lgierth changed the topic of #ipfs to: go-ipfs 0.4.0 released at dist.ipfs.io! Update! Now! -- IPFS - InterPlanetary File System -- https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs -- Channel logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/ -- Code of Conduct: https://github.com/ipfs/community/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md -- Sprints: https://github.com/ipfs/pm
<alu> npm WARN This failure might be due to the use of legacy binary "node"
<alu> /usr/bin/env: node: No such file or directory
<alu> errors
<voxelot_> :/
<voxelot_> sudo npm cache clean -f
<voxelot_> sudo npm install -g n
<voxelot_> sudo n stable
<alu> ahh thats how its done
<alu> i was reading about n
<alu> gunna run npm install now again
<alu> it looks niceeee
<voxelot_> got it running?
<alu> I'll check after I'm done doing npm install then npm start
<alu> im gawking at the npm install progress bar lol
<voxelot_> haha
<alu> okay its running but my error on localhost:3000 is Cannot GET /
<alu> now im starting daemon then starting server
<alu> Same error again
<voxelot_> ohh check your browser logs, you should see some access restricted notes
<voxelot_> one sec
<alu> :| its not working on chrome or firefox
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<voxelot_> whats the log in console?
<alu> Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) uhhhhh
<alu> Module not found: Error: Cannot resolve module 'react-redux-toastr' in /home/alu/repo/webui/app/scripts/containers
<alu> i have a few of these too
<alu> in npm verbose
<voxelot_> there is a chance that the new stuff is not in a working state, i'm trying to build it now myself
<alu> npm: '3.8.3', 'ipfs-webui': '0.3.0',
<voxelot_> i'm getting the same
<alu> hmm okay
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<voxelot_> maybe the new network broke some stuff as well
<alu> I see, I'll move on to something else in the meantime
<alu> I wanna share some progress with AVALON with you this week
<voxelot_> ping dignifiedquire when europe wakes up :D
<alu> or whenev u back
<voxelot_> sure, i can be free any evening
<voxelot_> i'm backj, just got over a flu
<alu> tomorrow good with you?
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<voxelot_> yeah, say 7:30ish?
<alu> Sounds good, IPFS performance has really gotten better and more stable with 0.4.0 release. Great job with everything, can catchup w/ progress in metaverse labs before implementing certain features.
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] noffle opened pull request #2555: Adds tests to make sure 'object patch' writes. (master...1925test) https://git.io/vVxYv
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feature/add-wrap-long-desc from 8b3bcf4 to a94f9da: https://git.io/vaoC8
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/add-wrap-long-desc a94f9da Richard Littauer: Added a long description to add...
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<achin> does anyone know if i can use the new ipfs-files stuff to manipulate an arbitrary hash, instead of using the object-patch interface?
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<lgierth> achin: the object needs to be under the files api root
<lgierth> i *think* you can move stuff there
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vVxnT
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master 6d25aca Stephen Whitmore: Adds tests to make sure 'object patch' writes....
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master 70af4dd Jeromy Johnson: Merge pull request #2555 from noffle/1925test...
<voxelot> daviddias: ping
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping closed pull request #1926: Add testcase for issue reported in #1925 (master...1925test) https://git.io/vl0es
<achin> noffle++
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted feature/object-patch-set-data-docs at 568e508: https://git.io/vVxcN
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted feature/add-wrap-long-desc at a94f9da: https://git.io/vVxch
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<alu> how do i add an ipfs directory but ignore certain files?
<alu> I'm doing ipfs add -rq *.obj *.mtl but want the folder too which I usually do .
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<achin> -w will wrap files in a folder
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] RichardLitt deleted feat/files-api at 3e23a91: https://git.io/vVxz5
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feat/debug-events from 10885ce to a7d3c95: https://git.io/vgVBB
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/debug-events 6850269 Jeromy: better log statements for debug...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/debug-events 428768f Jeromy: initial hack for adding verbose mode to 'cat'...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/debug-events 84fdf6b Jeromy: add more events for debugging...
<alu> thanks achin !
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted clean-all-bins at 908fb95: https://git.io/vVxa4
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vVxaw
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master e86c82c Michael Muré: Add log events when blocks are added/removed from the blockstore...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master b0a613f Jeromy Johnson: Merge pull request #1892 from MichaelMure/blockstore_log...
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<alu> jbenet: I'm listening to your talk and ya mention the origins of the web, wondering if you have read Tim Berner's Lee book "Weaving The Web". I'm sure you're deeply familiar already, a fellow webVR developer recommended it to me. ^^
<alu> is ipfs station updated for 0.4.0 just wonderin
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<whyrusleeping> alu: i'm not sure...
<whyrusleeping> we might have to push a new build for it
<whyrusleeping> all the people who work on that are asleep i think
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<sivachandran> whyrusleeping: I got AWS S3 working as datastore for IPFS blocks
<sivachandran> I basically used leveldb for non-block data and S3 for blocks
<sivachandran> This is a POC and not in form that can be integrated with ipfs code base
<sivachandran> whyrusleeping: I need your help in making the changes proper and integrating with ipfs
<whyrusleeping> sivachandran: sure thing. how did you do your implementation?
<sivachandran> whyrusleeping: first of all I am not sure how can one specify which datastore to use when initializing the ipfs
<whyrusleeping> we cant specify that on init yet, its been on the todo list
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<sivachandran> do you have any plan on how to do that?
<whyrusleeping> i was thinking of having a config overwrite type flag
<whyrusleeping> that could accept some json
<whyrusleeping> to overwrite the default with
<sivachandran> whyrusleeping: the changes are based on the s3 branch but uses s3gof3r package for S3 access
<sivachandran> i was thinking of passing a template as parameter to init
<sivachandran> this approach enables another use case of using existing key-pair instead of generating new one
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<whyrusleeping> yeah, true
<sivachandran> is there any notes/wiki related to this?
<whyrusleeping> not really, no
<whyrusleeping> youre basically going to want to pass a file to init through a flag
<sivachandran> yes, right
<sivachandran> i will come up with the changes
<sivachandran> another question, in leveldb we are storing only instance specific information right?
<jbenet> there could be flags for some common defaults, too. like `ipfs init --datastore-s3=<config>`
<jbenet> also, stdin, not just file: `ipfs init --config <configfile`
<sivachandran> oh, okay
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<sivachandran> regarding leveldb, at any point i can recreate the leveldb provided i have the original key-pair right? of course i lose all the pinned hashes.
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<afdudley> whyrusleeping: how's life?
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<whyrusleeping> afdudley: busy, but happy to be back in seattle
<whyrusleeping> you?
<afdudley> doing pretty good, looking into private ipfs.
<afdudley> is there a flag for this?
<afdudley> i'm looking at 'ipfs daemon'
<whyrusleeping> not yet
<whyrusleeping> i was working on it in january but didnt get it finished
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<nicolagreco> some very cool work being presented today at WWW conf https://github.com/Chat-Wane/CRATE (a collaborative text editor with CRDTs and gossip) that scales really well - hundreds of nodes connected and editing at the same time
<nicolagreco> noffle, haad ^
<lgierth> ansuz: ^
<nicolagreco> it works with webRTC in the browser ^
<fleeky> this is a bit of crazy talk , but is there any possible way to use the dht of ipfs to connect to say the webserver of the device with whatever dht hash ?
<fleeky> so you could basically connect to dhthas:port
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<tmg> nicolagreco: is it anything more than tmux in the browser?
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<tmg> fleeky: check out `ipfs name --help`
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<ion> tmg: It does sound way different.
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<fleeky> tmg: thanks ill look at that, still need to wrap my head around it a bit
<fleeky> so with this you would still need a webserver setup that uses ipfs hashes for urls ?
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<tmg> fleeky: nope, you can resolve your domain to an IPFS tree object so relative links will work like in a normal web browser (e.g., /ipfs/<hash>/index.html --links-to--> /ipfs/<hash>/foo.bar)
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<fleeky> so for absolute links i would need some rewriting rules or somesuch solution?
<fleeky> thats still pretty cool though im going to have to try that out
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<haad> nicolagreco: sounds cool! will take a closer look
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<dignifiedquire> voxelot: pong
<afdudley> whyrusleeping: cool, thanks.
<haad> dignifiedquire: I wanna start running tests inthe browser, I suppose with Karma, is dignified.js what I need to get started quickly?
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<dignifiedquire> haad: yes that's the idea
<dignifiedquire> that it brings everything to run tests with webpack and mocha through karma in the browser
<haad> cool
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<dignifiedquire> haad: let me know if anything doesn't work/you have qs :)
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid created greenkeeper-ipfs-merkle-dag-0.4.0 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vVphW
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/greenkeeper-ipfs-merkle-dag-0.4.0 0b8beed greenkeeperio-bot: chore(package): update ipfs-merkle-dag to version 0.4.0...
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<dignifiedquire> !pin QmSpMR7kkkzQjov37Nv5xhRRXof7Rnt3Z1TL8G8wjPFbfW ipld-cli
<pinbot> now pinning /ipfs/QmSpMR7kkkzQjov37Nv5xhRRXof7Rnt3Z1TL8G8wjPFbfW
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid deleted greenkeeper-ipfs-merkle-dag-0.4.0 at 0b8beed: https://git.io/vVhvG
<demize> dignifiedquire: Ooh, that looks cool.
<dignifiedquire> demize: it's just an npm install -g ipld-cli away :)
<demize> Well, I don't actually currently have ipfs set up on my work laptop. ;p
<demize> But mmmm.
<demize> Actually, I should get some tiny computer thingy to have running 24/7 on my desk. Would be useful.
<dignifiedquire> demize: this does not use ipfs
<dignifiedquire> it's just for local testing
<demize> Ah. Well, not sure if I want to have node installed on my work laptop if I can get away with not having it, either. ;p
<haad> hey berliners, and others nearby, https://github.com/ipfs/community/issues/116
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<pinbot> [host 1] failed to grab refs for /ipfs/QmSpMR7kkkzQjov37Nv5xhRRXof7Rnt3Z1TL8G8wjPFbfW: unknown ipfs-shell error encoding: text/html - "<html>\r\n<head><title>504 Gateway Time-out</title></head>\r\n<body bgcolor=\"white\">\r\n<center><h1>504 Gateway Time-out</h1></center>\r\n<hr><center>nginx/1.9.3</center>\r\n</body>\r\n</html>\r\n"
<pinbot> [host 0] failed to grab refs for /ipfs/QmSpMR7kkkzQjov37Nv5xhRRXof7Rnt3Z1TL8G8wjPFbfW: unknown ipfs-shell error encoding: text/html - "<html>\r\n<head><title>504 Gateway Time-out</title></head>\r\n<body bgcolor=\"white\">\r\n<center><h1>504 Gateway Time-out</h1></center>\r\n<hr><center>nginx/1.9.3</center>\r\n</body>\r\n</html>\r\n"
<pinbot> [host 7] failed to grab refs for /ipfs/QmSpMR7kkkzQjov37Nv5xhRRXof7Rnt3Z1TL8G8wjPFbfW: unknown ipfs-shell error encoding: text/html - "<html>\r\n<head><title>504 Gateway Time-out</title></head>\r\n<body bgcolor=\"white\">\r\n<center><h1>504 Gateway Time-out</h1></center>\r\n<hr><center>nginx/1.9.3</center>\r\n</body>\r\n</html>\r\n"
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire deleted greenkeeper-gulp-load-plugins-1.2.1 at 2ed59ef: https://git.io/vVhrT
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: ping
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: pong?
<dignifiedquire> :)
<dignifiedquire> do you have a moment to talk about js-ipfs?
<daviddias> dignifiedquire Can't Talk now, but any blocking concerns ?
<dignifiedquire> no, just trying to plan my near term future
<dignifiedquire> not urgent, so just ping me when you have a moment
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: I need all the help I can get :)
<dignifiedquire> :D
<dignifiedquire> that's the reason we should talk :P
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<haad> dignifiedquire: sorry, can't use dignified.js :/
<dignifiedquire> haad: :O
<haad> "All source code should be placed under src, with the main entry point being src/index.js." <-- nope
<dignifiedquire> why is that an issue?
<haad> because my structure is different and have two different index.js files (index.js and index-native.js)
<haad> and in general, forcing convention via lib is a no-go for me
<haad> oh well, will figure out an alternative way
<dignifiedquire> we could make it configurable, it just makes things more complicated
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<M-CCLXI> Can IPFS work over NAT?
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<daviddias> haad yeah, don't feel that you need to use it. It is just a tool that makes our life easier over the panoply of js-ipfs modules. You are able to use them without having to hear about dignified or even webpack :)
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: I did a pres at the Uni today, enroute to home. Since it was in the other campus, I'll still need a bit of time.
<daviddias> Will ping you when I get back :)
<dignifiedquire> daviddias: sure thing :)
<daviddias> Had a very good question from a student "what do you mean when you say that it enables the Web to work offline, is that even possible?" :D
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<daviddias> My eyes rejoiced :D
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<haad> dignifiedquire: I might take that back and try to use dignified.js. Just remembered that one doesn't simply go and test code in the browser. Especially with ES6 all over the place :D
<dignifiedquire> haad: :D
<haad> man I hope, some day, we will get the browser js tooling on par with nodejs...
<nicolagreco> that ^
<haad> :)
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: back by any chance?
<richardlitt> I'm confused by IPFS!
<dignifiedquire> lol
<daviddias> 5 mins:)
<richardlitt> No but seriously. I've pulled from master into my go-ipfs directory, ran `make build`, but the daemon isn't reflecting the code.
<richardlitt> What did I forget to do?
<daviddias> make install
<daviddias> :)
<richardlitt> make build doesn't cover that?
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<achin> "make build" will not put the ipfs binary in $GOPATH/bin/
<richardlitt> Well this is silly.
<achin> it'll say in $GOPATH/src/.../go-ipfs/cmd/ipfs
<achin> s/say/stay/
<daviddias> richardlitt: what achin explained
<daviddias> building is just compiling the code
<daviddias> (and downloading the deps)
<richardlitt> Word.
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<dignifiedquire> richardlitt: also all this was made to confuse you :)
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: I'm ready
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<richardlitt> Like all things.
<achin> life without a moderate amount of confusion would just be boring
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<richardlitt> Or it would be less confusing.
<achin> that seems to be a hard point to refute
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<richardlitt> what is a FindProviders query supposed to do?
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<richardlitt> Actually, what is `ipfs dht findprovs <key>` supposed to do?
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<achin> return a list of peers who can provide the given hash
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<achin> (which is actually pretty much what the help description says too)
<richardlitt> It also returns peers if the hash is ... not a hash
<richardlitt> Try it using the word 'kitten'
<achin> i see a bunch of debugging output, but no peers
<daviddias> richardlitt: findprovs uses the DHT to find records other peers left in the network with pointers to a given value
<achin> this is a normal resutl for findprovs: https://gist.github.com/eminence/a91f3f65af7d64ead8153183ba266cbf
<daviddias> richardlitt: here is a 1 minute explanation of how a DHT works https://youtu.be/-S-Tc7Gl8FM?t=13m6s let me know if it helps :)
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<daviddias> time 13m06s
<achin> i, however, am disappointed about the lack of kittens in our DHT
<achin> huh...
* achin has no idea
<richardlitt> daviddias: huh, cool
<richardlitt> Doesn't help me figure out what is going on with this output, though
<M-CCLXI> Can someone check why the directory I share cannot be ls'ed from elsewhere?
<daviddias> richardlitt: that would be a impl detail. there is no technical limitation to store any kind of values on the DHT
<achin> M-CCLXI: what's the hash?
<M-CCLXI> QmeGjAzEMa2YsG8S9nTBLCWB7hEmfcof43d4PMGwnWakWL
<M-CCLXI> It's a directory with ~15k images
<M-CCLXI> On the same host ls works fine, but on remote hosts it fails
<achin> what version is your ipfs node, and how many peers is it connected to, M-CCLXI ?
<M-CCLXI> 0.4.4
<M-CCLXI> *0
<M-CCLXI> 19 peers
<achin> what's your peerid?
<M-CCLXI> How do I get it?
<achin> ahh, i was just able to get this WakWL hash
<M-CCLXI> Ah, found it
<M-CCLXI> QmeHp9hAV7g6aMNTyX3CabkttTMc1pphv9H6Jv5qUwRJmq
<M-CCLXI> ^ I assume this is node ID
<achin> i didn't try to download every link within QmeGjAzEMa2YsG8S9nTBLCWB7hEmfcof43d4PMGwnWakWL, but i was able to do 'ipfs refs QmeGjAzEMa2YsG8S9nTBLCWB7hEmfcof43d4PMGwnWakWL'
<M-CCLXI> refs works for me too
<M-CCLXI> But not ls
<M-CCLXI> If ls does not work, I assume there is no point trying to download it either
<achin> i'm worried that 'ls' will actually try to download each link
<M-CCLXI> What for?
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<M-CCLXI> And, can it show some progress then?
<achin> i can't remember. i think because it wants to check to see if each link is a unixfs object, or something like that
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<M-CCLXI> Currently when doing ls you don't see if it actually does anything of just frozen
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<achin> right. if you open a new terminal and run "ipfs bitswap wantlist" a few times, you'll see that your daemon is actually dwonloading stuf
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<M-CCLXI> I just tried 'get' on this dir and my entire system got frozen in a second
<M-CCLXI> Had to reboot the machine
<achin> that doesn't sounds good
<M-CCLXI> Enough experiments for today :D
<achin> out of memory, maybe?
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<M-CCLXI> I don't even know what happened
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<M-CCLXI> I had no chance to get top or other statistics
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<M-CCLXI> When I used 0.3 and had memory leak issues while adding files, the memory grew slowly and I could stop the process any time
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<M-CCLXI> But not it just died the moment I hit enter
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<M-CCLXI> *now
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<achin> what this a remote machine?
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<M-CCLXI> This is a local machine
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<computerfreak> can i use multiple ipfs identities on one daemon somehow? And can i do that over JS from within an webapp? :P (like pasting some privatekey to ''login'')
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<computerfreak> where 'login' means, getting ipns-pubkey write-access
<achin> computerfreak: "not yet" is i think the answer
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #146: lodash@4.11.0 breaks build ⚠️ (master...greenkeeper-lodash-4.11.0) https://git.io/vVj6D
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<noffle> nicolagreco: wow! so polished too!
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<nicolagreco> noffle: yes the guys that are making it are really sharp
<noffle> where do you see the details re gossip, etc?
<noffle> this is really great -- very similar to what I've been working on re technical approach. one superpower that it lacks though is IPFS storage :)
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<nicolagreco> noffle: the gossip is Spray (there is a paper and a js library)
<nicolagreco> noffle: if you are planning on working on this keep me in the loop since I am playing with that
<nicolagreco> noffle: .. also, I talked with the author today and he mentioned to me that they want to save the current state
<nicolagreco> noffle: .. in a DHT, so they would solve the problem of persisting the state
<nicolagreco> noffle: .. otherwise if anyone closes their browser the content disappears
<nicolagreco> noffle: .. however, the author said that it is more efficient to ask to the gossip network than to the dht
<nicolagreco> noffle: .. but I did not really follow then, I will ask today
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire:
<nicolagreco> (ops)
<dignifiedquire> a wild empty message appears
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: I basically have a second brain dump, I hope this is makes my idea of layer 3 more clear https://github.com/ipfs/specs/issues/91#issuecomment-209530683
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: .. in the way it should be
<dignifiedquire> reading now :)
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: (I am trying to this new IRC client and I am used to the previous one keystrokes!)
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<noffle> nicolagreco: yep, that makes sense
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: also I am starting to think that if we use `.` for blocks and `/` for objects, it could be a great idea
<noffle> nicolagreco: as long as SOMEONE is alive in the gossip network for a document you could retrieve state again
<nicolagreco> noffle: I was so excited when he showed me the demo and the way they scale
<noffle> nicolagreco: this is the approach I took in my ipfs wiki thing
<noffle> nicolagreco: yeah! this is extremely impressive
<noffle> nicolagreco: I need to figure out where that puts my project :)
<nicolagreco> noffle: same thing on IPFS though.. (with bitswap - if I am not wrong)
<dignifiedquire> nicolagreco: the issue with "." is that it might be used by keys and that way we have two seperators that users need to escape in their keys
<noffle> nicolagreco: only kind of. the ipfs swarm is more powerful I think because it's not a per-document swarm
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: that is a solved problem, you can use an escape character in the path
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: if it is not a leaf (like pic.jpg), then you can do the way JSONPointer spec does, which is replacing it by ~1
<nicolagreco> but I agree maybe not the nicest char
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: what I am trying to show is that we might have the power to encode both in one
<dignifiedquire> my current implementation just uses \ for escaping like regexes, so /hash/my\/key/ works
<dignifiedquire> so we can do the same thing with .
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<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: yes exactly
<dignifiedquire> like this: /hash/hello\.jpg/details
<ShalokShalom> hi there :)
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: in jsonpointer RFC they use ~2 for /
<ShalokShalom> i read a lot about ipfs and an idea appears to my mind
<nicolagreco> noffle: have a look at LSeq, that's their trick
<dignifiedquire> I'd rather not use sth that is non human readable, using \ for escaping is very widely used
<ShalokShalom> is there already a project, which wraps casual CMS like allura or whatever and send it via WebRTC or something into the decentral net?
<ShalokShalom> via ipfs, zeronet and so on?
<nicolagreco> noffle: they assign one identifier for each char, but what they do cleverly is that they assign a char that is log(n), n being the length of the document
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<noffle> nicolagreco: hehe, yeah, logarithmic growth for ids is very important. I tackled this a whole ago: https://github.com/noffle/bisecting-between
<noffle> but I'll check out the papers
<nicolagreco> noffle: oh great! I want to know how you do that
<noffle> there's a lot of write-up here: https://github.com/noffle/bisecting-numbers
<noffle> but I hacked it together in a day or two
<nicolagreco> noffle: basically CRATE is Spray + LSeq and nice webrtc multiplexing/relying
<nicolagreco> noffle: I am also very new to these concepts - but I am learning quite fast lately
<dignifiedquire> nicolagreco: I don't understand what @merge is
<noffle> nicolagreco: yeah! my approach was super similar, using https://github.com/noffle/secure-gossip for gossip and https://github.com/mafintosh/webrtc-swarm for webrtc+relaying
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: instead of having shards
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<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: I define shards with @merge
<noffle> feeling vindicated in my design choices
<nicolagreco> @merge in IPLD objects will resolve all the ones in the list and merge the objects
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<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: it is just a notation thing, I could have written that in many way, but that is an example of how we could do sharding
<dignifiedquire> that sounds like something ipld shouldn't do itself, as merge can be very application specific
<dignifiedquire> ok
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: no, of course, but that is like the sharding, how do you identify that sharding is happening
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: we can discuss more on this later or during the hangout
<dignifiedquire> sounds good
<ShalokShalom> does anybody know a project, which wraps casual CMS like allura or whatever and send it via WebRTC or something into the decentral net? via ipfs?
<nicolagreco> dignifiedquire: .. the key idea of that post is that you resolve everything up until what the path is describing, no more
<nicolagreco> noffle: how do you do shuffling?
<nicolagreco> noffle: I was looking at the secure-gossip code (btw CRATE doesn't do secure gossip)
<noffle> nicolagreco: ah, you'll have to humour me: shuffling?
<nicolagreco> noffle: .. and I could not find how you randomize and keep on randomizing the peers you connect to
<nicolagreco> noffle: .. otherwise you may end up creating network partitions
<noffle> nicolagreco: it's really more like time-controlled flooding (i.e. all peers)
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<noffle> I haven't done much scaling testing, so that may/may not change
<noffle> it was mostly just to get something working so I could move forward prototyping
<noffle> but the security angle and the API are solid
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<nicolagreco> noffle: what I have seen from the code, peers are fixed once I connect to them
<noffle> unless their stream ends
<nicolagreco> noffle: .. in a gossip - for what I have understood - you want to keep disconnecting and reconnecting to the peers
<nicolagreco> noffle: otherwise you will only learn from a partition of the network that they create
<nicolagreco> brb
<noffle> I don't think that disconnecting/reconnecting is an inherent property of gossip -- just that you're choosing peers at random from some set/subset
<noffle> but that's something that whatever is running secure-gossip could do by creating/deleting peer gossip streams
<ShalokShalom> does anybody know a project, which wraps casual CMS like allura or whatever and send it via WebRTC or something into ipfs?
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<ansuz> had to scroll really far back to see my highlight
<ansuz> latest version of cryptpad
<ansuz> we haven't tested hundreds of users, but it's WYSIWYG
<ansuz> not text
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created feat/i-am-why-deleter-of-code (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vweOm
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/i-am-why-deleter-of-code 79f9807 Jeromy: remove a ton of unused godeps...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #2557: remove a ton of unused godeps (master...feat/i-am-why-deleter-of-code) https://git.io/vweO3
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<sametsisartenep> Hi
<sametsisartenep> I don't understand something here...
<achin> what's up?
<sametsisartenep> I block every incoming packet but the ones "RELATED" or "ESTABLISHED" and, when torrenting, there's no connection problem but when I use IPFS it cannot get more than 32 peers
<sametsisartenep> When using Windows 10, IPFS v0.3.11 it gets like 130 or so
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<sametsisartenep> I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or it's just like that, thoug I find it kind of weird
<sametsisartenep> though*
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<achin> this may not be related, but i too have noticed the number of peers is consistantly much lower in 0.4.0 (compared to 0.3.11)
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<achin> same as what you're seeing -- 30 or 40 instead of 130 or 140
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<sametsisartenep> Are you able to check your file throught the gateway once you add it to your node?
<sametsisartenep> files*
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feat/i-am-why-deleter-of-code from 79f9807 to e79e1d3: https://git.io/vwenR
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/i-am-why-deleter-of-code e79e1d3 Jeromy: remove a ton of unused godeps...
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<whyrusleeping> sametsisartenep: there are likely only 40 or so peers on the network right now
<whyrusleeping> we just made the official release of 0.4.0
<whyrusleeping> and 0.3.11 is a different network now
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<sametsisartenep> Ok, thank you. By the way, I just got it working, I mean, I can see each file throught the gateway with no problem
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<sametsisartenep> Well, thank you both :-)
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<vijayee> so relative to js-ipfs I had concerns on loading ipfs content in the browser in https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/issues/127
<vijayee> any thoughts?
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<noffle> vijayee: if you could humour me: what does "Resolving dependency requests in a page" mean in this context?
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<vijayee> just the browser making requests to a server or file system for a file
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<noffle> hm. yeah, I think I'm not grokking exactly what pieces this task entails; it's still not making sense to me. it might be redundant for you, but it might help folks like me if you perhaps made a reply on the issue that listed out the explicit steps that needed to happen for this example to work
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<MadcapJake> whyrusleeping: I'm playing around with GX and noticing that some imports hang indefinitely. I just copied some of the hashes from the go-ipfs package.json and it's getting stuck after the 2nd import.
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<vijayee> noffle, I'll do that. In my mind we have a ipfs node with a repo containing html content and it depencies
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<noffle> vijayee: is that content already present, or does it need to fetch it from IPFS via some hash?
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<vijayee> but how do we display it in the browser and have its dependencies served as though they were coming from the server or filesystem
<vijayee> noffle, lets assume the html content is there already, and just concerne with the rendering of it
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<whyrusleeping> MadcapJake: hrm... which imports?
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<whyrusleeping> if the ipfs hash in it isnt resolveable, then it will hang
<noffle> so, the goal is to take a website stored at some hash that's already in the browser repo, and render the index.html in the current tab?
<whyrusleeping> because its trying to find it and cant
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<MadcapJake> whyrusleeping: go-log Qmazh5oNUVsDZTs2g59rq8aYQqwpss8tcUWQzor5sCCEuH
<MadcapJake> it gets through the first two and then stops
<MadcapJake> (first two deps)
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<MadcapJake> also strange, it says that go-net was fetched but if I try and import that key alone, and it hangs too.
<vijayee> noffle, yeah. I made the assumption it would work the same as any static site served off of a gateway. This assumption might be erroneous in this context but I assumed it was the ideal
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<noffle> maybe I'm missing something, but this seems a bit confusing -- where would doing this be useful?
<vijayee> noffle: however a gateway is a server serving all the resources in a way a browser jives with
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<vijayee> it would be useful to server a page fully p2p but maybe this is not possible at this juncture
<noffle> serving *data* fully p2p is awesome, but you still need someone to host the ipfs JS code before you can p2p load the page :)
<vijayee> indeed
<MadcapJake> whyrusleeping: should there be some kind of timeout? I'm guessing this is just due to the network not really having enough nodes, right? So I'm just not connected to the right people :P
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<noffle> maybe daviddias can clarify
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<vijayee> noffle: but there's not enough detail in the issue to tell what the initial ideas on how this would work were, so I'm trying to figure out what was considered at the time of its creation
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<noffle> that's fair. sounds like getting canonical info from dd would be best before more cycles get put in though
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<whyrusleeping> MadcapJake: yeah, adding a timeout would be good. I actually pushed some code to the go-ipfs-api to allow that, but i guess i forgot to get it into gx
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<vijayee> noffle: otherwise their would be no point of putting the node in the browser in my eyes it would just work like a desktop d/l client
<MadcapJake> whyrusleeping: I'm in the midst of writing a gx-perl6 and I was wondering how you are testing?
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<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: I rebased the PR :p
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<noffle> vijayee: my understanding was js-ipfs being a tool to pull data into a website (like distributed, content-address ajax)
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<vijayee> noffle: if that's the case then that is consistent with my last approach where the html content creators know how to find their dependencies through a standard ipfsy-way
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<vijayee> rendering would probably still come down to data url's it would seem
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<vijayee> not sure how that effects css and svg though
<whyrusleeping> MadcapJake: i use sharness for testing, its a pretty nice testing framework for cli apps
<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: wooo!
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<MadcapJake> whyrusleeping: I'm more curious how you are testing imports specifically, i.e., do you have two ipfs instances on one machine or two separate machines?
<whyrusleeping> MadcapJake: oh, no. I don't test that it pulls from another machine. I just trust that ipfs works (since we test it separately)
<whyrusleeping> I guess that we could test something like that using iptb
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<MadcapJake> whyrusleeping: ahh ok. I want to be able to ensure that my hooks work properly, I'll just have to call them manually.
<MadcapJake> what is iptb?
<MadcapJake> oh that does seem perfect!
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<whyrusleeping> haha, i love seeing that series of messages
<noffle> heh
<MadcapJake> hehe, couldn't wait for a response when my browser is mere pixels away :)
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<ipfsbot> [webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #323: Update react-router-bootstrap to version 0.22.1
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vweVT
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master e8a49d9 Jakub Sztandera: Make non recursive resolve print the result...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master 94a53ac Jeromy Johnson: Merge pull request #2283 from Kubuxu/fix/resolve-norec...
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<richardlitt> Can anyone access this from the gateway?
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<richardlitt> !pinbot QmReyj2ipmEZjJCQmLhCHzfXADQeuUuYwWG7kenfezm5jS
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<whyrusleeping> richardlitt: i don't see it. is your daemon online? if so, what version?
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted feat/i-am-why-deleter-of-code at e79e1d3: https://git.io/vweMl
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<whyrusleeping> mmm, over 9000 line deletions
<whyrusleeping> useless code, tremble in fear!
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<achin> richardlitt: the gateway isn't loading it, but my local node has happily downloaded that hash
<richardlitt> achin: thanks
<richardlitt> I got it in the end! all good.
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: what does this mean:
<dignifiedquire> (just pulled master)
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<MadcapJake> dignifiedquire: perhaps lint your json?
<dignifiedquire> MadcapJake: not sure, I didn't touch any json :/
<dignifiedquire> it's just go-ipfs master
<dignifiedquire> also no idea which file it's referring to
<achin> dignifiedquire: maybe you need a "make toolkit_upgrade" ?
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<dignifiedquire> achin: thanks didn't know about that one, trying
<MadcapJake> dignifiedquire: try wiping the directory and cloning again
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<dignifiedquire> achin: that worked thanks
<achin> great
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] eminence opened pull request #2559: Adds 'toolkit_upgrade' to the makefile help target (master...makefile_help) https://git.io/vweNy
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<whyrusleeping> i'm going to add gx and gx-go to dist.ipfs.io
<whyrusleeping> and then have the makefile download it from there
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<achin> automatically, maybe as part of "deps" ?
<achin> (dignifiedquire is not the first to run into mysterious problems due to an out-of-date gx)
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire pushed 1 new commit to dignified: https://git.io/vwexO
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs-api/dignified abe2a39 dignifiedquire: chore: dignified.js -> aegir
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<kevina> Hi, All.
<nicolagreco> noffle: what CRATE peeps told me about persisting data, it was not in their interest for the purpose of their research and that it is actually more difficult than expected since every node be at a different state
<nicolagreco> noffle: .. in other words, only you will be the node that have that particular state (unless you replicate it)
<nicolagreco> noffle: .. but on this, I have some questions about the way the IPFS current DHT works
<nicolagreco> actually, I have a couple of questions about the current DHT, is there someone I can ask to?
<achin> kevina: hi
<kevina> ... I want to hack on go-datastore. How to do build go-ipfs using my copy fork of go-datastore?
<kevina> .. or what is the best way to brake the hardcoded deps in Godeps?
<whyrusleeping> kevina: you can probably just change the imports in repo/fsrepo/defaultds.go
<kevina> whyrusleeping: I thought of that. Is there a better way?
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: .. I don't want to accidental push code with the modified imports.
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<whyrusleeping> not a huge deal if you do.
<whyrusleeping> when we finish migrating all the deps into gx, you will just run `gx-go rewrite --undo go-datastore`
<whyrusleeping> and it automatically rewrites things back to the normal github paths for you
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<whyrusleeping> alternatively, you could cd into the godeps directory and work on things there
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<noffle> nicolagreco: why knows a lot, but ask away and we'll try our best to answer :)
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: if I modify code in the godeps directory will it get overwritten the next time I fetch the deps?
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<nicolagreco> noffle, whyrusleeping I wonder if I add something to IPFS if it is replicated on other peers
<noffle> whyrusleeping: for commands issued to the daemon, there's no notion of "stderr", right? just the one output channel?
<noffle> nicolagreco: like, on 'ipfs add'?
<whyrusleeping> kinda...
<whyrusleeping> sorta
<whyrusleeping> but not really
<noffle> whyrusleeping: who are you responding to?
<noffle> both? :D
<whyrusleeping> nicolagreco: no. your content stays locally on your daemon until someone else requests it
<whyrusleeping> noffle: that was to you
<whyrusleeping> sorry
<noffle> whyrusleeping: what's the "sorta" aspect?
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<whyrusleeping> you can push your stuff over the same pipe and choose what to print where clientside in the marshaler function
<whyrusleeping> er
<whyrusleeping> thats not quite right either
<whyrusleeping> damn
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<whyrusleeping> our progress bar is printed to stderr
<whyrusleeping> it happens in the commands PreRun action
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<noffle> whyrusleeping: which? I'm looking at init, add, and get
<whyrusleeping> add
<noffle> you mean PostRun?
<noffle> is PostRun run locally (process daemon's response?)
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<whyrusleeping> yes
<whyrusleeping> both Pre and Post Run are run locally
<kevina> whyrusleeping: it looks like go-datastore is imported in many places outside of repo/fsrepo/defaultds.go do I need to modify all the imports?
<noffle> yep, I see what you're doing in add -- this'd work!
<kevina> whyrusleeping: ... and if so is there a tool to do this?
<whyrusleeping> kevina: hrm... i dont *think* so, the interfaces are pretty clean and should work
<whyrusleeping> switch it out real quick and try building 'go install ./repo/fsrepo'
<whyrusleeping> see if it complains
<noffle> whyrusleeping: so, are raw go objects being sent back over the pipe (outChan)? is PostRun happening AFTER the daemon has fully returned?
<noffle> what is this magic
<whyrusleeping> noffle: PostRun happens after the Run function is called, probably
<noffle> I see, so you wouldn't get streaming output
<noffle> just a dump once the command ends
<whyrusleeping> heh?
<whyrusleeping> you get streaming output
<whyrusleeping> otherwise progress bars wouldnt work
<kevina> whyrusleeping: I get: repo/fsrepo/defaultds.go:62: cannot use "github.com/ipfs/go-datastore".NewKey("/blocks") (type "github.com/ipfs/go-datastore".Key) as type "github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/Godeps/_workspace/src/github.com/ipfs/go-datastore".Key in field value
<whyrusleeping> well thats pretty annoying... and i just looked through the godeps tool
<whyrusleeping> it doesnt offer a nice way to rewrite a single path
<whyrusleeping> you could try 'godep save ./...'
<whyrusleeping> which rewrites *all* the paths back
<noffle> whyrusleeping: in add.go, PostRun actually creates the progress bar object. but if PostRun happens after the command completes, how can it be updating live?
<noffle> I'm def misunderstanding a key aspect here :D
<noffle> or is it that PostRun happens after the *request* to the daemon is sent?
<noffle> as opposed to when said request completes
<whyrusleeping> warmer
<whyrusleeping> take a look at the Run function on add
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<whyrusleeping> PostRun happens strictly after Run returns
<kevina> whyrusleeping: I saw that and I really don't want to commit code with all the paths changed....
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<noffle> whyrusleeping: it looks like all progress bar processing occurs in PostRun
<whyrusleeping> kevina: this is pretty much why i decided to write my own package manager for go
<whyrusleeping> i'll be moving the rest of the godeps code into gx soon.
<whyrusleeping> for now, i'd either edit the code in Godeps/_workspace/src/github.com/ipfs/go-datastore, or symlink that directory to your own
<whyrusleeping> noffle: yeap. all progress bar processing happens in PostRun
<noffle> whyrusleeping: ..and PostRun happens after the request returns fully?
<whyrusleeping> PostRun happens strictly after Run _returns_
<noffle> whyrusleeping: so how do we see in-flight progress bars?
<kevina> is there any chance of my changes being overwritten if the deps get updated?
<whyrusleeping> take a look at the Run function on Add
<noffle> I have been.
<whyrusleeping> kevina: nope, that shouldnt happen
<whyrusleeping> noffle: when does that function return?
<kevina> okay, I will just do that for now.
<noffle> whyrusleeping: immediately
<whyrusleeping> bingo
<whyrusleeping> we kick off processing into a goroutine
<whyrusleeping> then PostRun gets called while the add is still happening
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<noffle> so when I said that PostRun is happening AFTER the daemon has fully returned, the answer is actually 'yes', not 'no'
<noffle> er, reverse those
<noffle> PostRun is happening while the daemon is still processing the request
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<noffle> great. next Q: how are the raw Go objects being pushed to the outChan being serialized over the pipe?
<whyrusleeping> json
<ggoZ> Hello guys and girls
<whyrusleeping> ggoZ: Hello
<noffle> is that what those 'json:",omitempty"' annotations do?
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<noffle> go builds that in and does it automatically? wow; very cool
<ggoZ> I cant `ipfs mount`, it fails with very uninformative message
<noffle> whew! that was both tedious and awesome <3
<ggoZ> heya whyrusleeping, could someone take a look at http://pastebin.com/nHzRM8cP ?
<whyrusleeping> ggoZ: hrm... that is a rather unhelpful message
<ggoZ> I have /ipfs and /ipns dirs inplace. Also tried `ipfs mount -f -n` with appropriate dirs, and the result is the same - error msg and no mount
<whyrusleeping> ggoZ: do you have permissions on those directories?
<ggoZ> Yeah, I have everything running as root in docker container
<whyrusleeping> noffle: yeah, the struct tags give the json marshaler some information about how to serialize things
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<whyrusleeping> ggoZ: can you normally use fuse in a docker container?
<ggoZ> :| thats a good question
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] noffle opened pull request #2560: unix-friendly output for 'ipfs dht' commands (master...dht-love) https://git.io/vwvLG
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<ipfsbot> [js-ipfs] diasdavid pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vwvYI
<ipfsbot> js-ipfs/master 2137352 David Dias: Merge pull request #146 from ipfs/greenkeeper-lodash-4.11.0...
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<MadcapJake> whyrusleeping: is the post-import hook is called after *all* writing to package.json is done?
<whyrusleeping> MadcapJake: thats embarassing... i forgot to call the post-import hook
<whyrusleeping> but it should be called after all package.json changes have been made
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<MadcapJake> :P
<MadcapJake> good! cus I've gotta write the Perl 6 module name to the added object in gxDependencies
<MadcapJake> (that way, Perl 6 users will only need to add `use CompUnit::Repository::GX` and everything else will be exactly the same!)
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<jbenet> Prankster -- whoever you are -- It's very frustrating that you -- knowing our code of conduct -- would find it acceptable to post clearly problematic content. We're trying to do good for the whole community here, and actions like these take our attention away from what really matters: building good tech.