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<jbenet> M-davidar thanks for emailing
<jbenet> M-davidar hey, can you help us do this with more orgs? i've been meaning to for quite some time, but i am very, very swamped with other things.
<jbenet> M-davidar it would be a huge help to the IPFS Team/Community.
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<jbenet> whyrusleeping oh dang. :( they _are_ supposed to be paths -- with `/` as a delimiter. we could write our own clean that does what we mean it to.
<jbenet> whyrusleeping -- should still error, never know when code will change under your feet and assumptions shift
<M-davidar> jbenet: no problem. I've been interested in mirroring citeseer (and other open access repositories) for a while, and ipfs seems like a great solution, so thanks for your support with this
<M-davidar> Are there any other organizations you had in mind?
<jbenet> M-davidar do you have 20 min for a call?
<jbenet> (over google hangouts)
<jbenet> happy to chat via irc too, but it's likely much faster to talk
<M-davidar> We could try arxiv, but only a subset of their papers are cc licensed
<M-davidar> Sure, would about half an hour from now be ok?
<jbenet> yep!
<jbenet> M-davidar: thanks for reminding me why IPFS exists :)
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<M-davidar> jbenet: :)
<M-davidar> i've actually been imagining something like ipfs for a while, so it's cool that it actually exists now :)
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<M-davidar> jbenet: ok, ready
<jbenet> M-davidar: sorry, 5 more min
<M-davidar> jbenet: no worries
<whyrusleeping> jbenet: by saying that error never gets seen, i mean that i think it should get propagated upwards in some way
<jbenet> ohh! yeah, maybe logged at least, but probably good to propagate up. not much the caller can do.. but at least we'd see it
<jbenet> M-davidar: okay i'm set now.
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<M-davidar> jbenet: would it make sense to start a wiki page (or something) listing possible open archives to import to ipfs?
<jbenet> M-davidar: sure, though maybe a github issue in https://github.com/ipfs/notes/ ? (wikis are hard because they dont notify)
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<whyrusleeping> jbenet: would be interesting to have a commands lib arg type for ipfs objects
<whyrusleeping> like cmds.StringArg, cmds.FileArg
<whyrusleeping> and it could automatically validate the path for us
<whyrusleeping> or something like that
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<M-davidar> jbenet: CORE also looks promising http://core.ac.uk/
<jbenet> whyrusleeping yeah, nice
<jbenet> M-davidar: yeah!
<jbenet> whyrusleeping hey have 15 min for a quick hangout?
<jbenet> (can be later too)
<jbenet> M-davidar: awesome, thanks!
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<M-davidar> jbenet: I guess I'll wait to hear back from citeseer before I go trying any of the others :)
<jbenet> yep sounds good :)
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<M-davidar> https://github.com/ipfs/examples/issues/9 seems like a good idea, anyone done this yet?
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<ReactorScram> I know there's been some comparisons between Git and IPFS, and I'm wondering, if I just periodically "ipfs add myGitDir.git" people could pull from that, right? Does that work?
<ReactorScram> M-davidar: thx
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<whyrusleeping> jbenet: sorry, was out drinking
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to feat/mfs: http://git.io/v3Tcb
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/mfs 643400a Jeromy: break commands/mfs code into mfs package...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to feat/mfs: http://git.io/v3Tls
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/mfs 0580639 Jeromy: code cleanup and comments...
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<jbenet> substack o/
<daviddias>
<jbenet> daviddias: that should fix all the ipfsd-ctl madness
<substack> o_O
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<jbenet> substack: i didnt know how to wait on the parent without an interval :/ -- is there a wait(pid, cb) func in core anywhere?
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<jbenet> daviddias o/ know how to wait on a (non-child) pid?
<jbenet> equivalent of spawn(...).on('exit', cb)
<jbenet> but for a pid we didnt spawn
<daviddias> jbenet you mean, figuring out the pid of some other process?
<daviddias> to watch it
<jbenet> no, i know the pid, just waiting on it
<daviddias> never did that, but let me check
<jbenet> that's ugly, uses gyp + c
<jbenet> wait no thats different
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<M-davidar> jbenet: wait to pause until it exits, or wait to clean up zombies?
<M-davidar> (well, I'm not sure either are actually possible, but at least you can poll for the first one)
<M-davidar> i've never actually used kqueue/epoll though
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<cryptix> gmorning IPFolkS
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<jbenet> M-davidar: thanks, yeah in this case it's just finding the bindings in node.
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<M-davidar> what's the deal with "dial attempt failed: i/o timeout (reuseport poll)"? half the time I have no idea why it's broken, and the other half the connection is fine (in terms of transferring blocks) and I don't understand why that in particular is error'ing
<M-davidar> (I'm behind a nat, but the server I'm trying to dial isn't)
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<cryptix> @all i just finished clone/fetch for https://github.com/cryptix/git-remote-ipfs and like to hear from people how it works for them
<cryptix> basically you 'git clone --bare $myRepo && git update-server-info && ipfs add -r .' or use github.com/whyrusleeping/git-ipfs-rehost for that
<cryptix> with git-remote-ipfs installed you can than 'git clone ipfs://$hash/repo' it
<cryptix> or fetch partials etc
<cryptix> now that i got the internals figured out, i can implement push cleanly
<cryptix> cc jbenet whyrusleeping
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<M-davidar> cryptix: cool, seems to work
<M-davidar> git clone ipfs://QmZugW78XNrNzNfJ3uQMgsEM2K4YuWaHkhdrRxcZekYZmT/lljvm
<cryptix> perfect! :)
<cryptix> thanks M-davidar
<cryptix> i need to add 'git push' support still, making the workflow more pure
<cryptix> right now git commit and rerunning git-ipfs-rehost can work
<cryptix> git fetch ipfs://$newerVersion/... also works
<M-davidar> cryptix: cool stuff, will git push also update an ipns?
<cryptix> that's the plan in the end
<cryptix> once i get it to update the repo and return the new hash of the root, publishing that as an ipns entry will be easy
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<M-davidar> cryptix: (on a semi-related note, do you know of any public examples of ipns dns records, i can't seem to find any :)
<M-davidar> well, i saw ipfs.git.sexy, but it doesn't seem to work properly
<cryptix> hehe.. well.. i have one on mine
<cryptix> but i dont seem to seed that hash anymore :x
<M-davidar> oh well, i guess i'll just try it myself and see what happens
<cryptix> M-davidar: they should look like this dnslink=/ipfs/$hash
<cryptix> on a TXT record
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<cryptix> like this /ipfs/QmTgcZyhWe1xMv7PeadjGxRsaJJosJUff1y1zRStLD3pp4
<cryptix> (ps juans ipns entry also doesnt resolve right now :-x)
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<M-davidar> cryptix: oh, so do only direct hashes work with dns atm, not ipns?
<cryptix> ipns works too
<cryptix> but make sure to keep that node up
<cryptix> because right now, ipns can only be resolved if the node with the priv key is online
<M-davidar> yeah, i've got a vps that I hadn't figured out what to do with yet, so it's been tasked as a fulltime ipfs node :)
<cryptix> M-davidar: the hash above was a copy&paste of 'dig benet.ai TXT'
<cryptix> nice! :)
<M-davidar> ah, cool, thanks
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<M-davidar> ok, just have to wait for dns to propagate...
<cryptix> jbenet: if you have the time - i need a test case of an repo with mixed objects (loose and packed) - git-ipfs-rehost makes totally packed or unpacked ones
<cryptix> (will try to document my progress more in the future..)
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<M-davidar> thanks for the help cryptix, that's very cool
<cryptix> M-davidar: nice!
<cryptix> the home / link breaks
<cryptix> absolute links are nasty :)
<M-davidar> cryptix: but they're so convenient! :)
<cryptix> jbenet whyrusleeping: can you make sense of this: /ipfs/QmUAmynSgBmjNuPYPTBrkefKQ897mFaKZQqi6KgvKdPr6V
<cryptix> looks weird 'cat /ipns/...' seems to point to something else than 'ls /ipns/...'
<M-davidar> ok, fixed
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<M-davidar> cryptix: hmm, I was having that trouble before too
<M-davidar> i restarted the daemon and it seemed to fix it, but apparently not
<M-davidar> but i keep that reuseport poll error when i try to dial the node, so not sure what's going on there...
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<M-davidar> *keep getting
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<cryptix> hrm.. reuseport shouldnt be related to that
<M-davidar> cryptix: what does reuseport mean?
<M-davidar> i can retrieve blocks from the node, but can't ping it...
<cryptix> first: what platform are you on?
<M-davidar> ipfs ping it that is
<M-davidar> debian/ubuntu
<cryptix> reuseport is a nasty hack regarding dial/listen ports to portknock NATs
<M-davidar> the node i'm trying to connect to doesn't have a nat (but i do locally)
<cryptix> hrm.. block recv but no ping sound strange too (cc whyrusleeping )
<M-davidar> it doesn't show up in the list of peers either, even though it's obviously connecting
<cryptix> 'ipfs swarm peers' ?
<M-davidar> and dht findpeer works too
<M-davidar> yeah
<cryptix> that explains why you cant ping it
<cryptix> i wonder where you get the blocks from than, though
<M-davidar> it used to show up in there, but seems to have broken recently
<M-davidar> and i don't think i've changed anything
<cryptix> you can 'ipfs swarm (dis)connect' manually
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<cryptix> *try to :)
<M-davidar> i get a reuseport error for that to
<M-davidar> *too
<cryptix> on the local node? hrm
<cryptix> you can disable the reuseport hack with... wait..
<cryptix> M-davidar: try 'export IPFS_REUSEPORT=false' before daemon startup
<cryptix> but i'm out on a limb to be honest
<M-davidar> local or remote daemon?
<cryptix> local, where you see the error
<cryptix> it changes the behavior of the swarm port a little
<cryptix> but i'm not sure how much it will actually help with the problem you are seeing
<M-davidar> well, i got a different error this time :)
<M-davidar> dial attempt failed: context deadline exceeded
<cryptix> hmmm
<M-davidar> iptables definitely has port 4001 open...
<cryptix> can you give me the ip/key of the vps?
<M-davidar> /ip4/168.235.77.111/tcp/4001/ipfs/QmPPLfEkKnLMjmRpPf7jxTS7Xvw3sUPmgusGpDaCwcof7g
<cryptix> yup.. connects and pings
<M-davidar> huh, so what's going on with my local machine then...
<cryptix> problem seems to be on your local network side
<cryptix> IPSs can be weird too.. had major problems with ipv4 some month ago
<M-davidar> hmm, i'll try rebooting some things
<cryptix> ISPs*
<M-davidar> yeah, my ISP used to be great, but they're in the process of being acquired by a not-so-great one, and there's been ... problems since then
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<M-davidar> i heard somewhere that cjdns can help with some of these things - is that true?
<cryptix> its supposed to iirc - lgierth is our cjdns expert :)
<cryptix> i'm not sure to what length it goes to portnock NATs etc
<M-davidar> my router had a problem recently where it though wifi was disabled, but some of my devices could still connect and others couldn't, so there's probably something going wrong in there too :)
<M-davidar> anyway, /rant
<cryptix> oh i like a good rant once in a while.. :)
<M-davidar> cryptix: haha, yeah, if computers worked in practice like they should in theory, I'd be so much happier :)
<M-davidar> cryptix: what timezones are the ipfs team in anyway, it's always hard to know if I'm bugging someone in the middle of the night :)
<M-davidar> s/anyway/by the way
<cryptix> hahaha oh man
<cryptix> thats the best question ever - imho jbenet cant be contained by timezones
<cryptix> whyrusleeping: is usa/seattle
<cryptix> im eu/berlin
<M-davidar> haha
<cryptix> i always wanted to make a map
<cryptix> jokes aside: most of the guys are currently in .de for the ccc camp
<M-davidar> what's ccc?
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<cryptix> its a big hacking festival every 4 years
<M-davidar> ah, cool, i vaguely remember hearing about it a while ago
<M-davidar> looks like an interesting collection of events :)
<cryptix> oh it is - i'm quite sad i cant go
<cryptix> i think juan and the crew is enroute there today, thats why its quite here today, i think
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<M-davidar> cryptix: other commitments?
<M-davidar> ouch, those tickets are pricey
<cryptix> well.. they are totally open about the costs and there are no corp boothes or sponsoring.. id say its not cheap but just
<cryptix> and yea.. i'm on another festival helping setting it up
<M-davidar> yeah, i think everything's pricey :)
<M-davidar> which festival?
<M-davidar> (and everything is pricey with our dollar plummeting...)
<cryptix> 3000grad - electronic music :)
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<M-davidar> cryptix: cool :)
<M-davidar> i'm toying with the idea of using the ipfs dht to build a distributed prefix tree for a fulltext search engine - has anyone tried something like that yet?
<M-davidar> *suffix tree
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<rschulman> cryptix: what’s 2000grad?
<rschulman> er 3000grad?
<rschulman> I’m just starting to get into composing electronic music
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<cryptix> rschulman: http://3000-festival.de/
<cryptix> im not sure they have an english site.. :/
<rschulman> hehe, no, I don’t think so.
<rschulman> I googled around a bit
<rschulman> still, looks like fun, given I can’t speak German. :)
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<whyrusleeping> its also quiet because its sunday
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<voxelot> seems like a good time to bother you with a question :p
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<whyrusleeping> lol
<whyrusleeping> good morning, by the way
<voxelot> hah morning!
<voxelot> you're west coast right
<rschulman> whyrusleeping o/
<voxelot> going to take the gf to the beach today, get some sun for once
<voxelot> so is there a way to handle multiple users connecting to ipfs on my site? without making them download anything
<voxelot> rschulman and i talked about it before and i don't think it would be too intrusive if we had a nice executable they had to run, but user "friendliness" is always a thought on my mind
<whyrusleeping> voxelot: not quite sure what youre asking
<whyrusleeping> multiple users on your site?
<voxelot> yeah i'm really just using ipfs like a distributed database where users control their own data
<voxelot> would be nice if they could use it without having to install ipfs and run a daemon
<voxelot> might be thinking way ahead but just currious how a webserver could handle ipfs and serve it to clients
<voxelot> and eventually i want the whole server distributed to ipfs, so long term a way to have ipfs serve ipfs.. haah if that makes any sense
<whyrusleeping> well....
<whyrusleeping> once we get ipfs implemented in javascript
<whyrusleeping> we can push it into the browser
<voxelot> ^ :D
<whyrusleeping> and the users keys and config could be stored in browser localstorage
<voxelot> very cool
<whyrusleeping> yeah, getting that working will introduce some really neat possibilities
<voxelot> but theoretically possible is what you're saying.. "so you're saying there's a chance"
<whyrusleeping> yeap!
<whyrusleeping> there is a chance
<whyrusleeping> its just not ready yet
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<voxelot> off to the beach, enjoy your sunday... don't work to hard
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<whyrusleeping> voxelot: same to you!
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<whyrusleeping> jbenet: pulled this code out: https://github.com/whyrusleeping/go-multipart-files
<whyrusleeping> i'm working on removing go-ipfs as a dependency for ipfs-shell
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<jbenet> Yay
<whyrusleeping> just about done too
<whyrusleeping> jbenet: boom! https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs-shell <- doesnt import go-ipfs
<whyrusleeping> (except the code in the 'test' dir)
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<jbenet> Nice!
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<whyrusleeping> jbenet: next up, i'm going to work on refactoring/cleaning up the node construction process
<whyrusleeping> should make ipget a bit easier to write
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created builder-cleanup (+1 new commit): http://git.io/v3tor
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/builder-cleanup 9502135 Jeromy: improve nodebuilder code to not depend on NewIPFSNode...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #1557: improve nodebuilder code to not depend on NewIPFSNode (master...builder-cleanup) http://git.io/v3toh