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<TomasBond>
well guys, im off for today
<TomasBond>
cya!!
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<whyrusleeping>
would anyone be interested in a postgresql backed ipfs?
<achin>
i probably would be more interested in a nosql database backed by ipfs
<achin>
but maybe that's "just ipfs" ?
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<deltab>
yeah, ipld, I think
<achin>
the missing part, though, is the library that you can integrate into your application
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<whyrusleeping>
achin: yeah, i'm just looking into different backend datastores
<whyrusleeping>
right now we just write all data to disk, using the hash of the block as the filename
<whyrusleeping>
i'm looking at writing a little shim that shoves data into a sql database instead of writing it to disk
<whyrusleeping>
it might be faster
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<achin>
ooh, i see. "postgresql backed ipfs" not "postgresql backed by ipfs"
<whyrusleeping>
yeah
<achin>
that is a very interesting idea!
<whyrusleeping>
essentially just putting the repo into postgres, instead of ~/.ipfs/blocks
<whyrusleeping>
the other thing i'm looking at is using some sort of a graph database to augment the datastore
<whyrusleeping>
so we can store link metadata in a super fast lookup table
<achin>
why do you think writing to postgres would be faster than `/.ipfs/blocks?
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<whyrusleeping>
because postgres is really fast, and runs as a separate process
<whyrusleeping>
and can be really smart about how is stores data
<whyrusleeping>
obviously its going to eventually put it on disk
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<whyrusleeping>
but it might do so in a smarter way than we are
<achin>
this seems like a reasonable experiment -- if dumping to postgres is way after than writing to ~/.ipfs/blocks, then task someone to do some research into making ipfs smarter
<deltab>
also you can connect to it over a network from multiple clients
<deltab>
ipfs splits large files into pieces, similar to bittorrent
<Akaibu>
Ah
<deltab>
pieces can be received in parallel from multiple peers
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<M-IBPX>
It seems Zeronet hinges on the blockchain, storing what sites are where, etc.
<deltab>
as they're hash-addressed, that also allows for deduplication
<M-IBPX>
What is that?
<deltab>
say you have two big files that are almost the same (e.g. backups taken on different dates)
<deltab>
ipfs splits them into pieces, and most of the pieces are the same between the two
<M-IBPX>
Ah, okay, makes sense.
<doublec>
M-IBPX: zeronet doesn't use a blockchain
<deltab>
each piece is stored by its hash, so the duplicated pieces are only stored and transferred once
<M-IBPX>
doublec: No? I guess I'm just thinking of Namecoin then.
<M-IBPX>
And, stupid question: Does IPFS mean that once I publish something and someone pins it, I can never delete it?
<doublec>
M-IBPX: namecoin is optional with zeronet - it can be used to provide a human readable name instead of long address
<deltab>
M-IBPX: you can delete it from your system, but not theirs
<M-IBPX>
I know.
<doublec>
M-IBPX: and the user doesn't need to run the namecoin client - there's a zeronet site that tracks the names
<Akaibu>
M-IBPX that's the case for anything on the Internet
<Akaibu>
Ipfs or not
<deltab>
the difference with ipfs is that copies are as findable as the originals, and provably the same
<M-IBPX>
Akaibu: I'd assume so, but some things seem to think that it's possible to do so.
<M-IBPX>
(See: Snapchat, BT Beep)
<Akaibu>
People can save snapchat pics mate
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<M-IBPX>
Akaibu: That's what I was saying
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<sarbao>
good morning
<M-IBPX>
I was saying it's stupid that SC and those think that that would ever work.
<TomasBond>
i have some questions for javascript (video.js) knowers
<M-IBPX>
Morning sarbao!
<TomasBond>
anyone here dominates that?
<sarbao>
:-) have a question of ipfs beginner
<Akaibu>
Shoot for it,someone is bound to know
<Akaibu>
There are 400 of us in here
<sarbao>
i installed ipfs on two local computers ... i added directories to ipfs in one of it , how can i access them from the othar one ? ... tks vm for ur kind help
<sarbao>
i tried http://IP of COMPUTER:8080/ipfs/IPFS ID/play#/ipfs/HASH of the content
<sarbao>
but it doesnt work
<TomasBond>
you want to retrieve a hashed file from one computer to antoher?
<sarbao>
yes
<Akaibu>
Strange
<TomasBond>
you can ipfs get hash
<TomasBond>
or use a gateway
<sarbao>
i tried the video demo ... should it work that way i tried ?
<Akaibu>
Want to provide a censored version of the logs to see what the problem is sarbao
<deltab>
sarbao: do you want to transfer files to the disk, or access them through a browser?
<sarbao>
just access
<TomasBond>
use the gateway
<deltab>
normally you'd access the gateway with /ipfs/ and the hash
<TomasBond>
have you done the ipfs add filename command?
<sarbao>
with no IP reference to my computer ?
<TomasBond>
thats ipfs for
<TomasBond>
its the network
<TomasBond>
dont confuse the localhost
<deltab>
the video player is itself accessed through ipfs, so its hash is the one before #, and it plays the video given after the #
<sarbao>
yes i did but i am doing smthing wrong for sure in the process as i am doing this things ur telling me
<sarbao>
maybe i am swapping the hash
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<deltab>
ipfs finds files using the hash only; you don't tell it where to look
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<TomasBond>
the network resolves where the hash is, and creates the connection
<TomasBond>
right?
<deltab>
yes, it'll connect to some other computers and ask them where to find the hash's content
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<TomasBond>
its fantastic
<TomasBond>
xD
<sarbao>
ok i will try to do so with no IP ... tks vm all of u for ur kind help really apreciate ... best wishes from spain .. i will go and try and get back to u later best regards
<deltab>
sarbao: do you have ipfs installed on both computers?
<sarbao>
yes on both
<sarbao>
but itys a problem of hash almos for sure ... i think i am using the wrong one
<sarbao>
as i am mixing the content address with the id hash
<deltab>
browsers don't understand ipfs directly (yet), so you have to tell them to connect to a website (a gateway) which fetchs the files and sends them over http to the browser
<sarbao>
as i have understood here is just like this http://ipfs.io/ipfs/HASH of my CONTENT ¿ right ?
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<deltab>
there's a public gateway at http://ipfs.io/, and you have your own gateways on your computers, accessed as localhost
<deltab>
sarbao: right
<doublec>
TomasBond: I know about HTML 5 video if you have a question
<TomasBond>
@doublec thank u v m!
<deltab>
any gateway should be able to find the content, though your local one will be faster for content that's already local
<sarbao>
ok running to test it ( on the other computer so it will take me a while as is in a diff room ) .. i wiill let u know when i am back cheers
<Akaibu>
Video.js isn't that much different from the standard html5 tag if I read the code right
<TomasBond>
i want to add the videojs-contrib-hls
<TomasBond>
can u send me private message
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<TomasBond>
so i dont bother in this channel
<doublec>
TomasBond: easier if you ask here in case I don't know the answer but someone else does
<TomasBond>
oh ok
<TomasBond>
i want to add videojs-contrib-hls (for video bitrate transcoding stream)
<TomasBond>
how do i do that? i have added the videojs-contrib-hls folder near video.js folder
<doublec>
TomasBond: follow the example in the git repository. load video.js in the script tag. And load videojs-contrib-hls in the tag immediately following.
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<doublec>
TomasBond: It doesn't matter exactly where they go as long as the paths in the script tag are corrent
<NeoTeo>
daviddias: yeah, wish you could be there again:)
<daviddias>
I need to come back at somepoint, really enjoyed being at Copenhagen :)
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<NeoTeo>
daviddias: That's good to hear. You know who to call when you're here!
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: for you always ;)
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<daviddias>
thank you dignifiedquire
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[js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire created greenkeeper-multiaddr-1.2.0 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vanaI
<ipfsbot>
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<haad>
dignifiedquire: have you used ES7 async/await in nodejs->babel->es5?
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<dignifiedquire>
haad a little but not yet in a larger app
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[js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire created greenkeeper-multiaddr-1.3.0 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vanVF
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[js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire deleted greenkeeper-multiaddr-1.3.0 at 284aa83: https://git.io/vanw3
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<haad>
dignifiedquire: ok. I'm thinking about using it but cutting-edge always has its problems so I was wondering if there are any pitfalls using async/await
<dignifiedquire>
if all transpiling is setup I don't think there is any pitfall, except for getting used to it vs using plain promises
<dignifiedquire>
at least as far as I know
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<haad>
dignifiedquire: it's what comes out of babel that worries me, re. debugging etc.
<haad>
but I suppose I just need to try it and see
<yangwao>
30
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<copernicusMogley>
what's up my ipfs peeps?!
<copernicusMogley>
Ryan from Alexandria here.
<copernicusMogley>
The producers of "Declare Your Independence", a podcast that Devon and I were on last summer, wants to talk about ipfs and Alexandria. Anyone of you wonderful folks down to join me?
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<dignifiedquire>
copernicusMogley: pretty sure we can find someone for you :) how soon do you need an answer and when would that happen?
<copernicusMogley>
dignifiedsquire: sooner the better. we can do it next week or the following week. I have specific date and time options but they are in my email and I need to doublecheck it.
<xelra>
lol @ the name alexandria. Best Google obfuscation I've ever seen. If you don't know specifically what you're looking for, you'll never find it. :)
<dignifiedquire>
can you email me some details at dignifiedquire @ gmail.com? I will bring it up in our weekly meeting on Monday
<copernicusMogley>
word. search for "decentralized alexandria"
<xelra>
Do you have a link to your Alexandria?
<xelra>
I see.
<copernicusMogley>
dloa.net
<copernicusMogley>
dignifiedsquire: ok
<xelra>
Thx.
<copernicusMogley>
dignifiedquire: pardon the type in your nick ;)
<copernicusMogley>
dignifiedquire: sent. btw, I'm 540 in the squatconf signal group :)
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<dignifiedquire>
copernicusMogley: ah :) good to know, lucky I use the same nick everyhwere so people recognize me :D
<NeoTeo>
A couple here at the Copenhagen IPFS meetup want to install 0.4.0 on windows. Can't see it on the distro page. Any links?
<computerfreak>
better install go environment and get it directly from github :)
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<NeoTeo>
computerfreak: sure, but they're not super experienced so an exe would be better.
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<haad>
copernicusMogley: Alexandria is a really cool project!
<NeoTeo>
daviddias: dignifiedquire: ^
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<copernicusMogley>
haad: thanks! we've been working hard on it and starting a big push to get to the next release in 1.5 months or so.
<haad>
copernicusMogley: if there's anything on ipfs side we can help you with, let us know
<dignifiedquire>
NeoTeo: there is an 0.4.0-dev version which is not super up to dated
<dignifiedquire>
but you can try it out :)
<copernicusMogley>
haad: thanks for that, too. the ipfs team has been amazing support and I consider many of you friends. the people who I have met, anyway.
<NeoTeo>
dignifiedquire: thx :)
<haad>
copernicusMogley: perhaps you're interested in what's coming for apps on ipfs: https://github.com/haadcode/orbit-db. that might open some new possibilities for alexandria, too.
<dignifiedquire>
NeoTeo: new version will come next week
<NeoTeo>
dignifiedquire: cool
<haad>
copernicusMogley: glad to hear!
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<NeoTeo>
strangely none of us can see each other in our peer lists!
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<dignifiedquire>
NeoTeo: hmm maybe some issues with mdns and windows, not sure, try a direct connect though
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<NeoTeo>
dignifiedquire: ipfs swarm connect ?
<dignifiedquire>
yes
<NeoTeo>
dignifiedquire: thx. Though one of the machines is linux and another is os x like my own
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<dignifiedquire>
NeoTeo: there were some fixes in a later version so maybe that's an issue
<dignifiedquire>
whyrusleeping: can you ping me when you around? need to talk about coffee to you
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<NeoTeo>
super frustrating we can't see each other - files not getting through either.
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<dignifiedquire>
NeoTeo: that's not good, did you try 0.3.11?
<NeoTeo>
dignifiedquire: Some started with that but we're all on 0.4.0 now
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<NeoTeo>
dignifiedquire: we all have loads of peers but not each other's and (even tiny) files are not getting through
<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs] xicombd pushed 5 new commits to feature/object: https://git.io/vanDB
<ipfsbot>
js-ipfs/feature/object eedd8fb Francisco Baio Dias: Add ipfs object data to cli
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js-ipfs/feature/object 6342fdb Francisco Baio Dias: Add /object/data to http-api
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js-ipfs/feature/object 9533b58 Francisco Baio Dias: Add ipfs object links to cli
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<NeoTeo>
computerfreak: dignifiedquire: Ok, so one of us created a network on their mobile which we all joined and now files come through fine. Something was stopping us from seeing each other's nodes but not seeing common nodes which is why it is weird we couldn't share files.
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<mnp>
hey, any go devs on?
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<mats_>
Hi all! I am thinking of writing a Java program that would up- and download encrypted blobs to IPFS. What would be the best way of doing this? Has someone been contemplating a Java library for this? Is there any work on making a IPFS deamon similar to Orbot for Android?
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<mnp>
~.
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<computerfreak1>
i would also like to run it on android ^^
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<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs] xicombd created cli-utils (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vanb5
<ipfsbot>
js-ipfs/cli-utils 58bdca3 Francisco Baio Dias: Add getIPFS util and refactor id command to use it
<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs] xicombd opened pull request #83: Add getIPFS util and refactor id command to use it (master...cli-utils) https://git.io/vanNJ
<cerbivore>
Hi guys, I have a newb question. What I don't get about ipfs is how exactly are file going to be distributed. What I understand is that I upload files to ipfs and make them available via the node I create. But if my node is offline, who is going to make my files available
<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs] diasdavid pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vanNt
<ipfsbot>
js-ipfs/master 58bdca3 Francisco Baio Dias: Add getIPFS util and refactor id command to use it
<ipfsbot>
js-ipfs/master c46e055 David Dias: Merge pull request #83 from ipfs/cli-utils...
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<voxelot>
cerbivore: popularity of your file is a way to ensure that it will be served by other nodes
<voxelot>
another option is something like filecoin to pay people to host
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<whyrusleeping>
dignifiedquire: ping pong
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<dignifiedquire>
hey whyrusleeping :)
<dignifiedquire>
whyrusleeping: soo I want to upgrade my coffee experience at home, Iwant really good espresso and really nice milk froth, I'm willing to invest some time but I'd rather not be broke after buying the equipment
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<whyrusleeping>
okay, espresso machines are the most expensive coffee preparation equipment
<whyrusleeping>
but, you can get some decent small ones without being poor
<dignifiedquire>
yeah my problem is that the price range is just ridiculous and everytime I read sth about them I more confused
<dignifiedquire>
like they go from 200 - 4000
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<whyrusleeping>
yeah... a 'good' machine is gonna be ~$1000 USD
<whyrusleeping>
but
<dignifiedquire>
but?
<whyrusleeping>
if you don't want to spend that much, i'd go for something like a gaggia 14101
<whyrusleeping>
i think thats the one a friend of mine has
<dignifiedquire>
(oh god what did I type there...)
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<whyrusleeping>
yeah... you're pretty much gonna have to fly to the states and buy one