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<dignifiedquire>
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<haad>
o/
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: do you have any experience in using gdb with nodejs?
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<daviddias>
What are looking for? I never get the chance to use it much as node is typically easy to debug by assertion of hypotheses
<daviddias>
But I've used it, so I can give it a try if you need ;)
<computerfreak>
are there any ipfs-js-api references/examples that are updated to 4.0 easy to read? ;)
<Looking>
Im not looking for anyhing for anything special thx :p
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<daviddias>
computerfreak: which commands are you looking to use?
<daviddias>
computerfreak: have you checked the tests folder, each command is separated in its file
<Kubuxu>
I think there should be a 0.4.1 released really soon. Critical bug was fixed.
<Kubuxu>
s/released/release/
<Kubuxu>
This bug seems not so important at first but it makes longer running IPFS processes to just stall.
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<nicolagreco>
mildred: are you around for a chat on ipld abstractions?
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<computerfreak>
Kubuxu: do i still need to replace files in /usr/sbin/ipfs or does it update itself?
<Kubuxu>
computerfreak: what do you mean?
<computerfreak>
daviddias: well i am looking for something like a ''start to write js apps with ipfs'' or smth xD or make that myself, if this doesnt exist yet .
<computerfreak>
Kubuxu: when u release 4.1, what does a user needs to do, to get new version?
<Kubuxu>
(I am not in IPFS team) but if you used ipfs-update then you should just run ipfs-update
<computerfreak>
ok cool if ipfs-update works now, should be fine ;)
<Kubuxu>
if `which ipfs` doesn't end with `/go/bin/ipfs` inside then it will work out of the box
<Kubuxu>
the fs:/ipns/dist.ipfs.io contains installer aslo
<Kubuxu>
in go-ipfs downloads
<computerfreak>
it tells me ipfs-update not instaleld ..
<Kubuxu>
you have to download it form fs:/ipns/dist.ipfs.io
<computerfreak>
kk
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: need to inspect the bytes in zlib.cc to figure out why my stuff ia not working
<richardlitt>
I don't want to load this on my stack right now. Thanks though for pressuring me! Appreciate it.
<noffle>
but it'd basically end up as a copy of the cpan readme with a few tweaks
<richardlitt>
Yeah. I loved that.
<richardlitt>
mm.
<noffle>
richardlitt: are you being facetious? am I pressuring you?
<richardlitt>
noffle: Nope. Pressuring may be too strong a word. Presencing this issue as somethign I should look at, in a really encouraging way. :)
<noffle>
it'll be a tough battle: no one readme is going to win I imagine
<noffle>
but polished options are great
<dignifiedquire>
nicolagreco: just finished reading, please ping me when you plan a hangout would like to be part of that,
<nicolagreco>
dignifiedquire: sure, I am just waiting from mildred to ping me back
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<nicolagreco>
or actually, we could just create an issue organising an hang-out, correct?
<nicolagreco>
dignifiedquire: also, please give comments if you have any
<richardlitt>
This cafe has atrocious wifi.
<nicolagreco>
richardlitt: how do I propose a new hangout?
<noffle>
richardlitt: what are YOU doing today?
<richardlitt>
Sure! for Monday, you mean?
<nicolagreco>
richardlitt: is there a specific repo I should have a look?
<dignifiedquire>
nicolagreco: yes and yes I will as soon as I have converted the mess in my head to sth understandable
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<nicolagreco>
dignifiedquire: that is the tough part! I have been trying to express what I mean by this separation for weeks I think - and I am not even sure I did a good job !
<richardlitt>
noffle: Writing the weekly, merging js-guidelines, then seeing if I can prioritize my to do list
<nicolagreco>
richardlitt: we can schedule for monday sure! although if people are free earlier, than it would be great to have in in the next couple of days
<dignifiedquire>
nicolagreco: I understood the issue quite well I think
<richardlitt>
nicolagreco: I'm confused. What is the hangout for? Mondays are when we have our biweekly long hangouts
<nicolagreco>
richardlitt: ha! sorry, let me give you the context. I would like to discuss an issue I raised with mildred, dignifiedquire
<nicolagreco>
richardlitt: .. and jbenet and the other interested people in IPLD, but it is just about clarifying and thinking through
<nicolagreco>
richardlitt: .. the issue and possible solutions - it is basically an IPLD hangout, but since it is tuesday and it would take a week
<richardlitt>
Ok, so, an IPLD hangout? It might be best to have that on Monday
<nicolagreco>
richardlitt: .. it would be great to have it earlier
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<richardlitt>
Ok. I would open an issue in github.com/ipfs/pm/issues
<nicolagreco>
richardlitt: .. so I thought that there could be a repository when I can just propose meetings (beyond mondays)
<richardlitt>
And ping all of the people who you would like to be involved.
<nicolagreco>
richardlitt: that ^
<nicolagreco>
thanks!
<richardlitt>
np. Thanks for asking!
<haad>
noffle: I realized today that there might be a generic ipfs-log replicator cooking in orbit-db
<haad>
noffle: will try to separate that to its own module when I start building the CRDTs
<noffle>
haad: excellent
<noffle>
haad: how does it replicate? duplex stream?
<noffle>
makes it very flexible; not tied to any one impl (like pubsub)
<noffle>
this also makes writing tests super easy, because you can just wire things up together /wo any network/pubsub stubs, etc
<haad>
ummm, had something else in mind as to what "replication" means. but yeah, it can use streams and make the API very simple.
<noffle>
(in theory, this should just be each side sending over their heads, and working backwards to understand which entries each side is missing)
<noffle>
oh -- what were you thinking?
<haad>
I think pubsub is the center piece of the module
<haad>
receive from (ipfs) pubsub, send to (ipfs) pubsub, merge logs, done
<noffle>
I think we're talking about the same thing: a duplex stream models this (I put new entries into the stream, and get other new entries I didn't know about out of it)
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<haad>
possibly
<haad>
ideally the user doesn't have know anything about streams (duplex or not)
<noffle>
it's much more powerful for the user to think about replication streams than to worry about what specific impl is being used (pubsub, etc)
<noffle>
streams are a node (and now js) primitive; pubsub is a very particular concept on top
<haad>
...and an ipfs-log replicator is a very particular concept on top of both :)
<noffle>
it's great to let the user operate on language primitives as much as possible rather than invent new data structures on top to use (and reinvent the wheel with)
<noffle>
right
<noffle>
it's like the alan perlis quote: "It is better to have 100 functions operate on one data structure than 10 functions on 10 data structures"
<noffle>
he was talking about node streams (he just didn't know it yet)
<haad>
sure
<noffle>
fewer data types and more primitive functions
<haad>
noffle: right now it's one function (sync), so I reckon providing a generic stream api should be *trivial*
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<noffle>
probably, but it's more work to go backwards (adding primitives on top of custom types) than to use primitives as the underlying base
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[js-ipfs] diasdavid created greenkeeper-peer-id-0.6.4 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vVN6R
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js-ipfs/greenkeeper-peer-id-0.6.4 005ebe4 greenkeeperio-bot: chore(package): update peer-id to version 0.6.4...
<noffle>
nicolagreco: hey! yes: hyperlog replicates using duplex (or simplex) streams, which is a super generic primitive that can work across any transport
<noffle>
replicate over tcp, unix sockets, through streams (for local tests), soundwaves, etc.
<nicolagreco>
noffle: oh yes, I see why
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feat/promise-fail from b5a78b1 to 5a0b6e5: https://git.io/vgrhH
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go-ipfs/feat/promise-fail 5a0b6e5 Jeromy: small sharness test for promise failure checking...
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted feat/promise-fail at 5a0b6e5: https://git.io/vVAtH
<achin>
richardlitt: when are you going to have a meetup on the weekend!
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<M-CCLXI>
Is it possible to have something like peers/seeds/availability in ipfs?
<M-CCLXI>
So that I can see if the file is fully available in the network before trying to download it
<achin>
for a given hash, you can see who has it, but you won't know if that hash makes a reference to other hashes without downloading it
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<M-CCLXI>
So you cannot see the possible download speed to choose e.g from different movie files?
<achin>
i'm not sure i understand the question
<achin>
even if you know that the complete file is fully available, that tells you nothing about the possible download speed
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[js-ipfs] diasdavid force-pushed feature/swarm from 790022e to 82a6ea5: https://git.io/v24B2
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js-ipfs/feature/swarm 82a6ea5 David Dias: jsipfs swarm...
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<M-CCLXI>
achin (IRC): In torrent I can check how many people have the file. If one file is seeded by 2K users and other one by 20 users, I will choose the first one because the download speed will probably be faster
<achin>
ah, yes i see what you are getting at
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<richardlitt>
achin: who knows! :D
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<mandelbrot>
If I add a file and the "ipfs ls" my id I should see that file listed correct?
<noffle>
mandelbrot: ipfs ls shows its links
<noffle>
so if you added a file, ipfs ls shows nothing (since it has no links)
<noffle>
if you wrapped it in a directory (echo 'hi' | ipfs add -w), then 'ipfs ls'ing that directory will list your file (since it's now a link from that dir)
<mandelbrot>
is there a way to see files that other peers have exposed without knowing the dir name and only the peer id?
<noffle>
mandelbrot: what do you mean by 'exposed'?
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<mandelbrot>
files that they have pinned
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<noffle>
pinned doesn't mean that the user wants them publically known
<noffle>
just that they don't want them to be garbage collected
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vVA8w
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go-ipfs/master fa00635 Stephen Whitmore: Makes repo existance check more sensitive....
<noffle>
if you wanted to explicitly make some files "public", you could add them as links to your /ipns address
<achin>
as i understand it: anybody can ask a node "do you have hash abc123?", but you cannot ask "tell me all the hashes you have". am i right?
<noffle>
achin: I believe that's accurate
<mandelbrot>
right, basically i'm trying to just explore any content that other peers have made public
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<ashark>
mandelbrot: there's no human-friendly index of pinned files, no, not even for one's own files, AFAIK. You'd have to do it manually or with some external tool.
<noffle>
achin: maybe nitpicking, but I think you're really asking "do you or anyone you know have hash abc123"
<achin>
noffle: ah. no, i think that's an important distinction
<noffle>
mandelbrot: there's no explicit notion of making things public beyond using your /ipns pointer or by sharing hashes via some other channel (irc, forum, etc)
<mandelbrot>
I see, thanks for the info!
<noffle>
sure! let us know if we can clarify anything
<noffle>
it was a good question :)
<M-CCLXI>
Is it possible to make a directory with persistant hash?
<M-CCLXI>
So that I can update it
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created w/fix/logwriter-stall (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vVABf
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go-ipfs/w/fix/logwriter-stall 1ddfe4c rht: Close errnotifier chan on err...
<achin>
no. this hash of a directory always depends on its contents. this is what IPNS is for
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #2554: Close errnotifier chan on err (master...w/fix/logwriter-stall) https://git.io/vVABY
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<mandelbrot>
sounds good, i will! trying to dive in and learn the codebase so I can start contributing. there's so much potential here it blows my mind.
<noffle>
M-CCLXI: you can also use the new files api to do this
<noffle>
mandelbrot: :D awesome! feel free to ask as you have more Qs
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<sag789>
Hi everyone
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[js-ipfs] diasdavid deleted greenkeeper-peer-id-0.6.5 at 749b265: https://git.io/vVAgX
<noffle>
sag789: o/
<sag789>
I want upload a 1gb Video to ipfs
<sag789>
but i am a noob . How i can upload ?
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<noffle>
sag789: you can add a video to your local ipfs repo (ipfs add sintel.mp4), and then use the hash it outputs to retrieve it from elsewhere (ipfs get /ipfs/Qmfoobar)
<sag789>
I only need put my video in the Drag-and-drop?
<sag789>
and upload automatically?
<noffle>
oh, you're referring to the web ui?
<noffle>
yeah, adding them there gives you a hash (Qmfoobar...)
<noffle>
then you can enter the /ipfs/... address into the top bar and hit Go to browse it
<noffle>
there's no "upload" process perse; if another peer asks for that file then you'll provide it to them
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<daviddias>
\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ no more zlib madness
<daviddias>
thank you :D
<dignifiedquire>
you are welcome :)
<m0ns00n>
How's your progress? :) I see you're happy
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<ashark>
This is probably a really stupid question, but neither DuckDuckGo/Google nor my co-workers have been able to answer it: what's the source of ".monopic" files?
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<ashark>
As found in the js-ipfs repo's graphs directory, for example.
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<kevina>
Hi All, I'm new here
<kevina>
I have some questions on how data is stored in the repo. that I hope someone can help me with.
<achin>
the data in .ipfs/blocks are protobuf-encoded objects. the protobuf definition is in the merkledag/pb/*.proto fil
<kevina>
thanks looking...
<richardlitt>
thanks achin
<richardlitt>
mandelbrot: not at the moment!
<richardlitt>
Thanks for your interest, though. We'll get there.
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<kevina>
Okay so what layer is the Object data bundled into a protocol buffer?
<kevina>
I.e. is the object already passes as a protocol buffer to the datastore
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<achin>
now you're getting into design of go-ipfs, which i'm not sure i can help with
<kevina>
achin: thanks
<achin>
but i will add this: the Data field within PBNode can be arbitrary data. most of the time it's a protobuf-encoded unixfs object (see unixfs/pb/*.proto), but it need not be
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* achin
afk for a little bit
<kevina>
So can someone point me to where in the code data is packed into a protobuf?
<ianopolous>
achin: except for apps that use object.patch directly to store their own data formats (that is all Peergos uses for example)
<kevina>
Are more to the point, is data passed into the Datastore interface already a protobuf object?
<kevina>
Are = Or :)
<kevina>
That is "Or more to the point, ..."
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<ashark>
kevina: lots of EncodeProtobuf on node data (at least, looks like it to me) in the merkledag directory.
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<ipfsbot>
[webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #322: Update react-router-bootstrap to version 0.22.0
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<alu>
shadoxx see how fast this loads for u http://janusweb.metacade.com/#janus.url=https%3A%2F%2Fipfs.io%2Fipfs%2FQmXwG57htZagbFUHdJsnyB9vuqkva2mfbFq4LiQhetKBq7%2F
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<shadoxx>
alu: about 30 seconds in now. getting a framerate of 60fps without optimus
<alu>
Wow 60fps! niceee
<shadoxx>
that's pretty cool
<shadoxx>
somehow this laptop stopped sucking once i got nvidia working
<alu>
IPFS is getting better, people report it loading in 10 seconds
<alu>
which is impressive, this is about 90mb of 3d models n stuff
<Boomerang>
10 seconds for me and about 30 fps :)
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feature/object-patch-set-data-docs from ba4c7e9 to 568e508: https://git.io/vVxfP
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go-ipfs/feature/object-patch-set-data-docs 568e508 Richard Littauer: Edited object patch set-data doc...
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