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<Luzifer> if someone wants to play around with binary-updating from gobuilder: https://github.com/Luzifer/gobuilder/blob/master/autoupdate/update.go (currently highly experimental but implemented in my radiopi project and working)
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<M-davidar> The protocol spec mentions that block exchange can be done over http rather than bitswap, is there any further documentation on how one would go about connecting a http server to the ipfs network?
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<whyrusleeping> M-davidar: we dont have that functionality yet, its on the TODO list though
<zignig> morning
<whyrusleeping> zignig: gmornin!
<rschulman> zignig: Good night!
* zignig flew 2000km yesterday , feeling a bit tired !
<whyrusleeping> o.o
<rschulman> zignig: From where to where?
<rschulman> hi whyrusleeping
<rschulman> also
<rschulman> :)
<whyrusleeping> rschulman: heyo!
<rschulman> how’s it going?
<whyrusleeping> going pretty well! took most of the day off to hang out with my uncle
<zignig> from perth.au to remote mine site in the nw of western australia
<zignig> replace broken hardware , reconfigure test , fly back to perth.
<rschulman> ouch, zignig
<rschulman> whyrusleeping: Awesome
<rschulman> I took my son to his first baseball game
<rschulman> he’s only 6 months old, but I think he grasped the basics of the game. :)
<rschulman> (I’m not sure he could even really make out the field)
<whyrusleeping> nice!
<rschulman> yeah
<whyrusleeping> rschulman: cant resolve... is your daemon on?
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<whyrusleeping> got it
<whyrusleeping> nice!
<rschulman> oh good
<rschulman> I was like “yes...."
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<zignig> worked for me too, @ the "Nationals"
<zignig> :)
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<rschulman> zignig: Local DC baseball team. :)
<rschulman> ps - if you’re an aussie, heard you guys had a bad time in England today...
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<zignig> don't really follow cricket , but the news site say that we got WHOOPED!
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<zignig> wq
* zignig bzzzzt wrong window.
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<whyrusleeping> zignig: i debated kicking you for that :P
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<zignig> :P
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<Quiark> hi, can IPFS work from behind work's NAT?
<whyrusleeping> Quiark: indeed it can!
<whyrusleeping> we can get through most NATs
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<whyrusleeping> there are a few scenarios we cant get through yet
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<Quiark> cool :) how? do I just find & connect nodes that are public?
<Quiark> or do you have NAT punching?
<whyrusleeping> we have NAT punching
<voxelot> punch hoes
<whyrusleeping> you just run the daemon
<voxelot> ehem.. holes
<whyrusleeping> and youll automatically connect to some peers
<Quiark> I'm sure our work net is so complicated and stupid it won't work :P
<whyrusleeping> Quiark: give it a shot :)
<whyrusleeping> if it doesnt work, let us know
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<Quiark> trying to find how to enable verbose logging
<Quiark> IPFS command reference on the web is broken
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<whyrusleeping> Quiark: link?
<whyrusleeping> to enable verbose logging you can use the 'ipfs log' command
<whyrusleeping> to turn them all to the highest level you can do 'ipfs log level all debug'
<Quiark> http://ipfs.io/docs/commands/ ... the links are broken
<whyrusleeping> huh, right you are
<whyrusleeping> Quiark: could you file an issue here? https://github.com/ipfs/website
<Quiark> k
<Quiark> whyrusleeping, so I can access the website mirror so it apparently works :)
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<whyrusleeping> nice :D
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<M-davidar> can someone check that this works?: ipfs block get QmeXxQrvpgbnXZmvWB312nGfy62PWivZsqUSW9b9zGakKf
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<Quiark> M-davidar, tried but still nothing
<M-davidar> Quiark: Hmm, I can access it locally, and the daemon's running
<whyrusleeping> M-davidar: whats your peer ID?
<M-davidar> whyrusleeping: QmaAW9nadviz28VKHJ3Aoqs5xetmDqT4Uc8pKEmU4fKvk8
<whyrusleeping> hmm... i cant see you on the network
<whyrusleeping> does ipfs swarm peers show anything?
<M-davidar> yeah, 45 lines
<whyrusleeping> very odd...
<whyrusleeping> alright
<whyrusleeping> looks like youve got a nasty NAT setup, and since i'm behind NAT as well, i cant dial you
<whyrusleeping> the peers you are connected are ones with a public IP
<M-davidar> shouldn't ipfs still work behind a nat?
<whyrusleeping> it does, but not when both peers are behind restrictive nats
<whyrusleeping> and thats just something we havent fixed yet
<whyrusleeping> my public node can read your s3fs file just fine
<whyrusleeping> er, i think i mean symmetric nat, not restrictive
<M-davidar> i thought the public nodes relayed stuff for nat'd nodes?
<whyrusleeping> not yet, thats planned in the next couple months
<whyrusleeping> its difficult to do in a way thats fair to the network
<M-davidar> ah, ok - it's hard to tell which parts of the spec have been implemented so far
<whyrusleeping> yeah...
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<whyrusleeping> we probably want to start keeping a list of planned vs implemented features
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<M-davidar> yeah, that would be helpful
<whyrusleeping> i'll bug the others about it, its a good thing to have
<whyrusleeping> but i'm off for the night
<whyrusleeping> gnite everyone!
<M-davidar> night
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<Quiark> so what cool things should I try with IPFS?
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<cryptix> hej
<cryptix> jbenet: i need a git pro to help with git-remote-ipfs.. i feel like i need to read a book about its protocols and tool structure first.. the documentation is terrible
<jbenet> hey cryptix o/ -- maybe ask chriscool on github.
<cryptix> i will once i can form a coherent question
<jbenet> try writing out the question-- helps thought
<cryptix> haha yea :) i meant, once the coffee kicks in ;)
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<jbenet> hey guys anyone have an extra CCC ticket? a friend is looking for one
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<rawtaz> are they out?
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<M-davidar> is there a way to get ipfs add -r to use less memory? the OOM keeps killing it for large directories
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<rschulman> morning everyon
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<Quiark> aren't you afraid that ISPs will block IPFS because warezing?
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<rschulman> Quiark: IPFS doesn’t enable warezing (seriously? do people still call it that?) any more than the WWW does.
<Quiark> imho the simplest way to name that activity
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<rschulman> heh
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<whyrusleeping> M-davidar: how large of a directory? (total size of contents) and how much memory do you have?
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<rschulman> whyrusleeping: mornin
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<whyrusleeping> rschulman: mornin!
<rschulman> how are things in seattle?
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<whyrusleeping> eh, kinda weird
<whyrusleeping> my girlfriends rear license plate got stolen
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<jbenet> whyrusleeping: suggest changing it-- likely going to use it for something.
<whyrusleeping> yeah, shes already reported it and we're going to get new ones when the place opens up
<rschulman> that’s pretty odd, yeah
<whyrusleeping> can someone explain how this function works? https://github.com/feross/drag-drop/blob/master/index.js#L76
<whyrusleeping> the scoping is bizarre
<rschulman> I love how functions can have other functions within them in javascript
<rschulman> what a crazy language.
<whyrusleeping> yeah, its moderately absurd
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<rschulman> oh, I know its just a feature of first order functions
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<rschulman> still funny though. :)
<whyrusleeping> like, i want to use the stack to do recursive type calls
<whyrusleeping> but i'm not sure if thats possible here
<whyrusleeping> because i dont understand the scoping there at all
<jbenet> whyrusleeping what's the question?
<jbenet> i can walk you through it
<whyrusleeping> i want to keep track of the directories that each file dropped is in
<whyrusleeping> but the scoping where he calls readEntries() is weird
<whyrusleeping> he creates a reader there
<whyrusleeping> and then uses it in what (to me) looks like a different scope
<whyrusleeping> so i'm fairly certain i wouldnt be able to do anything that resembles the code i would write in Go
<jbenet> sec
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<jbenet> the callback stuff is very confusing at first
<whyrusleeping> so wtf does var mean?
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<whyrusleeping> i'm just going to write what i want, and compile it with gopherjs
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<jbenet> whyrusleeping: var declares a variable in _local_ scope. the if { ... } does not bump the scope, so it's as if the var is in the function's scopre.
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<whyrusleeping> jbenet: huh, okay
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<cryptix> hrm.. why is the dockerfile using VOLUME /data/ipfs? couldnt it be under /var or something and still be linked outside if needed?
<cryptix> (i tried to use the container on wercker https://app.wercker.com/#buildstep/55c4eb3c89944e705605ffb0 )
<whyrusleeping> cryptix: idk man
<lgierth> cryptix: no particular reason
<cryptix> i guess i could fork it
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<lgierth> or change it. i don't know who's using the dockerfile at the moment
<lgierth> the gateways use a different one
<lgierth> (still)
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<rschulman> quiet in here today
<cryptix> busy ;)
<cryptix> sigh.. if id get that container running and the :5001 port exposed to me, this would be a nice ci example
<whyrusleeping> rschulman: just hacking away!
<rschulman> well, keep it up then!
<whyrusleeping> trying to be extra productive since i took most of yesterday off and had my morning eaten
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<whyrusleeping> i've almost got directory dragging and dropping working :D
<rschulman> :D
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<cryptix> sounds nice :)
<whyrusleeping> yeap! its gonna be pretty sweet
<whyrusleeping> but its relying on a lot of unmerged code
<whyrusleeping> so its difficult for anyone else to try yet...
<cryptix> living on the bleeding edge :P
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<whyrusleeping> lol
<whyrusleeping> the edge is only bleeding because i cut myself on it
<cryptix> i did some soulsearching/codecleanup on git-remote-ipfs and think i know what to do for push buut... still digging
<whyrusleeping> cryptix: best of luck to you! :D
<whyrusleeping> alright so my todo list right now looks like: rabin, mfs, my-app-thing, osx-fuse, node-constructor-refactor
<cryptix> feels a bit silly at this point right now, since you can clone && $work && git commit && git-ipfs-rehost and give that to somebody else
<whyrusleeping> but being able to do 'git push ipfs-blah master' would be awesome
<cryptix> but 'git push origin' which uses the original cloned .. yea :)
<cryptix> espc if you want to update ipns entries later
<whyrusleeping> yeap!
<cryptix> haha nice.. i used an outdated fork of whyrusleeping/ipfs-shell
<whyrusleeping> did i break something in the meantime?
<cryptix> nope, just wanted to complain about missing godoc :p
<cryptix> https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs-shell/blob/master/shell.go#L457 the hash param threw me off and i thought i need to resolve it myself to the root first
<whyrusleeping> whoops
<whyrusleeping> cryptix: i need to come hug you and make you feel better
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<cryptix> hehe yea ^^
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<lgierth> end-to-end ux testing: https://pad.systemli.org/p/battlemesh-ux
<lgierth> oops wrong channel
<rschulman> does the api on 5001 take any random byte string when calling add?
<rschulman> the command documentation says it takes a path, but I don’t know if that’s true for the api too
<whyrusleeping> random byte string?
<whyrusleeping> rschulman: o/
<rschulman> I mean
<rschulman> am I passing it the content of what I want added or a path to a file I want added?
<whyrusleeping> add takes a byte stream
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<rschulman> danke
<rschulman> :)
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to feat/real-rabin: http://git.io/vOh99
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/real-rabin b799a16 Jeromy: work chunking interface changes up into importer...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to feat/mfs: http://git.io/vOhNK
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/mfs 08ebb4f Jeromy: dashp option for mkdir should not report error on already exists...
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<whyrusleeping> ugh, i really wish we didnt have to hijack the http connections...
<whyrusleeping> (for the API)
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to feat/mfs: http://git.io/vOjtc
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/mfs b57522c Jeromy: mfs ls should get hashes...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feat/real-rabin from b799a16 to 3f33df1: http://git.io/vOjqR
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/real-rabin 3f33df1 Jeromy: work chunking interface changes up into importer...
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<whyrusleeping> rschulman: you said you were having trouble with the ipns mountpoint on osx?
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<cryptix> hah.. oh man.. i should have found and read the internals chapter of the git book much earlier..
<rschulman> whyrusleeping: I was/am
<rschulman> haven’t tried it in a while.
<rschulman> just got home with wife + son, though so probably can’t chat for an hour or so at this point
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<livegnik> Hi everyone. I'm a bit of an IPFS-n00b, but have already read some documentation and watched a few videos.
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<livegnik> I was wondering if anyone here knows if it's possible to run a Bitcoin-node on IPFS. Any experience by any chance?
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<livegnik> I want to run sort-like software, Identifi, which is a fork of bitcoind (w/o a blockchain, just sqlite3) and utilizes the same networking mostly. Therefore my question.
<gatesvp> @livegnik what exactly do you mean by "run a bitcoin node on IPFS?" IPFS is effectively a distributed filesystem...
<gatesvp> so you could theoretically host the block chain in IPFS
<gatesvp> I'm not the expert here, but I believe that some people have already tried such things (see Ethereum)
<livegnik> Yes, interesting. Since there's no blockchain involved here ... Each node floods all info to all other nodes. Each node is identified by a pubkey, so a node has to whitelist that pubkey into its own WoT in order to store the other nodes messages.
<livegnik> Cool, thanks! I'll check it out.
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<livegnik> The thing with the public nodes is that you'd like to ensure that a certain node is flooding all the information. Not sure how yet, but I thought there might be a possible way to obtain this goal via IPFS.
<livegnik> ... apart from using a blockchain. ;)
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<gatesvp> @livegnik: Just looking at the Identifi docs, it sounds like you're trying to build a distributed social network.
<rschulman> livegnik: Think of IPFS as a distribution network, and you’ll be most of the way there
<rschulman> whyrusleeping: o/
<gatesvp> Hey, so was I, then I realized that the distributed file system isn't really "there" yet, which is what pulled me into IPFS...
<gatesvp> honestly, the missing part on IPFS is the whole key infrastructure... right now each IPFS node currently generate a Pub/Priv key pair, but those are not really editable or importable
<gatesvp> However, they can be used for effectively creating a permalink
<gatesvp> We're still discussing the implementation of managing a key-chain within an IPFS node (AFAIK), but once that's done, this whole distributed social network is just a layer of apps over top of the IPFS basics
<gatesvp> #my2cents #ymmv