAn>
One thing ps3mediaserver did nicely, was that it could just remux mkvs to MPEG4-TS
<RaYmAn>
for PS3
<RaYmAn>
a much cheaper operation than actual transcoding =P
<lundman>
yes, llink does that, just change the container
<Mazon>
my problem is I need the subtitles - so it needs to transcode them :/
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<Marex>
lundman: 22Tb ? nice ;-)
<popolon>
there are still devices that doesn't support MKV container ?
<lundman>
some
<lundman>
ps3, 360 :)
<Marex>
lundman: did you steal memory bank from some gundam or what ? :p
<lundman>
we have 22 of them at work
<popolon>
well ps3 is 6 years old,
<popolon>
not so old
<popolon>
could at least have software to read this (xmbc ?)
<Marex>
lundman: gaming nut, are you ?
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<TomNL>
hipboi: regarding xbmc libs...is there anything more you can tell?
<hipboi>
tell what?
<TomNL>
dont know, you said co-worker made a mistake, but gimli said there has been no new contact
<hipboi>
maybe my workmate is working on it
<hipboi>
with complaining
<lundman>
i know several people holding off on getting A10 based entirely on the xbmc outcome
<lundman>
so one would think allwinner would send some files over :)
<popolon>
there is an arm version of powertop, I would like to run it on my android, default android power stats doesn't write the truth
<TomNL>
lundman: i don't think its just the xbmc, it's about the image of allwinner as an company willing to work with people outside the company
<lundman>
sure, but often chinese companies do just want to come on, flood the market of something, then disappear, this could be allwinners idea too
<lundman>
I tried to buy a pivot as soon as I heard it had xbmc support, but they dont sell outside usa
<TomNL>
i think they will get available (or similar devices) soon outside usa
<TomNL>
but it's a shame, the nice thing of allwinner is the wide variety of devices it's used in
<lundman>
yeah so, will we buy pivot, or.. allwinner
* popolon
hope that allwinner will understand the benefits of more customers worldwide
<lundman>
but 5 mins someone asked me if they should buy mele
<lundman>
I had to say "wait and see what happens with xbmc"
<popolon>
I would like a mele has lightweight working station, but still wait
<TomNL>
popolon: i am also still waiting on good X support to try and use mele as a spice client
<Mazon>
lundman, afaik, pivos will sell it to you for US price + shipping - you just have to mail them directly
<Mazon>
that said, its just a geniatech rebranded, same as cyclone afaik
<lundman>
and yet, its a 2 min tasks to tick "International OK" on their amazon shop
<lundman>
they just dont like my money, its not good enough +)
<Mazon>
I know, it's really anoying with all of these devices not having a proper eu reseller
<Gumboot>
What's " the XBMC outcome"?
<TomNL>
so how big is allwinner as a company anyways?
<lundman>
screw eu :)
<popolon>
big enough to have SoC used in lot of cheap devices
<TomNL>
hipboi: no way to ask your workmate what the status really is? Dont want to put you in any bad position ofcourse, as you already did a lot for the community
<lundman>
buy him a coke, then go ask :)
<popolon>
加油 ;)
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<popolon>
better is to wait, don't do to much pressure
<lundman>
waiting is what caused this problem
<lundman>
i dont think they can take too long, xbmc has already moved on, but show something now and people are still in the frame of mind
<TomNL>
I dont know very much about cultures within chinese companies, thats why i am wondering how things like these work in a company like allwinner
<hipboi>
well, let me tell you how things like of work in allwinner
<hipboi>
mess managment
<hipboi>
no roadmap
<TomNL>
hipboi: but still you make a nice product
<rm>
roadmaps are overrated
<lundman>
just described every midsized company ever
<rm>
management, too :D
<TomNL>
hipboi: how is communication across workmate's...does culture makes it difficult to ask questions?
<ejstacey>
man you're insistent
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<ejstacey>
I guess it's good that a10s are getting to this point
<lundman>
we want them to succeed, and they have a huge chance to do so, if they can sort things out with xbmc
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<TomNL>
ejstacey: you are right i am insistent...i will leave it for now :)
<hipboi>
communication is not hard across the company
<ejstacey>
TomNL: No offense, I'm just of the opinion that if hipboi his workmate get bugged too much, they'll abandon here/this completely and just do it all themselves
<ejstacey>
and we'll get nothing
<lundman>
no, it is already too late
<lundman>
there is a tiny windows where they could come back and interest xbmc
<lundman>
so if nothing does not happen in the next 24 hours, it is over
<ejstacey>
haha
<TomNL>
well lundman I guess...
<TomNL>
*well lundman is rigth I guess...
<lundman>
I'm never right
<lundman>
I like to make stuff up, its my hobby
<popolon>
Hipboi: 我在珠海的海边有一所小公寓。
<hipboi>
popolon: you are rich
<popolon>
not to much :(
<popolon>
too
<orly_owl>
?
<popolon>
not too much
<lundman>
he said he owns a small park.
<popolon>
no a small flat in Zhuhai
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<Boulet>
lundman, i saw the protests here in SZ, was huge !!!
<orly_owl>
lundman: there are companies that will buy on your behalf and ship it to you from the US.
<popolon>
Shenzhen, not SHenzen
<popolon>
lundman, in the article
<popolon>
The protestors on the controversial island was from hongkong, with mainland china and taiwan flags :)
<popolon>
lundman, and at least 3 korean restaurants in paris are owned by japanese
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<popolon>
lundman, warning there are lot of false friend between chinese and japanese usage of hanzi
<popolon>
like between english and french
<Boulet>
like "hao" is good in chinese, and isn't it "love" in japanese ?
<popolon>
no love is the same in both
<popolon>
爱 and with about the same pronounciation
<Boulet>
ah ok
<popolon>
ai
<popolon>
hipboi, I probably pass through 黄冈，when I travel from 黄山 to 武汉。
<hipboi>
hehe, Wuhan is near Huanggang
<popolon>
I just see on OpenStreetMap :)
<popolon>
still no street on OSM, I already done most of 荆州， will start on 黄冈 if there is precise enough aerial photographies
<popolon>
not good enough for now :(
<popolon>
我非常喜欢鄂菜 ^ ^。
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<popolon>
lundman, park in japanese is like in traditionnal chinese : 公園 , in simplified : 公园, not the same than flat in chinese : 公寓, in japanese they use the english word, so katakana : アパート
<popolon>
appart
<popolon>
apart
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<Marex>
popolon: apa-to ;-)
dyoung-away is now known as dyoung
<popolon>
apaato ?
<popolon>
:)
<popolon>
I seen yesterday than omicron is used in latin too
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<raver2046>
hello
<raver2046>
i have formated my sata hdd in ext3 to put it in my mele a1000 android net top and that say to me in the storage menu "click to install sdcard" when i click it doesn't happend anything what can i do ?
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<xenoxaos>
apaato.....apartment iirc
<tavish3>
hi, i have the amery/linux-allwinner linux source. the build_sun4i.sh script seems to be trying to build the modules/mali directory(along with a few more, had this succeeded), while there is no modules/mali directory. Is this supposed to be like that?
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<hipboi>
tavish3: the buid_sun4i.sh is no longer used
<tavish3>
hipboi: oh
<hipboi>
try make ARCH=arm [uz]Image instead
<tavish3>
hipboi: will it pick up the .config for sun4i by default?
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<tavish3>
hipboi: thanks
* tavish3
feels stupid
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<TomNL>
hipboi: seems there is communication with gimli again. thnx to allwinner :)
<phh>
waaaaaaaaaat ?
<TomNL>
waaaat?
<phh>
allwinner communicating
<phh>
that suonds weird.
<TomNL>
hehe apparantly they apologized
<orly_owl>
gimli is a company? they apolised for?
<TomNL>
gimli is developper of xbmc
<phh>
orly_owl: wake up.
<orly_owl>
im awake
<orly_owl>
just not hip enough
* orly_owl
turns cap sideways
<Dandel>
TomNL: I know that the issue is more that the major SOC's support OpenMax IL w/o android ( so it's broadcom, TI, nvidia, and as for amlogic they have user space that's easier to use directly from ffmpeg )
<TomNL>
Dandel: yes thats true, but if they could make the changes gimli is suggesting maybe the adaption towards ffmpeg is getting easier
<Dandel>
i know that my projects actually do have major features dependent on being able to do as much as possible from lowest levels... namely a small image with glibc ( or uclibc ), busybox, client libs, and a few other things ( but nothing anywhere near as complex as android/x11/xorg )
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<rm>
the painting guy on that assembly line got some new buckets of paint
<Marex>
Tsvetan: yo! ;-)
<Marex>
Tsvetan: otavio got that mx23 uboot running in the end, just before his vacation
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<Tsvetan>
Marex: great news!
<Tsvetan>
Marex: if you want to play with A13 Uboot let me know I have board for you ;)
<specing>
aliexpress has a 50% off day?
<specing>
30$ A10?
<specing>
That would be cheaper than the RPI lol
<Marex>
Tsvetan: I'm dead busy with some project now, so I can't really ... I'll try to help hno pushing the A10 and A13 support into upstream uboot though
<xxiao>
specing: where did you see that 50% off?
<specing>
aliexpress site
<specing>
hipboi's stuff is not
<specing>
It seems it is selective, they change the articles on sale every hour
<popolon>
that's the role of the DMA to transfert data, not of the SoC
<traeak>
a bit shame, the a10 based netbook should have provided a way to connect an internal 1.8 or 2.5 sata
<popolon>
notebook with Rockchip arm, 4usb & hdmi, 1GB ram, not so bad
<xxiao>
the problem, why do I want to run android on a netbook?
<popolon>
I want to remove it and install linux on it :)
<traeak>
USB is a host controlled protocol. Very little is typically offloaded at the chipset level. With SATA the chipset controls "most of it and the CPU deals with the data as little as possible."
<xxiao>
the firt thing i like to do with mk802 is to get rid of that android
<popolon>
but use a tablet with those pocket+keyboard stuff should be about the same
<xxiao>
traeak: that's correct
<xxiao>
one perspective is that you need a usb stack to run usb, for SATA there is no stack, just a hardware drive
<xxiao>
s/drive/driver/
<ibot>
xxiao meant: one perspective is that you need a usb stack to run usb, for SATA there is no stack, just a hardware driver
<xxiao>
so for high-performance NAS/SAN nobody uses usb drives
<popolon>
sure :)
<xxiao>
but for home and small business USB is more convenient
<popolon>
that's good enough for streaming vidéo
<traeak>
depends on your slowest link
<traeak>
gigabit right now i think would be the bottleneck even with usb3, especially if all the soc is doing is serving the files
<traeak>
but point is well taken
<xxiao>
similar situation when you want to use usb-wifi-stick with a MCU, the usb-protocol could kill the MCU when it's busy
<xxiao>
traeak: that's when you need run network-storage, for local backup it should be fine
<popolon>
for now A10 only support 10/100 ether and usb 2.0, no sata, USB 3.0 or Gb ether
<popolon>
that's already enough for lot of usages
<xxiao>
A10 does have SATA
<xxiao>
i hope they can have a A15(that is, after A10, and A13) that has no codec and i can buy at $2 a piece
<traeak>
yup, the a10 has sata but no gigabit or pci-e
<traeak>
and hopefully they don't cut out the sata
<xxiao>
look at powerpc 8308, it's 400Mhz cpu, but runs 2 gibabit ethernet and one pcie, and usb2/mmc/etc
<xxiao>
1Ghz arm could not match that, the internal soc performance is still very lacking in ARM, if codec is not the major focus
<traeak>
anyone doing anything with it that's price competitive with x86 based solutions?
<traeak>
if the ppc8308 has altivec that would be nice
<xxiao>
traeak: quite some customers using that as far as i know
<traeak>
xxiao: consumer level ?
<xxiao>
yes, storage box, gateway,etc
<xxiao>
1.3W, guaranteed for 10-year-long supply
<xxiao>
i would love to find ARM that can do the same without codec inside
<Gumboot>
What's this bit-rate comparison business??
<Gumboot>
Look back at USB2 versus Firewire-400. USB2 has the higher headline figure, but Firewire has the higher transfer rates.
<Gumboot>
I think USB2 got something like half its headline, while Firewire got most of its headline.
<Gumboot>
That's before you get to software overheads.
<Gumboot>
USB2 is a screaming disaster for mass storage. I haven't looked at USB3, but my working assumption is that it's not going to be much better.
<xxiao>
Gumboot: i do use usb3, it's very cpu intensive
<popolon>
which documentation about allwinner A10 is the good and uptodate
<Gumboot>
I thought that might be the case.
<popolon>
because I don't see any reference to SATA in mine
<popolon>
oops sorry
<popolon>
miss something
* xxiao
used TI usb3 over a pcie switch
<popolon>
well not really clear
<popolon>
I have the 1.00 version from august 22 2011
<specing>
I already use DM-Crypt for local storage
<dolapevich>
andrewfs was a big hope on that sense, but was too complex.
<dolapevich>
anyway, using ocfs2 + some user lever encription should work.
<dolapevich>
I never did that through.
<dolapevich>
What are you planning to do?
<specing>
home network :)
<dolapevich>
:P
<dolapevich>
I was not aware but it looks OCFS2 supports transparent encription.
<traeak>
ftp is simple and fast
<traeak>
i use it now and then for bulk internal transfers
<dolapevich>
Indeed. anyway, the design principle was ok at the 80´s not now. Having two ports for data and control makes no sense now. Specially if the server must initiate a connectiong to the client :P
<dolapevich>
and many ftp daemons are so broken that they can´t do a 2 gigs ftp transfer.
<dolapevich>
but it is an option, indeed
<traeak>
answer to clustered filesystem security == subnet
<traeak>
heh
<dolapevich>
yes, or freeswan ipsec is an option too...
<dolapevich>
good luck with that anyway :P
<traeak>
i guess i've had too many bad experiences with condor clustering
<traeak>
which is itself truly a cluster something
<dolapevich>
never used that...
<traeak>
when i was forced to work with it there was no Q&D setup option
<traeak>
regardless of what you did you had to learn aobut and fully set up security policy
<traeak>
my take was that if i'm going to run a computational cluster i'm going to subnet it and handle security that way
<xxiao>
kernel code is really just the first step, need all the pieces, and not sure if AML even talks to other players when you want to deal with codec related stuff
<xxiao>
do they have datasheet, even schematic etc...
<j1nx>
you can use AMplayer which talks to the in-kernel VPU driver
<j1nx>
Utilizing AMplayer it can even play uncompressed VC-1 BD without breaking a sweat
<j1nx>
something different. I have a sample of that rockchip comming my way next monday. Anybody know Rockchip their standpoint about sources?
<xxiao>
very closed
<xxiao>
i was told their leading engineer is ignorant about open source comparing to allwinner, from one single source though
<j1nx>
that's what I thought
<xxiao>
can't verify that, and it appears to be correct as i hardly can find any RK code
<j1nx>
Indeed hard to find any code released by them. Can't find any info about their VPU as well
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<Mazon>
bummer
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<Dandel>
hi j1nx
<j1nx>
hi Dandel
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<Turl>
dolapevich: samba ran like crap on my A10 device too
<Turl>
dolapevich: I moved over to NFS and it runs smoothly
<Marex>
Turl: might rather be your network settings
<Turl>
Marex: I poked the settings quite a bit
<Turl>
Marex: it's not like it was 400K slower though
<Turl>
samba was like <1MB/s
<Turl>
NFS gives me 8+MB/s
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<phh>
Turl: hum i can see 1080p high bitrate H264 on samba on my H24
<phh>
it's on ethernet thouogh
<Turl>
phh: mine is on eth too
<Turl>
I run a samba server on my a10
<Turl>
not as client/cifs mount
<phh>
ah server ok
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<dolapevich>
Turl: thanks, and sorry, I was AFK.
<dolapevich>
I can try to use nfs, but the SFU thing for windows is far from stable.
<dolapevich>
in fact, I don´t know if there is such a thing anymore.
<dolapevich>
as usual, windows becomes the minimum common denominator :P
<dolapevich>
divisor, I mean
<Turl>
ah, so you need windows support
<Turl>
sftp was 'decent' when compared with smb
<Turl>
the encryption killed most of the throughput though