<lgierth>
i can get you a bit more stuff to try out later, with a fresh mind
<lgierth>
i need a siesta
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<M-davidar>
ok, thanks
<M-davidar>
i was trying to use cjdns to see if it helped the ipfs connectivity problems i was having, but this doesn't exactly seem better so far :P
<lgierth>
heh, word
<lgierth>
weird though
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<opn>
Heading to Chaos Camp? I'm looking forwards to a Federated IPFS journalism hack
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<JasonWoof>
I use cjdns just between my server, laptop and desktop (like a vpn). I'm not connected to other nodes (eg hyperboria)
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<rschulman>
yeah, that should definitely be possible with cjdns
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<M-davidar>
JasonWoof: any hints as to what I'm doing wrong?
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<JasonWoof>
M-davidar: I haven't spent much time debugging cjdns connections. you set it up with a password and the correct (external) ip and no firewall?
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<M-davidar>
JasonWoof: yes, firewall but port open, can see the packets arriving but no response
<JasonWoof>
M-davidar: the listening side has a {"password": ... thing that's not commented out and matches a "connectTo"... section in the connecting side?
<JasonWoof>
M-davidar: oh, and make sure you're connecting inside UDPInterface, not ETHInterface
<JasonWoof>
all I've done is fiddle with this sort of stuff, and once I upgraded the cjdns version on all my computers
<M-davidar>
oh bugger, wrong password, no idea how i managed that
<JasonWoof>
oh, I guess you're not in ETHInterface, because you're seeing the passwords get there
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<JasonWoof>
M-davidar: mosh worksh beautifully over cjdns _if_ you get a new enough version (1.2.5 (rc2 pre-release I guess))
<JasonWoof>
oh, and you have to pass -6
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<JasonWoof>
very cool to be doing mosh over cjdns over wifi, pack up, drive home, and mosh is acting like nothing happened
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<M-davidar>
Thanks, I'll try it tomorrow
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<rschulman>
lgierth: How is the IPFS/cjdns connection coming along?
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<rschulman>
its kinda interesting/amusing that there are still not binaries of cjdns for mac/linus
<JasonWoof>
last I checked (a year ago or so probably) cjdns people were saying that it was still quite experimental, and that they weren't ready for the general population to participate in hyperboria
<JasonWoof>
seemed like development was going at a good pace, but they wanted to scale up slowly
<rschulman>
yeah
<rschulman>
that’s what they were saying when I was last involved around 3 years ago. :)
<rschulman>
looks like no commits to the github repo in over 2 months, though.
<JasonWoof>
aww
<JasonWoof>
such a cool project
<JasonWoof>
maybe they're just too cool for github
<rschulman>
heh
<rschulman>
the only code updates are available from within hyperboria
<whyrusleeping>
i think that hyperboria is public now
<whyrusleeping>
although i could be wrong
<rschulman>
in the sense that there are public peers, yes.
<rschulman>
I read taht
<rschulman>
*that*
<whyrusleeping>
rschulman: get any time to hack on the mfs api?
<rschulman>
I haven't
<rschulman>
my blocker right now is the stupid ipns issue
<rschulman>
:(
<whyrusleeping>
the filesystem one?
<rschulman>
right
<whyrusleeping>
what for?
<rschulman>
although I’m not sure its just the filesystem or ipns in general
<rschulman>
what I’m trying to build needs ipns to store config and for working with other nodes.
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<whyrusleeping>
so, with mfs, you can mount ipns, and interact with those files using the mfs api
<whyrusleeping>
not touching the filesystem
<JasonWoof>
oh, there's several commits in cjdns repo this month in the branch "crashy"
<rschulman>
whyrusleeping: and then recommit it to ipns?
<rschulman>
or would the change propogate automatically somehow?
<whyrusleeping>
yeap, using the mfs api is exactly like writing to the /ipns/ filesystem
<whyrusleeping>
the fuse code just wraps mfs
<rschulman>
got it
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<rschulman>
hm ok, I’ll give it another try
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, just let me know if anything is weird
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<lgierth>
it is generally quite stable, but you still need a bit of a tech background
<lgierth>
we're still not doing so well re: public peering
<lgierth>
too obscure
<lgierth>
same for documentation :)
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* lgierth
heads to the office, just in case anyone's up for sprint sync
<JasonWoof>
lgierth: I don't know if more public peering would help cjdns
<JasonWoof>
sometimes it's great to have a group of developers just focusing on making the code do one thing really well
<JasonWoof>
and other people make some sort of community thing, and/or another software that uses it
<JasonWoof>
eg I was thinking of writing a p2p backup program that you could set up on your computers and your friends/family's computers
<JasonWoof>
in this example, it'd be the backup software that would get all the attention, documentation, user community, etc
<rschulman>
JasonWoof: I kinda feel like cjdns needs to shit or get off the pot on that stuff
<JasonWoof>
the backup software would include and help you configure cjdns or ip[fn]s or something to help with the networking/etc
<rschulman>
if it isn’t stable enough for general packaging and use by now...
<JasonWoof>
rschulman: well, cjdns needs to have some kind of network to test with
<JasonWoof>
I don't think there's much point in getting masses of people on hyperboria
<rschulman>
why not, do you think?
<JasonWoof>
what would we do on there?
<JasonWoof>
yay! we can ping/ssh to eachother!
<JasonWoof>
I think we need to find the app that makes it so people want to be able to connect to eachother
<JasonWoof>
then bundle cjdns or something into that app
<JasonWoof>
cjdns just gets you access to people's computers
<JasonWoof>
it doesn't make those computers do anything cool for you
<JasonWoof>
that's a separate thing
<rschulman>
whyrusleeping: How do I tell mfs to wrap ipns?
<rschulman>
JasonWoof: Welcome to the chicken/egg problem. :)
<JasonWoof>
rschulman: yeah, and cjdns is a chicken! :)
<JasonWoof>
so now we just need to make the egg
<JasonWoof>
solved!
<rschulman>
hehe
<whyrusleeping>
rschulman: once you run 'ipfs mount' or start with 'ipfs daemon --mount', the ipns mountpoint will show up as the 'local' mfs filesystem
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<whyrusleeping>
if you just run 'ipfs mfs' it should show up
<JasonWoof>
ipfs is a bit like this too, it's a cool thing, that you could build a killer app on top of, but it's not the killer app
<JasonWoof>
except that (I think) it handles some cool hosting issues well (like you could get slash-dotted and it'd still work I hope)
<JasonWoof>
but those are a little too geeky for the average Joe
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<JasonWoof>
I get excited about not needing to buy hosting
<rschulman>
whyrusleeping: You need ipfs mfs rm :)
<JasonWoof>
normal people are reasonably happy having googe/facebook/twitter/instagram/etc host all their stuff for free
<whyrusleeping>
rschulman: huh.
<whyrusleeping>
i do
<rschulman>
yay feature requests! :)
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<JasonWoof>
I've thought a lot about what would get people (mostly non-geeks) to connect their computers into a p2p network. eg thinking about the questien: what would get me, and other geeks to approach their irl friends, moms, etc. and say "let's meet, and set up X on your computer so we can Y"
<JasonWoof>
usually the hardest version of this question is when there are very few people on the network
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<rschulman>
so far this is working well, whyrusleeping
<whyrusleeping>
rschulman: woo!
<rschulman>
but I haven’t tried editing a file in ipns in vim yet, which is the acid test. :)
<rschulman>
JasonWoof: very true.
<rschulman>
though plenty of people use bittorrent. :)
<rschulman>
actually, I think the cjdns killer app is probably local community networks, eg - Freifunk.
<rschulman>
but installing it has to be easier.
<rschulman>
it has to be the equivalent of installing any other app on mac or pc
<rschulman>
then attaching to a given network
<rschulman>
until its that easy, no go.
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to feat/mfs: http://git.io/v33ni
<rschulman>
sadly no love on editing in vim on /ipns/local
<rschulman>
looks like I’m getting ENOENT in the logging
<rschulman>
and /ipns/local no longer exists.
<JasonWoof>
with ipfs, you get hosting for free, that can scale
<JasonWoof>
with cjdns you can host on your computer, but it doesn't scale beyond your home bandwidth
<JasonWoof>
I want to build some sort of collaboration software with a web interface on top of ipfs
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<rschulman>
whyrusleeping: ^
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<JasonWoof>
currently I'm at the stage of: dreaming big, figuring out what I want, not knowing how to start, needing 2 years to finish another project
<whyrusleeping>
rschulman: yeah, i didnt expect that to fix any of the fuse stuff
<rschulman>
yeah
<rschulman>
I’ll start working it into my code and see how it works.
<JasonWoof>
but I hope I can make some progress with it now, by thinking about it, and writing it up, perhaps my writeup with get other people interested in helping build it, or helping figure out what should happen
<whyrusleeping>
when you have time, i'd like if you could try reinstalling osxfuse and rebooting and see if that changes anything
<rschulman>
whyrusleeping: Ok, will try that next.
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<whyrusleeping>
git is doing terribly at merging this morning...
<whyrusleeping>
trying to rebase dev040 on master
<whyrusleeping>
and its not going well
<daviddias_train>
woo, got in :)
<whyrusleeping>
daviddias_train: long time no see!
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<rschulman>
daviddias_train: train from where to where? :)
<daviddias_train>
Prague to Berlin :)
<daviddias_train>
whyrusleeping Interneting has been hard :(
<jbenet_train>
surprise: internet connectivity sucks elsewhere on the planet. particularly when traveling
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<whyrusleeping>
jbenet_train: lol, that sucks
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<rschulman>
and there they go… :)
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<whyrusleeping>
broke my head phones
<whyrusleeping>
gotta go buy a new pair before the meetings...
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<jbenet_>
hey whyrusleeping, lgierth -- i hoped we would be able to send our updates right now, but it looks very dire. net goes on/off constantly.
<daviddias_train>
back to the internetz
<jbenet_>
whyrusleeping can handle the updates for people who are here? -- daviddias, mappum, and i will send ours after arriving in berlin.
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<jbenet_>
(or if you and lgierth want to wait for us, we should be back online at 22:00 CEST (13:00 PT))
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<krl>
here
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<jimbeam>
Hey what do you guys think about cjdns?
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<rschulman>
heh
<rschulman>
jimbeam: You missed it, we were discussing cjdns a couple hours ago
<rschulman>
its cool, some folks are working on integrating ipfs and cjdns
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<whyrusleeping>
anyone here and not on a german train? lgierth?
<rschulman>
o/
<rschulman>
oh, you mean for sprint
<rschulman>
nvm. :)
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, lol
<krl>
whyrusleeping: here
<whyrusleeping>
krl: hey! wanna write up a status update for this week?
<krl>
sure
<krl>
had a terrible week of hardware failure, that i still have not been able to get around (have to use my screenless old x61 with external monitor atm) have however made progress on webcomponents and starlog concept.
<krl>
The webcomponent feed-view can now display an infinite-scroll list of a feed. ( here /ipfs/QmXUzXsqFgKfS5MBXzn2pfaAbxWQzirKSvFM45ywEMWeD8/app/ )
<krl>
What's left is appending, publishing to ipns, and muxing multiple feeds together for a timeline view. and then we have a webcomponent-powered twitter-clone on ipfs.
<krl>
I think i'll still have time to get something installable until camp, i've gotten over the most hurdles. and my new computer should arrive tomorrow.
<krl>
K
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<whyrusleeping>
wooo!
<whyrusleeping>
the app is still loadingish for me
<krl>
loadingish?
<whyrusleeping>
it looks like i've pulled the source, but its waiting on something
<whyrusleeping>
ah, there we are
<krl>
so this is pulling from the append only log
<whyrusleeping>
okay
<jimbeam>
oh I just missed the discussion. anything in paricular that isn't compatible?
<whyrusleeping>
jimbeam: lgierth is the person to ask about that
<whyrusleeping>
and i'm not exactly sure where hes at
<whyrusleeping>
krl: anything else?
<jimbeam>
cool thanks
<whyrusleeping>
and anything aside from your lack of computer blocking you?
<krl>
not at this point
<krl>
but for the app to work properly, we would need either patching or proper keystore
<krl>
otherwise we'd have to overwrite the whole ipns
<whyrusleeping>
krl: have you taken a look at the mfs api
<rschulman>
krl: I’m only getting a GUI but no content in that app
<rschulman>
am I supposed to see anything?
<krl>
rschulman: any errors?
<krl>
there's supposed to be some silly messages there
<rschulman>
in the console? no
<krl>
any request timeouts?
<rschulman>
ugh, sorry, yes errors
<rschulman>
I was looking at the console in the wrong tab *smh*
<rschulman>
oh, its cross origin problems
<krl>
rschulman: you probably have to run it with --unrestricted-api on 5001, and/or have API_ORIGIN=*
<rschulman>
yep, trying now
<whyrusleeping>
krl: i think the API_ORIGIN hack is the one needed
<rschulman>
I’m getting a “self.iterator is undefined message now"
<krl>
rschulman: this is just a wip, but not sure how you could get that
<rschulman>
tried it with API_ORIGIN an d its working better now
<rschulman>
sort of. :)
<rschulman>
getting uncaught exceptions
<rschulman>
its, ok, just trying out fun thing.
<rschulman>
s/thing/things
<whyrusleeping>
i guess i'll post my update:
<whyrusleeping>
This week I worked on a rabin fingerprint chunker for add, got it merged in and made jbenet happy
<whyrusleeping>
I have the first revision of the mfs API up for PR, and i've built a neat little app on top of it.
<whyrusleeping>
In building that app i patched the vinyl packages buffer check, and our handling of that in node-ipfs-api.
<whyrusleeping>
ipfs-shell is also now completely independent of the go-ipfs codebase, you no longer have to import that monster as a dependency.
<whyrusleeping>
I have an open PR for improving the node builder and the node construction process in general, once i'm done it should make it easier to create more specialized nodes for various purposes
<whyrusleeping>
EOF
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<krl>
whyrusleeping: sounds cool
<krl>
rabin++
<krl>
are you using any minimum/maximum churk size?
<krl>
and what hashfn?
<whyrusleeping>
krl: the hash function is fnv right now
<whyrusleeping>
just because i actually have no idea what difference it makes
<whyrusleeping>
minimum and maximum right now are configurable but default to some numbers i cant recall right now
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<krl>
whyrusleeping: did you look at any paper or so specially for rabin?
<whyrusleeping>
i used an existing implementation
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<whyrusleeping>
force push incoming!
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed dev0.4.0 from 25fd6b9 to f39597e: http://git.io/vLnex
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/dev0.4.0 506f6d1 Tommi Virtanen: pin: Guard against callers causing refcount underflow...
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/dev0.4.0 d5d0e72 Tommi Virtanen: sharness: Use sed in a cross-platform safe way...
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/dev0.4.0 ebc8522 Tommi Virtanen: sharness: `fusermount -u` is the documented way to unmount FUSE on Linux...
<Tv`>
that always spooks me out
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<whyrusleeping>
Tv`: hi friend!
<whyrusleeping>
does it send you a notification or something?
<Tv`>
the highlight on my name does
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<rschulman>
ehd: Just reading that article thanks to your tweet.
<rschulman>
and whyrusleeping, we’re trying!
<ehd>
whyrusleeping: gladly! this is classic fury driven development/design. notes repo? also, i remember a thread somewhere about a message bus or pub/sub. am i making this up or does someone have a link to that?
<rschulman>
sadly doesn’t exist yet, people are still talking about how it would be great, though
<rschulman>
did anyone even spec out how it would work, whyrusleeping
<rschulman>
?
<Bat`O>
<-- totally need a pub/sub system also
<whyrusleeping>
ehd: we dont have many notes on pubsub
<whyrusleeping>
but it will exist, hopefully on the order of ~4 months
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: jbenet: sorry i'm still super dizzy, and over the two unrelated meetings and getting dvn/ansuz/hillary to my place, i forgot about the hangouts
<lgierth>
did you start already? ansuz arrived here like 20 mins ago so i assume daviddias mappum and jbenet also just arrived at their airbnb, or ar catching food
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: nursin a hangover eh?
<whyrusleeping>
i think we're probably postponing the hangouts until like tomorrow or something
<lgierth>
food poisoning actually ;)
<lgierth>
spent the last day of battlemesh between bathroom and bed
<krl>
i kind of need to go to bed, so that would work well for me
<krl>
lgierth: :/
<lgierth>
yeah for me too
<lgierth>
krl: got a good idea where to work from? the meeting room in my office space is nice and cool, and not too white-walls-office-like
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<lgierth>
good food around there too
<lgierth>
it's in oppelner strasse, 50m away from goerli
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, get some sleep. I'll be around tomorrow ~16:00Z if anyone want to do calls then
<krl>
lgierth: have to stay home waiting for my new computer to arrive
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<whyrusleeping>
krl: what did you get?
<lgierth>
heh nice
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<krl>
x201
<jbenet>
krl: lgierth whyrusleeping we just arrived at wifi oasis. Ok sounds good lets just do discussions tomorrow, with many of us in person. We should meet somewhere, maybe your workspace or cbase? -- critical things to work on are stuff for ccc
<jbenet>
whyrusleeping: I can discuss go ipfs later today too, I'll be up a while.
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<jbenet>
ehd you're welcome to join us, too
<ehd>
yay, welcome back in berlin :)
<whyrusleeping>
jbenet: tomorrow is good for me, i've made myself busy for the next couple hours
<jbenet>
Sounds good
<ehd>
it's ironic that i complain about messaging fragmentation and centralization monopolies and now grncdr isn't in this irc channel so i can't mention him in this context
<ehd>
close to giving up for the day
<ehd>
i'm reading the ipfs changelog to cheer me up
<jbenet>
:)
<whyrusleeping>
:D
<whyrusleeping>
jbenet: i want recordstore stuffffff
<whyrusleeping>
pls
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<jbenet>
whyrusleeping: yeah me too. Working on it today actually.
<whyrusleeping>
wooo!
<lgierth>
jbenet: cool let's for the meeting-likes the office space is probably best, it's cool and has officy equipment
<lgierth>
s/let's//
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to feat/real-rabin: http://git.io/v3ZW2
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/feat/real-rabin 4d287bc Jeromy: randomly getting a bad data layout shouldnt fail the tests...
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<whyrusleeping>
you guys hear about google?
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<ehd>
yeah
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<ehd>
by the way, i had to `ipfs config --json API.HTTPHeaders '{}'` before i could set values within the API.HTTPHeaders object
<whyrusleeping>
ehd: that feels like a big
<whyrusleeping>
bug*
<whyrusleeping>
mind filing one for us?
<ehd>
on it :)
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<whyrusleeping>
ehd: nice domain btw
<ehd>
just needs some effin' content
<ehd>
thank you :p
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