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<eflatun>
hi all
<RaYmAn>
morning :)
<HeHoPMaJIeH>
Morning
<eflatun>
How about the developing process of Amd T40E and type III EOMA-68 ? thank you
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<mnemoc>
moin
<kaspter>
morning
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<calris>
Good evening (or morning if your on the wrong side of the planet ;))
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<mnemoc>
calris: in irc it's always monring when you arrive and night when you leave
<calris>
lol - let's play spot the newbie :)
<calris>
I thought I should drop on by while I wait for my Mele A2000 to arrive - I understand a number of you are playing around with it a bit
<calris>
I'm going to use it to familiarize myself with Linux & U-Boot development for ARM (been hacking U-Boot for ~4 years now but not on ARM)
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<mnemoc>
calris: the mele a2000 is very nice for hacking, and as with other A10-based devices you can get jtag+uart out of the SD slot while pushing bare-metal binaries over usb (fel)
<mnemoc>
rm: I'm tagging -r0 to mark the first upstream merge of that given version
<calris>
I've been talking to Tom, Henrik and Jorgen so I'm fairly well up to speed
<calris>
I'm gathering all the info I can find on the net and putting together a wiki to link it all together
<calris>
JTAG via SD is not something I have seen a lot of detail about. Tom is sending an adapter with me order (gotta love his service), but I don't have an debugger yet - any suggestions?
<calris>
mnemoc: Are you the owner of the amery U-Boot branch on github?
<RaYmAn>
what's missing wrt JTAG via SD? :)
<calris>
Knowledge :)
<mnemoc>
I have a flyswatter from tincantools, RaYmAn uses a less expensive "clone" from dangerous prototypes
<RaYmAn>
mnemoc: pfft :P even with quotes that's wrong
<calris>
Yes, I have heard of flyswatter
<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: :)
<RaYmAn>
it's a class of devices using a FTDI chip that has JTAG support
<mnemoc>
calris: I am amery, yes. the preferred uboot repo is hno's
<RaYmAn>
so they aren't really clones of eachother, they are all just built on top of that chip :P
<calris>
Yes, Henrik's
<calris>
I assume you mean the Bus Pirate?
<RaYmAn>
I use Dangerous prototypes Bus Blaster V2
<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: =)
<RaYmAn>
it's 35$ which is certainly quite cheap =P
<calris>
I have offered Tom and Henrik my services to help get A10 support into mainline U-Boot
<calris>
As the x86 maintainer, I kind of know how things work ;)
<RaYmAn>
it'll probably require a fair amount of changes, but it'd definitely be cool to get mainline support :)
<calris>
I've already had a quick look - it should not take much
<calris>
Do it in steps - Basic A10 support then basic board then expand from there
<calris>
It does not have to be all singing and dancing from day one
<calris>
I'm especially excited about SPL support
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<calris>
Wow, that wasn't half embarrassing :(
<calris>
Turns out "/quit" in Pidgin is rather 'terminal'
<Turl>
/quit everywhere is terminal
<Turl>
you want /part possibly
<Turl>
furan: I think mine is 8000mAh
<Turl>
welcome back mnemoc :)
<mnemoc>
Turl: thanks ;-)
<Turl>
mnemoc: I integrated the newest mali driver to match hipboi libs ;) check it out when you get a chance
* mnemoc
didn't know people used uboot on x86
<Turl>
o.O
<calris>
mnemoc: They don't :(
<mnemoc>
calris: :)
<calris>
mnemoc: I've done a few architectural things which spread from x86 (like proper relocation) - hacking ELF headers is fun (not!)
<Turl>
mnemoc: there's a bit of makefile tweaking needed still, they added (kinda) proper inline build support
<calris>
Turl: What about the HD video decode (or is gimli about the only one dealing with that)?
<Turl>
so we've got CONFIG_MALI400 and such now
<mnemoc>
Turl: can you open a ticket with the details?
<Turl>
calris: for !android, gimli is the one
<Turl>
mnemoc: sure
<mnemoc>
Turl: and please, don't suggest calris to /part :p
<calris>
I wanted to /part the cynagenmod tenderloin channels... I /quit instead
<calris>
Al Pidgin dropped freenode completely - had to restart to get it back
<mnemoc>
calris: ah, cool. you can /part those ;-)
<calris>
Turl: Not too interested in Android on A2000 (use my HP TouchPad for that) - Will be doing raw Linux hacking on the A2000
<rm>
everyone should have their personal wiki about A10
<rm>
the more the better!
<Turl>
rm: :P
* rm
has one too
<rm>
yep
<calris>
Mine will be for all my dev work... been looking at the Trim Slice too
<calris>
Too many $ :(
<Mazon>
fwiw and IMO trimslice and cubox is a waste of money - there is no support and the community around them are not very active
<calris>
mnemoc: are you with rhombus?
<calris>
I'm waiting for a cheap A2000 style device with a Tegra 3
<Mazon>
strip a nexus 7 and hack it to pieces :)
<Mazon>
why tegra3? - need the GPU?
<Mazon>
if you need the CPU, get an O-DroidX
<calris>
Why not ;)
<calris>
Too many choices
<calris>
I only had one x86 board I could hack on
<calris>
Now I have a TouchPad'
<Mazon>
tegra 3 doesn't make sensem unless you need GPU
<calris>
,Raspberry Pi and A2000
<calris>
And my wife has a Tegra 3 Iconia
<RaYmAn>
the biggest annoyance with tegra 3 is that almost all tegra devices are fairly locked down
<mnemoc>
calris: I like the eoma68 idea, but I'm not related to RT
<Mazon>
I home the imx6 will be fairly open
<RaYmAn>
even if e.g. nexus7 is unlockable, it's still possible to brick it in such a way that only a low-level recovery can fix it (which would be possible if it wasn't locked down)
<calris>
mnemoc: so who are rt? Do they hang out here?
<Mazon>
luke does
<mnemoc>
sometimes :|
<Mazon>
but I wouldn't hold my breath for eoma-68
<rz2k>
RaYmAn: have any link to read about this? I will recieve nexus7 in 3-7 days, worth reading for me.
<RaYmAn>
rz2k: not really - It's not really documented anywhere.
<rz2k>
I was surprised when I googled "nexus 7 uart" and there was nothing
<rz2k>
are people really so slow ?
<RaYmAn>
yeah
<rz2k>
:/
<RaYmAn>
I'm kind of waiting for a suitable cable to be able to test it
<RaYmAn>
they appear to use UART on the headphone port
<rz2k>
i have usbee dx clone, will probe all testpoints
<RaYmAn>
but whether this is present in production devices as well, i don't know
<RaYmAn>
rz2k: also, the bricking stuff I mentioned is mostly related to bootloader updates and similar. Low-level recovery (similar to fel in type - called APX/nvflash) can easily fix that
<calris>
Is there any way the a10 BROM can be reflashed?
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<RaYmAn>
calris: no. ROM == readonly memory =P It's written (well, masked I guess?) during production and is unchangable.
<phh>
yeah ... sure ... :p
<phh>
well for brom ok
<calris>
Thought so... I wonder if it's possible to get un-programmed A10 chips...(just a thought...)
<RaYmAn>
why would you want to re-program the BROM anyways?
<calris>
For fun :p
<RaYmAn>
phh: it's really a huge misuse of the word to call e.g. phone/tab software "ROM" :P
<calris>
Picky much ;)
<calris>
If your old enough, you would remember real ROMs :) the term just stuck
<calris>
Image CyaniGen releasing 'EEPROM's
<calris>
CyanoGen
<RaYmAn>
that would be kind of cool :P, quite inaccurate, but yeah ;)
<RaYmAn>
(no more than it is now I guess :P)
<RaYmAn>
what is "real ROMs" in your world?
<calris>
Burn once read only memory chips
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<Gumboot>
We skipped over masked ROM somewhere, there.
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<Gumboot>
But OTP takes us back to the days when bricked meant bricked.
<RaYmAn>
yeah, but software bricks were kind of hard to pull off then ;)
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<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: how much did you pay for yours (total)?
<RaYmAn>
I don't remember exactly
<mnemoc>
I think I'll buy a N7 tomorrow (today is the last day of the cycle of my CC).. 249E+10E
<Turl>
mnemoc: weird they didn't follow the tech 1USD=1EUR
<RaYmAn>
159GBP + UK shipping+ ~15GBP shipping
<mnemoc>
Turl: Isn't it $199/$249 too?
<Turl>
ah, didn't know there was two models :P
<mnemoc>
8/16GB
<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: uhm... that's like 40E cheaper...
<Turl>
mnemoc: eh?
<Turl>
159 British pounds = 251.4108 U.S. dollars
<Turl>
if anything it looks more expensive to me
<mnemoc>
Turl: I'm comparing GBP vs. EUR, not USD
* Turl
fails
<mnemoc>
USD implies extra import tax, GBP doesn't
<mnemoc>
175GBP is like 220EUR, while the price is EUR is 260
<RaYmAn>
yeh..If I ordered from US, i'd get uhm, 25% VAT + processing fee of around 15-20EUR
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<Turl>
weren't imports in .eu exempt of taxes until 1kEUR or something?
<Turl>
I think someone told me that once :|
<RaYmAn>
no
<RaYmAn>
within EU, sure
<phh>
at least in france it's for taxes < 60€
<mnemoc>
in .es regular "letters" (up to 2kg) are generally left alone by the customs
<RaYmAn>
(not sure there's a limit)
<RaYmAn>
mnemoc: doesn't mean they are excempt ;)
<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: exactly
<phh>
(which means for ~ <300€)
<RaYmAn>
technically speaking, I think you're required to report it yourself and volountariy pay it =P
<mnemoc>
^^
<Turl>
lol
<Turl>
here imports are exempt if <25USD
<Turl>
supposedly, once per calendar year
<RaYmAn>
yeah - we have some exemptions here as well
<mnemoc>
last time I had a package catched (some *free* sample relay boards sent using express mail) they holded it for a week, then send me a form that took another week to arrive, pay by wire transfer (tax over stimated sales price + handling + reshipping), and then wait another week for them to ack the payment and reship :<
<mnemoc>
so I ended up paying more than the cost of the boards+shipping and took over 2w longer than the same sent using regular post :<
<mnemoc>
since then, RR-only
<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: did you get the nand-unification working in 3.0 with .config compatibility?
<phh>
Turl: ah, it's the exempt it's for every package
<phh>
in france*
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<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: if not i'll give it a try tonight
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<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: btw, did you get your olinuxino? does it boot from uSD?
<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: err... I mean, does the uSD work?
<RaYmAn>
mnemoc: No. but I think basically it's because I made the options hidden.. I think if you make them public again and then just select the nand_sunxi , I think it should work
<RaYmAn>
mnemoc: no, hasn't been sent yet
<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: do you know if hno received his? or got lost?
<RaYmAn>
he did
<mnemoc>
neighbor had it?
<RaYmAn>
yeh
<mnemoc>
:)
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<BoozeWooz>
hi
<Turl>
hi BoozeWooz
<BoozeWooz>
how you do this red text :D?
<BoozeWooz>
o_O ?
<Turl>
eh? o.O
<Turl>
BoozeWooz: like this? o.O
<BoozeWooz>
yes!
<phh>
that's called highlight -_-'
<phh>
BoozeWooz: i can do it too ! :D
<Turl>
BoozeWooz: :P
<BoozeWooz>
hmpf..
<BoozeWooz>
highlight
<Turl>
put your name on the sentence :P
<Turl>
like BoozeWooz: oha
<Turl>
i
<phh>
Turl: most irc clients doesn't do self highlight
<BoozeWooz>
hmm im pretty sure there are european bases in US
<traeak>
hehe, i'm not going to spark any huge debate though :-p
<xxiao>
usa is been taking by our spanish friends, just be patient and wait ....
<popolon>
I don't believe there are native american in us government :)
<xxiao>
i mean hispanic friends
<BoozeWooz>
murika
<popolon>
spanish are europeans too
<traeak>
xxiao: a lot of hispanic friends have left because the economy is now worse in the US than their own countries
<popolon>
spanish invaded some part of asia too
<traeak>
talking on friday with a guy apparently central american speakers don't understand spanish speakers very well, almnost different languages now :-p
<BoozeWooz>
no hablo ingleis
<popolon>
not really true
<traeak>
he called it "catalan" not sure what he called his own dialect
<mnemoc>
popolon: go to any travel agency in spain and you'll see tons of references to .es not been part of europe ;-)
<BoozeWooz>
huh
<popolon>
lot of argentinians, chilians in europe they can generally exchange with spanish people without problems
<mnemoc>
we travel *to* europe for vacations
<popolon>
but well, that's probably the same problem that between french sepaking canadians and french
<BoozeWooz>
well after bankrupcy i agree, no more europe
<BoozeWooz>
greece is plenty enough
<popolon>
or probably english and unitedstaters and canadians
<traeak>
south america may be more pure spanish, can't say
<BoozeWooz>
canada speaks french too
<popolon>
BoozeWooz, but if greece follow the pathway of island
<mnemoc>
europe has always began on the pyrenees
<xxiao>
the big question is that, the global economic crisis, will it lead to a war of some sort?
<popolon>
=> banksters in jail, economy ok
<traeak>
politicians in jail, economy ok
<traeak>
hehe
<popolon>
that was the idea of the second political group in last greek election
<traeak>
look to the real criminals, the ones that take all the tax money and give it to their friends
<popolon>
traeak, yes bankster + politicians
<popolon>
europole help islandish govt to catch lot of them :)
<popolon>
(europole = european police)
<BoozeWooz>
naw
<BoozeWooz>
conspiracy
<xxiao>
bankster + politicans + foodstampers
<BoozeWooz>
thery
<popolon>
to their friends or fiscal paradise, wher the money disappear
<popolon>
now some big companies try to make pressure to us gvt to don't taxe companies that want to push back cash from those fiscal paradizes to us
<popolon>
BoozeWooz, well french speakings canadian series are subbed in france :)
<BoozeWooz>
wat
<traeak>
french don't matter so much :-p
<BoozeWooz>
they survive ww2 thou
<traeak>
seems like a few spanish are well involved in hardware hacking nowadays
<traeak>
so my respect ont hat level goes up
<BoozeWooz>
french
<traeak>
the only thing i know about the french is that they like ot run :-p
<traeak>
hehe
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<traeak>
okay back to work
<BoozeWooz>
jo
<popolon>
generally easier to understand west african people that speak french than canadians native french speakers
<BoozeWooz>
hmmm naw for me the're both not understandable
<BoozeWooz>
dunno french really
<traeak>
yeah interesting a girl from ivory coast has been going to our church. her english is actually pretty good
<popolon>
i meet in china an ivory coast girt, she speak perfectly french, english, chinese and I suppose wolof
<traeak>
so probably good education there
<traeak>
funny she's waiting to go up to canada (for immigration), her husband is working there
<BoozeWooz>
yeah
<popolon>
she was studing in wuhan, i meet her in wuhan street, we was buying some lamb meat brochettes at a local chinese muslim
<traeak>
hmm
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<popolon>
really nice with chili and cumin :p
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<traeak>
uigers (ulgers?)
<popolon>
perhaps hui, don't know
<popolon>
didn't ask him
<popolon>
there are several muslim minorities in china
<popolon>
and mandchous & mongols was generally muslims too, before
<popolon>
so lamb meat is really popular in beijing, not far of mongolian and mandchous aeras
<popolon>
and dog meat too, due to korea proximity :p
<BoozeWooz>
hmppff
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<popolon>
but far less than lamb brochettes :)
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<traeak>
and in the south anything and everything is eaten
<traeak>
hehe
<popolon>
everything that have 4 legs can be eaten bug tables and chairs :))
<popolon>
that's approximativly a cantonses proverb
<popolon>
cantonese
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<TomNL>
j1nx: seems allwinner has sent some update, as gimli is back on his old dev path?
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<mnemoc>
HeHoPMaJIeH: hi, please poke me when you have time to help me debugging the SD slot of the olinuxino-a13 :)
<j1nx>
* j1nx whistles a "i know nothing" kind of tune
<TomNL>
hehe ok j1nx :)
* mnemoc
is very sad all that work is not been done in public
<TomNL>
mnemoc: it will probably be public in the end ;-)
<RaYmAn>
TomNL: it's still kind of odd to work in private
<RaYmAn>
I'm sure everyone can understand not wanting to bother with users asking questions constantly, but that's another matter.
<TomNL>
RaYmAn: keeping it non-public is getting users to ask annoying questions too :). But it's up to the dev to choose. I am happy gimli is investing time, however I would be very happy to see for example a github account to follow progress
<mnemoc>
non-public fails to keep annoying questions away, but succeeds in keeping other developers and potential contributors away and slows everything down
* mnemoc
sad
<mnemoc>
and iainb's RE seems halt too :'( ... no commit in the last 2 weeks
<gimli>
TomNL: i'm great in ignore anying questins
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<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: just tried cherrypicking the sun[45]i_nand merge from 3.4 and http://dpaste.com/792281/plain/ was enough to restore .config compatiblity
<mnemoc>
tristate+select works as expected, y->y, m->m, n->n
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