<lundman>
weird, I got intel dev.. then they dropped their tv soc
<lundman>
and now they seem to be back
<popolon>
probably after the success of arm & mips SoC
<popolon>
and the too huge amount of energy needed for what they call [("apu")]
<lundman>
late 2013, sounds like they will miss the party
<popolon>
they do that in GPU world too, few years ago
<popolon>
done
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<markvandenborre>
can I install debian to the internal nand of the mele a2000?
<markvandenborre>
I'm googling and coombing through the wiki, but it's not entirely clear to me...
<markvandenborre>
I guess I could put debian onto the nand and point uboot at it some way...
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<RaYmAn>
markvandenborre: it's definitely possible. The easiest way is probably to create a suitable debian boot.img (ANDROID format), flash it to nandc (I think) and have it boot from whatever nand partition you dump the rootfs on.
<markvandenborre>
ok, that sounds like a fun adventure
<markvandenborre>
I'm willing to go through that
<markvandenborre>
and document everything as extensively as possible
<lundman>
yeah boot SD card, mount your nand, and write an image to it, with uboot etc
<markvandenborre>
lundman: you have done that before?
<markvandenborre>
I have a mele a2000 sitting here, with a serial console
<markvandenborre>
and I was just hesitating to order a few of these devices until I am reasonably sure that works
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<markvandenborre>
so thank you both!
<lundman>
i never took that step
<lundman>
but I did replace the android kernel by doing that
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<lundman>
and if you stuff up nand, you can boot the regular SD to restore nand again, so I dont think you can brick it
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<markvandenborre>
lundman: you mean just dd whatever is on the nand before fiddling with it, right?
<lundman>
I did yes, for easy recovery. But the official firmware is "SD boot" which programs the nand
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<markvandenborre>
problem is I want to exclusively use the SD card for something else
<lundman>
sure, its only for the one boot when you write the OS to nand
<mnemoc>
hopefully soon we will be able to do that using fel too...
<RaYmAn>
we know it works in theory at least:P
<RaYmAn>
(well - in practice too - one one device at least :P)
<mnemoc>
:)
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<markvandenborre>
mnemoc: you seem to know a bit more about this?
<mnemoc>
i know nothing
<markvandenborre>
oh, you're Manuel from Barcelona :p
<mnemoc>
nope
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<The-Compiler>
heya
<The-Compiler>
just got my Mele, but forgot the chinese to european power supply adapter :(
<mnemoc>
any USA/EU adapter will work too
<mnemoc>
the power supply is 100-240V
<The-Compiler>
would have been 0.89$ in the same shop... now heading to a local shop and probably I will pay like $30 for some universal power supply >_<
<The-Compiler>
yeah I know, but it is flat, not round
<mnemoc>
order a dozen 0.89$ adapters so you don't have this problem next time :p
<Mazon>
doesn't these chinese power supplies suck anyway? - lots of noise etc etc
<mnemoc>
I don't know about the performance, but the power supply of my mele doesn't buzz
* mnemoc
really eager to see the final design for the cubieboard and a10-olinuxino
<Mazon>
aye, still 512 MB ram and single core :(
<mnemoc>
there are many use cases where A10/1GB is a great choice... but 512MB is sad :<
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<mnemoc>
the hidden magic ubuntu does with chroot and qemu-arm-static is sort of scary
<RaYmAn>
it's not really ubuntu - it's just binfmt :P
<mnemoc>
binfmt searchs for the emulator?
<mnemoc>
even more scary
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<RaYmAn>
no, binfmt is setup to know what to use for specific ID's
<mnemoc>
:)
<RaYmAn>
it works with mono too if setup right
<RaYmAn>
so you can just ./some.exe and it runs mono some.exe
<mnemoc>
:o
<RaYmAn>
ubuntu does kind of hide some of it for sure
<RaYmAn>
but it's a kernel feature really
<mnemoc>
it's very useful :)
<Turl>
:o new mele
<mnemoc>
sata seems internal this time
<The-Compiler>
back
<Turl>
it's interesting how mele keeps iterating over the same board and hw
<The-Compiler>
regarding ordering from somewhere else: I like the idea of supporting small individuals, but I've been a DX customer for years (I guess I ordered a total of over $2000 from them) but there I know I won't have any problems when it's dead on arrival
<The-Compiler>
and they are cheap and reasonably fast (took 12 days from ordering until it arrived)
<mnemoc>
The-Compiler: it this case Tom is not a random small individual, it's the author of the u-boot port, maintainer of the mali libraries for linux, responsible of GPLing the previously "all rights reserved" kernel code released by Qware and a fellow of this irc channel ;-)
<mnemoc>
but sure, it's up to you to choose from who you buy
<The-Compiler>
hat off to him then, but I still didn't know about him before :P
<popolon>
The-Compiler, do you have an eeepc or a japanese camera charger ?
<The-Compiler>
nope
<popolon>
ok, because they contains both the detachable asia=>europe adapter
<popolon>
at least nikon DSLR and asus eeepc
<The-Compiler>
well, I have a working adapter now, so what :)
<popolon>
oh, ok
<popolon>
but can be usefull else in case of (just remember this)
<The-Compiler>
hmm, the mele _should_ be able to boot from SDHC cards, right?
<lundman>
yeah
<The-Compiler>
trying to get archlinuxarm on it, now I don't get any output when plugging it in (nothing on VGA/HDMI/Composite)
<lundman>
although every 2nd power off/on for me
<The-Compiler>
do I need any special bootargs in the uEnv.txt to have output?
<The-Compiler>
now the TTL to USB adapter which didn't arrive yet would be handy...
<The-Compiler>
hmmm if I get it right a framebuffer-driver is missing anyways... so let's hope it answers to ARP requests so I can get the IP and ssh into it
<The-Compiler>
damn, no luck... anyone else running (Arch)Linux on their Mele?
<mnemoc>
the maintainer of arch for a10 is here, but I forgot his nick :<
<RaYmAn>
WarheadsSE?
<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: yes, thank you :)
<mnemoc>
vacations side-effect :p
<RaYmAn>
brain malfunction? :P
<mnemoc>
:)
<mnemoc>
The-Compiler: since yesterday we have fbcon for sun4i
<The-Compiler>
mnemoc: haha. I have no idea how I'd install that though. Is it just a module or so?
<mnemoc>
The-Compiler: you need to build your own kernel
<The-Compiler>
well, I didn't cross-compile much yet, but I might give it a try.
<The-Compiler>
on the other hand I don't have an idea if the kernel even boots...
<The-Compiler>
interestingly enough it seems to have eth link
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<CIA-16>
rhombus-tech: PEPE master * r46c5d682c177 /allwinner_a10/orders/CLBBEMP55G.mdwn: after seeing more specs, it isn't what I want
<Turl>
mnemoc: :O fbcon? :D
<mnemoc>
Turl: feedback welcomed ;-)
<mnemoc>
I'll make a tag after people confirm it works fine and then jump to the next 3.0.x and add your updated mali
<Turl>
:)
<Turl>
I don't have any use for fbcon tbh, but it's gonna come in handy for many people :)
<mnemoc>
you can still test it and take some pictures for PR purposes :p
<The-Compiler>
hmm, I'm pretty certain it does not boot at all
<The-Compiler>
and I have no idea why
<Turl>
The-Compiler: what compiler are you using?
<Turl>
when I build with 4.6, the USB stack blows up and kpanics
* mnemoc
uses 4.6.3...
<Turl>
mnemoc: do you have OTG?
<mnemoc>
that only works on android iirc
<Turl>
... which casually is what I use :P
<RaYmAn>
it's kind of odd it only works with android :S
<RaYmAn>
but I guess the driver is just hacked up to work exactly with that
<mnemoc>
help fixing sunxi's usb gadget on 3.4 is very welcomed
<RaYmAn>
:P
<The-Compiler>
Turl: I used the prebuilt image from archlinuxarm.org
<mnemoc>
RaYmAn: they implemented the support directly in android.c
<RaYmAn>
erk
<RaYmAn>
so when you say OTG you actually mean gadget?
<mnemoc>
yes
<Turl>
Kconfig also mentions some "sunxi USB manager"
<RaYmAn>
does the port itself work? e.g. in host mode or similar?
<mnemoc>
host works, yes
<Turl>
RaYmAn: my tab has an "OTG" port and a "client" port
<Turl>
the OTG one is for all purposes I can see, a host port
<Turl>
with an OTG connector
<RaYmAn>
that's..funky
<Turl>
so my tablet has 2 mini/microUSB (I don't recall >.<)
<RaYmAn>
my mk802 has an "OTG" port that works in both host & device (which is kind of required for it to be OTG? ;)) plus a regular USB
<mnemoc>
the a10/a13 schematics call the FEL pin "u-boot"...
<Turl>
I often plug it to the OTG port then bitch when it doesn't work :)
<RaYmAn>
Turl: have you tried with an OTG adapter thing?
<Turl>
I have one, came with the tab
<Turl>
haven't tried plugging it on the 'client' one though
<RaYmAn>
two mini is funky anyways
<Turl>
the other is definitely host-ish
<RaYmAn>
but just having mini doesn't make it otg :)
<mnemoc>
any idea where is hipboi?
<The-Compiler>
so... any idea how I could get informations why my Mele doesn't boot without having my TTL to USB adapter yet?
<RaYmAn>
I have no idea if it works, but if you can force a reset that doesn't power off ram, you might be able to use ramconsole?
<mnemoc>
The-Compiler: you are probably doomed
<The-Compiler>
I wonder what I'm doing wrong anyways :D
<mnemoc>
The-Compiler: get a ttl/usb :p
<The-Compiler>
just phoned a local electronic shop, they don't have it (?!? they even have nixie tubes!)
<The-Compiler>
and I already ordered one, but singapore post says "information recieved (this is not an acknowledgment of the physical receipt of the stated Registered Article) since 5 days
<The-Compiler>
so either a good friend I meet tomorrow has one, or I need to wait... impatient me :D
<mnemoc>
advice: order a couple adapters more :p
<Turl>
The-Compiler: ebaylike site near you doesn't have them? :P
<mnemoc>
it always good to have the around, and others may arrive faster
<The-Compiler>
local electronics retailer has the FTDI cables for $30
<The-Compiler>
"ebaylike site near you" was a great hint
<The-Compiler>
found one for $10 plus $5 shipping
<The-Compiler>
hah, and one on ebay for $7 and free shipping, even in the same country I am
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<mnemoc>
that's more reasonable.... more considering you can usually buy them from china for less than $2 including world wide shipping
<Turl>
yep
<Turl>
but if you're in a hurry 7$ is not that bad :)
<mnemoc>
but $20+ is simply absurd
<Turl>
yeah :|
<Turl>
might need to buy some and resell
<Turl>
earn some bucks in the process :P
<RaYmAn>
actually not a bad idea
<RaYmAn>
lol
<Turl>
10$ ;) best price!11 haha
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<The-Compiler>
thought about that with a lot of DX products
<The-Compiler>
there is a local shop called Pearl, I was able to find everything in their stock I checked so far on dealextreme, for 1/5 to 1/10 of the price
<Turl>
dx is usually waay cheaper than buying locally over here
<RaYmAn>
the big issue is that if you buy a big bundle of things, you'll get caught in customs more likely :P
<Turl>
RaYmAn: I always buy on <25US bunches :)
<Turl>
and get RR free :P
<RaYmAn>
heh
<The-Compiler>
yeah, free shipping, so just buy in small bunches
<The-Compiler>
my Mele was $120 or so with shipping, they declared it as $30 and I didn't have to pay customs :D
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<WarheadsSE>
mnemoc: RaYmAn The-Compiler what huh.. on vacation
<WarheadsSE>
..
<WarheadsSE>
I'll deal with the kernel updates after I get back next week. fbcon should make some people happy though.
* WarheadsSE
poof
<The-Compiler>
hehe
<mnemoc>
:)
<WarheadsSE>
oh, almost forgot: if The-Compiler would like to make any suggestions, github archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs is forkable ;)
* WarheadsSE
smokebomb
<mnemoc>
*g*
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<The-Compiler>
first I need a running archlinuxarm to be honest :P
<mnemoc>
The-Compiler: tried a prebuilt image?
<mnemoc>
The-Compiler: or actually... tried an official image from mele?
<The-Compiler>
huh?
<The-Compiler>
I'm using the archlinuxarm image, and the mele-Android works fine
* WarheadsSE
has had hands full with paid projects, and this way too fucking rare thing called vacation
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<WarheadsSE>
The-Compiler: where is your rootfs? Sata? Might need the updated kernel package on that rootfs tarball. I will be updating it at the turn of the month.
<xxiao>
mnemoc: on that cnx link, what rootfs is that, self-made, debian, arch?
<mnemoc>
xxiao: linaro's ubuntu
<xxiao>
ok, anybody is working on some other alternatives, e.g. yocto or something lighter?
<Turl>
WarheadsSE: did you get X running?
<mnemoc>
iirc someone started an OE thing for A10.... but I think died
<mnemoc>
it would be awesome to have proper sunxi support in OE and friends
<xxiao>
mnemoc: i'm considering it, not sure the time and bandwidth for the next few months though
* xxiao
just received the 4th usb-ttl converter to try it on the seemingly broken pogoplug-pro
<mnemoc>
xxiao: it's a "developer edition"... not mass production
<rm>
I don't get what's with the VGA problems
<rm>
is this a hardware issue they're talking about
<xxiao>
rm: specifically, is it software or hardware problem
<mnemoc>
rm: they implemented a simple LCD-to-VGA in hardware
<mnemoc>
rm: which doesn't work very well yet
<mnemoc>
rm: might be an script.bin-only thing, but it can also be hw
<mnemoc>
I also hope they change how vga_disable is implemented
<mnemoc>
but Tsvetan is not very fond to change his mind
<xxiao>
about $75 USD that is
<The-Compiler>
WarheadsSE: nope, the rootfs is on mmcblk0p2
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<mnemoc>
also not sure if they fixed the card detection in revB
<The-Compiler>
so what would be ideal? USB?
<mnemoc>
mmcblk0p2 is the normal rootfs when booting from SD
<The-Compiler>
yep, that's where I have the rootfs (and how it's configured in uEnv.txt) but it does not boot
<xxiao>
sigh, still could not get serial output from pogoplug-pro, scope showed good wave but none of my usb-ttl converter can make it useful
<xxiao>
s/could/would/
<ibot>
xxiao meant: sigh, still would not get serial output from pogoplug-pro, scope showed good wave but none of my usb-ttl converter can make it useful
<xxiao>
spent too much time on this POS
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<xxiao>
it either showed nothing, or gibbersish
<mnemoc>
gibbersish usually means wrong serial settings
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<xxiao>
not in this case, scope told me it's 115200
<xxiao>
though i tried various settings
* xxiao
starts to remove the 4-pin holder as it's too small
<mnemoc>
2mm?
<xxiao>
about that
<xxiao>
anyway i'm done with it
<xxiao>
5 hours on getting this serial port working, time for trash it
<ccssnet>
hi all
<xxiao>
it also uses pin that is too thin for any jump wires
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<The-Compiler>
trying the second Ubuntu image on my mele now and it also doesn't boot... makes me wonder if something is wrong with my Mele
<The-Compiler>
(yes I know, I should just wait for my USB to TTL thingy already)
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<rm>
I have an MK802 that is not booting from SD
<rm>
makes me think there's something fishy going on with the SD reader part
<Turl>
maybe it's a telechips mk802 rm? :)
<Turl>
there's chinese MK802 fakes now :)
<RaYmAn>
it's kind of funny when chinese knock-offs gets knock-offs
<rm>
I know
<rm>
but no
<RaYmAn>
(clearly, mk802 is a knock-off of that norwegian one)
<Turl>
RaYmAn: MK802 isn't a knockoff afaik
<rm>
I have described the situation on the mailing list
<rm>
the u-boot SPL can't access the SD card to load u-boot
<Turl>
rm: I heard they're sometimes picky of the SDCards being used
<Turl>
try another one if you have a spare
<rm>
tried about four different ones
<RaYmAn>
Turl: how so? It seemed to suddenly appear in a reasonable time after cotton candy was announced
<rm>
the only way to boot it "from SD" was to put a kernel with hardcoded "root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" command line into NAND
<RaYmAn>
In any case, they were the first ones with this type of mini-computer :)
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<xxiao>
i'm happy they did not patent it
<xxiao>
apparently apple is smarter, even round edge for a device can be patented in usa
* xxiao
is happy apple did not patent 'minipc', or 'usb-stick-alike pc', go to hell apple
<traeak>
the software patents are hugely disturbing
<traeak>
so when i hack on a new user interface that means i have to hot search the patent database every time i do something to make sure i'm not infringing ?
<specing>
software patents are only valid in USA and Japan, AFAIK
<The-Compiler>
Okay, no motivation and no ideas left to try getting my Mele to boot from SD anymore before having the TTL to USB adapter. Thanks for all the help guys.
<traeak>
hmm?
<The-Compiler>
me?
<traeak>
it shouldn't be problem as long as your image is installed properly, intializes properly and gives you an ssh connection
<traeak>
there is an issue of the mac id
<traeak>
but you shodul be able to get the IP addy off your router once dhcp is established
<The-Compiler>
even with no MAC address? Or do I have to do anything in that regard?
<traeak>
i think your problem will be that the MAC id wn't be stable
<The-Compiler>
I tried two Ubuntu images and an Archlinux image over the past 4 hours or so, and with none of them I had an output on the screen, also I didn't see it online in the router's logs (Tomato), device list, or via an ARP scan (nmap -sP)
<traeak>
you won't get screen output probably
<traeak>
only via X11
<The-Compiler>
yeah, but it also isn't in the LAN
<traeak>
so no lights on the ether port ?
<The-Compiler>
the lights are on
<traeak>
i can't remember :-p
<The-Compiler>
well depending on the image actually
<Turl>
traeak: fbcon support was merged recently :D
<traeak>
my mele was shipped with a usb/ttl adapter
<The-Compiler>
so I have no idea what else I could do before getting the adapter
<traeak>
but i thought i remembered the mac id being sort of random
<traeak>
i have an asus rt-16n with tomato on it
<The-Compiler>
well that wouldn't matter
<The-Compiler>
it just doesn't seem to get an IP at all, and I have no idea how I could see what's going on
<The-Compiler>
what's even worse is I'd really be glad if I had it on Friday, and the shops which would get me a cable very fast want like $35/28 EUR for it
<traeak>
holy crap
<traeak>
the lastone i got was from eay for less than 2US shipped.
<traeak>
or less than 4usd, can't remmeber but stupid cheap
<The-Compiler>
well these are the FTDI cable which are 16 GBP (20 EUR / $25) at FTDI's shop
<traeak>
i hope i'm wrong but i think you need the usb/ttl adapter to pass the macid to uboot. probably worth a new search
<traeak>
i mean to set it up so it passes the mac id
<traeak>
as i said i could be dead wrong :-p
<The-Compiler>
heh I think you can just set it in the script.bin or uEnv.txt or so
<traeak>
yes
<traeak>
if you do that then you should be able to boot
<The-Compiler>
so you mean it does not boot if I don't do that? o.O
<traeak>
fbcon would just about kill the need for the usb/ttl adapter
<traeak>
hehe i mean boot up so you can get into it :-p
<RaYmAn>
traeak: depending on where it fails ;)
<The-Compiler>
yeah, but if I don't do anything regarding MAC...
<traeak>
your problem is you don't know if your card is even set up properly
<rm>
The-Compiler, if you connect mouse with a LED (e.g. a simple optical mouse), can you see it turn-on/ flash after you power on the device?
<traeak>
card as in flash
<The-Compiler>
If I don't touch the MAC at all, it should just be random but still work, shouldn't it?
<rm>
if you connect a keyboard, do you see NumLock/ScrolLock/CapsLock blink/react?
<traeak>
how many different flash cards have you tried?
<The-Compiler>
traeak: two, and one of them worked in my Pandaboard before
<The-Compiler>
rm: not sure and too lazy to try as I'm in bed now :P (but the stock android still boots when I take out the SD card)
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<traeak>
The-Compiler: i think rm is round about asking questions to see if your flash card is working/set up properly
<The-Compiler>
hmhm... the flashcard itself and the socket work, in stock android I see the FAT32 partition
<traeak>
that or you didn't do the right dance for setting up the boot partition and dd'ing the mbr
<traeak>
or you just direct dd'd another image which you really shouldn't do
<The-Compiler>
I tried two scripts and a direct image
<The-Compiler>
everything on two cards
<traeak>
if the image is bigger than your card by even a tiny amount you're hosed (i found that out)
<rm>
there are pre-made whole-card "dd" images for the Mele
<The-Compiler>
but again: do I _have_ to mess with the MAC adress to have a working Ethernet?
<The-Compiler>
rm: as said, I have tried both that and scripts
<rm>
if THOSE don't boot
<rm>
then clearly something's wrong
<traeak>
be systematic on rebuilding your images...or just wait :-p
<The-Compiler>
my question about the MAC is still open?
<The-Compiler>
-?
<traeak>
i don't htink that's an issue, my past experience was that a random macid is generated
<The-Compiler>
well, afk for a bit, taking a shower
<mnemoc>
if you don't set your MAC in script.bin or pass mac_addr= with the bootloader you'll have a random one
<The-Compiler>
okay, so at least I should see something in the router logs
<traeak>
oh
<traeak>
here's another issue
<traeak>
if you got impatient during first boot
<traeak>
no, sorry
<traeak>
you should get a dhcp response regardless
<The-Compiler>
I'm impatient with waiting for my TLL to USB adapter
<The-Compiler>
:P
<mnemoc>
assuming your OS is setup to use dhcp
<traeak>
find another hobby for the time being :-p
<The-Compiler>
but I really hope I don't have that issue, having to do some hack with the internal memory would suck
<rm>
mouse should light up about 5-10 seconds after power-on; also keyboard should flash all 3 LEDs very early too
<mnemoc>
and no one (udev) decided to rename your eth0 to eth1 because the mac changes
<rm>
none of those? it didn't make it to the kernel and likely just stuck in u-boot or u-boot SPL
<The-Compiler>
the only keyboard I have around is a wireless one without LEDs I believe :D
<traeak>
yup, i'm with rm on that
<traeak>
The-Compiler: you arne't set up for hardware hacking
<The-Compiler>
true, true :D
<The-Compiler>
well it worked fine with my Pandaboard, but that's made for hacking ;)
<rm>
at least you have actual UART pins on the mele
<rm>
only small soldering pads on the MK802
<rm>
not even through-holes
<mnemoc>
The-Compiler: the pandaboard is a PR tool created for hacking by TI itself, of course it has better support than any board using chinese SoCs
<traeak>
slight hiccup with the GPU of course
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<The-Compiler>
rm: hehe :D I'm an electronical engineer though and I'm fine with soldering 0402 SMD parts, so that wouldn't have bothered me ;)
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<The-Compiler>
regarding <traeak> The-Compiler: you arne't set up for hardware hacking
<The-Compiler>
what would you recommend me to get? TTL to USB adapter of course, I'll also get a keyboard so I can leave my wireless one at the PC... what else comes in handy?
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<mnemoc>
The-Compiler: important to mention is that the uart and usb/otg headers are 2mm, not 0.1"
<mnemoc>
so you will probably need special jumper wires
<The-Compiler>
eek. Well I'll find something I guess.
<The-Compiler>
and if not I'll just solder wires to the pins as I plan to get a miniUSB-port in there anyways
<WarheadsSE>
The-Compiler: they should fit JST
<The-Compiler>
I'm really curious why it isn't booting...
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<WarheadsSE>
well the console will tell you that, for sure
<mnemoc>
my console doesn't want to tell me why my ubuntu card decided to not start any getty or ssh :'( while I can run getty manually without problems using init=/bin/bash
<WarheadsSE>
Hmm, but was there no spl/uboot output?
<mnemoc>
I get all the output, even userspace stuff on the serial console
<Turl>
mnemoc: upstart update?
<mnemoc>
not manual at least
<mnemoc>
Turl: but I assume it's upcrap related
* WarheadsSE
poof
<mnemoc>
but no hint in /dev/console or /var/log/* what's wrong :<
<hno>
The-Compiler, the header in Mele is a standard 2.0mm 5 pin PH header, and you are likely to find a matching cable in USB mices and the like, only needing to move some pins.
<hno>
mnemoc, likely the getty recipe isn't active.
<Turl>
mnemoc: dmesg?
<mnemoc>
Turl: no prompt -> no dmesg
<hno>
dmesg only tells kernel issues mostly.
<hno>
upstart not starting getty is not a kernel issue.
<The-Compiler>
hno: or as said I'll just solder to it :P
<mnemoc>
do you know how to re-activate them manually? (i.e. vi/ln/touch)
<mnemoc>
openssh is not been started either
<mnemoc>
pretty annoying
<mnemoc>
almost as annoying as fbcon at 720p on a 7" monitor :)
<mnemoc>
but that only when using init=/bin/bash ... because the getty on tty1 is not started by this upstart thing :< .... /me misses /etc/rc.d/...