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<TomasBond>
with the ipfs swarm connect done
<TomasBond>
and the rate out from my local is less than 1kb/s
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<sivachandran>
whyrusleeping: when I add file why are the leaf nodes are not raw blocks but object with file chunk embedded in data?
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<whyrusleeping>
sivachandran: because thats how things are?
<sivachandran>
then when will we use raw blocks?
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<TomasBond>
ipfs update doesnt work
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<sivachandran>
whyrusleeping: then when will we use raw blocks?
<whyrusleeping>
for multiblock files
<whyrusleeping>
wait
<whyrusleeping>
youre saying you add a file, larger than a single block, and the leaf nodes arent raw blocks?
<whyrusleeping>
(note: raw blocks still have some metadata)
<sivachandran>
yes
<sivachandran>
let me tell what I am trying
<sivachandran>
my app receives file chunks from network. as soon as it receives a file chunk it adds the chunk to IPFS as block and notes down the hash
<TomasBond>
how can i check y my firewall is afecting my connection?
<TomasBond>
cant download faster than 1kb
<sivachandran>
after receiving all the chunks the app stitches the file by adding intermediate object and root object.
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<sivachandran>
whyrusleeping: but when I create an object with links to raw blocks(created with block put) and do object get of this object it unable to stitch the raw blocks to giveout the whole file
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<whyrusleeping>
how do you add the chunks?
<sivachandran>
whyrusleeping: block put
<whyrusleeping>
is it literally just raw data?
<whyrusleeping>
or is it a unixfs protobuf with the type field set to raw?
<sivachandran>
just raw data
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<sivachandran>
whyrusleeping: should it be unixfs protobuf format?
<whyrusleeping>
if you want to be able to 'ipfs cat' them, yeah
<sivachandran>
not just 'ipfs cat', even for 'ipfs get' right?
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, any of the unixfs commands
<whyrusleeping>
ipfs cat, ls, get
<sivachandran>
whyrusleeping: I realize there can be max of 174 links for an object. Does the no come from the max object size 512KB?
<tmg>
Greetings, I've just read all these cjdns endorsements by IPFS contributors. Can someone here invite me to Hyperboria?
<whyrusleeping>
uhm... there should be more than 174
<whyrusleeping>
tmg: there should be some public ones
<sivachandran>
whyrusleeping: I added 1GB file and I see max 174 links at every level
<whyrusleeping>
what version of ipfs?
<sivachandran>
0.3.11
<whyrusleeping>
mmm, yeah. we make the link blocks be 8kb
<whyrusleeping>
and links are around 44 bytes
<whyrusleeping>
so i think that math roughly works out to 174
<whyrusleeping>
you can bump that way higher if you want
<whyrusleeping>
as long as the resultant block doesnt get larger than 1MB
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<sivachandran>
okay. Is that no changed in 0.4?
<TomasBond>
@whyrusleeping how can i check connection problems like firewalled port? im downloading a file like 1mb every 10 minutes
<TomasBond>
i opened the port in the router, but continue with slow transfer rate
<whyrusleeping>
TomasBond: i'm not sure... if you are getting content through youre likely connected
<whyrusleeping>
and you don't have any issues with the firewall at that point
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<whyrusleeping>
could you file an issue on go-ipfs and detail the situation?
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<TomasBond>
ok ill try
<sivachandran>
whyrusleeping: sorry, jumping to original quest. Is there any reason for keeping the leaf nodes as object instead of raw blocks(unixfs protobuf)?
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<deltab>
TomasBond: try connecting to your port from elsewhere, or ask someone else to
<deltab>
or maybe there's a stats command that can show which end opened a connection
<TomasBond>
what sleeping says its true
<TomasBond>
the connection is done
<TomasBond>
firewall shouldnt be the problem
<deltab>
can other nodes connect to yours though? or are they all ones your node has connected to?
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<redfish>
TomasBond: use iperf to check the bandwidth capacity between your two nodes
<redfish>
between your two machines, rather
<TomasBond>
whats the iperf comand for that?
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<TomasBond>
hmm
<TomasBond>
iperf only transmits 14kb
<TomasBond>
its weird, i can connect from local to vps, but not from vps to local
<TomasBond>
local to vps only transmits 14kb, doesnt matter how much time its connected
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<TomasBond>
redfish iperf isnt working
<TomasBond>
it connects
<TomasBond>
but no data is transfered
<redfish>
TomasBond: if iperf maxes out at 14Kb/s then I would investigate your internet connection before troubleshooting ipfs specifically
<TomasBond>
yes its a problem
<redfish>
try iperf between your local to another machine on the local network (if you have one), to narrow down the bottleneck
<TomasBond>
but its not 14kb/s
<TomasBond>
its just 14kb
<redfish>
oh, iperf stops transfer shortly after starting?
<TomasBond>
[ 4] local 198.50.148.166 port 5002 connected with 201.253.84.134 port 49960
<TomasBond>
thats the only things that show up
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<TomasBond>
when i ctrl+c the connection
<TomasBond>
[ 4] local 198.50.148.166 port 5002 connected with 201.253.84.134 port 50163
<redfish>
are you 100% sure it's iperf listening on 4001? Can you lsof -i -n -P please?
<deltab>
trace the route to somewhere and see if that address comes up
<deltab>
tcptraceroute, tracepath, mtr
<redfish>
well, i wouldn't call it blocked
<redfish>
traceroute fails for various reasons, i think maybe related to ping replies
<redfish>
i can telnet to his 4001 fine
<redfish>
(i'm not convinced that it's iperf that's on the other end, though -- see above)
<TomasBond>
deltab, that ip isnt in my tracert route to the vps
<TomasBond>
nor google dns
<TomasBond>
im sure iperf is listening in my 4001 port
<redfish>
do traceroute *from* your VPS -- you should see it
<TomasBond>
it says server listening in 4001
<redfish>
ok, just as a quick sanity check, can you stop iperf for a little bit?
<TomasBond>
ok
<TomasBond>
stopped
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<redfish>
ok, yeah, now can't telnet, and port filtered, as expected
<redfish>
well, what can I tell you.. ISP messing with even iperf traffic?
<redfish>
next thing I would try is encrypted tunnel
<redfish>
just repeat same experiment, but forward iperf's port over ssh
<redfish>
putty can do the port forwarding
<redfish>
but, actually, before that -- are you sure that iperf -s on VPS and you connecting from windows box doesn't succeed? what happens in that case?
<TomasBond>
connections succes
<TomasBond>
in server terminal appear the connection
<TomasBond>
but there is no transfer
<TomasBond>
when trying to connect from vps to local, connections times out
<redfish>
it may take like a minute for results to show up in iperf
<TomasBond>
ok
<TomasBond>
ill try it
<redfish>
ok, try local->VPS, and then try over SSH tunnel
<TomasBond>
[ 4] local 198.50.148.166 port 5001 connected with 201.253.84.134 port 50470
<TomasBond>
this appear on vps server terminal
<TomasBond>
im running iperf3.exe on local
<TomasBond>
could it be different versions of iperf doesnt work?
<TomasBond>
why my computer isnt connecting the right way
<TomasBond>
i need to upload via ipfs a folder
<TomasBond>
from local to vps
<TomasBond>
no more than 1kb/s
<redfish>
do you see windows peer in VPS and VPS peer in windows? in ipfs swarm peers?
<redfish>
well, am I reading this correctly -- you are 2x dialup speed, right?
<redfish>
the most you can expect is like 15KBytes/s, but that's raw iperf, but with a compex protocol the rountrip latency can shave off an order of magnitude off that
<redfish>
tl;dr get a better internets
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<TomasBond>
i have 20mb download and 1mb upload
<TomasBond>
but i noticed something weird
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<TomasBond>
in my ipfs daemon
<TomasBond>
it isnt listening on my ip
<TomasBond>
169.254.91.* ip is internal?
<redfish>
what output you looking at on what machine?
<redfish>
what about on the VPS? i bet, you don't see your windows node there
<TomasBond>
nop
<TomasBond>
it isnt here
<TomasBond>
weep
<redfish>
btw, a workaround around the NAT problem (aka discovery of ext ip not working) is to setup a VPN and have your windows box connect to the VPN
<redfish>
btw, you said 1Mbps upload -- looks like, you're getting 150Kbps upload.
<TomasBond>
yeah i expect that, or minium 80
<TomasBond>
but not even that
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<redfish>
80Kbps = 10KBytes/s => real slow
<TomasBond>
i think the problem is
<TomasBond>
that the vps cant connect to local
<TomasBond>
or can connect but really slow
<TomasBond>
(slower than it should)
<TomasBond>
1kb/s
<redfish>
are you saying you expect 10KBytes/s but get 1KBytes/s?
<TomasBond>
Bandwidth
<TomasBond>
TotalIn: 14MB
<TomasBond>
TotalOut: 14MB
<TomasBond>
RateIn: 1.1KB/s
<TomasBond>
RateOut: 615B/s
<redfish>
what do you expect?
<TomasBond>
Bandwidth
<TomasBond>
TotalIn: 14MB
<TomasBond>
TotalOut: 15MB
<TomasBond>
RateIn: 271B/s
<TomasBond>
RateOut: 1.8KB/s
<TomasBond>
its like downloding 1 mb every 10 minutes
<redfish>
right, but again, what rate do you expect?
<TomasBond>
i was expecting like 50kb /s
<TomasBond>
i recently upgraded from 3mb down and 1mb up (downloaded at 350kb/s)
<redfish>
but your connection is 150KBits=20KBytes/s at the very most
<TomasBond>
to 20mb and 1mb upload
<redfish>
bits != bytes
<TomasBond>
the downloading speed got higher i know (download at 1,8mb/s)
<TomasBond>
but shouldn i expect like 100kb /s of upload?
<TomasBond>
my exact connection is
<redfish>
forget what your package says, you've tested it with iperf, and it sayd 150KBits/s=about 20KBytes/s
<TomasBond>
Line Rate - Upstream (Kbps):1163
<TomasBond>
Line Rate - Downstream (Kbps):20236
<TomasBond>
ok so, what iperf says
<TomasBond>
ipfs isnt even getting that speed
<TomasBond>
its stucked in 379mb for the last 10 minutes
<TomasBond>
not even 1mb
<redfish>
well, if i understand correctly, you are seeing ipfs to be less than a factor fo 10 away from raw iperf -- that sounds very reasonable to me
<TomasBond>
in ipfs stats bw the total out is getting higher in mb
<TomasBond>
but the download in the hash isnt
<TomasBond>
not even using the full connection
<TomasBond>
i think the problem is in vps ipfs connecting to local ipfs
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<redfish>
you can look at sudo iftop
<redfish>
on your VPS
<redfish>
btw, are you looking at bw stats for IPFS? that includes all transmissions that IPFS is doing, right? not just to your windows box, right?
<redfish>
iftop will tell you exactly how much data is being transferred to which IP address
<TomasBond>
yeah i know
<TomasBond>
but there are so little transfers
<TomasBond>
even im asking that machine for a hash
<redfish>
what does iftop say?
<TomasBond>
when i run utorrent i have an upload of 100kb/s
<TomasBond>
that doesnt matter?
<TomasBond>
i cant run iftop in windows
<TomasBond>
ill try vps
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<TomasBond>
but vps is the one requesting for the file
<redfish>
doesn't matter -- iftop shows both incoming and outgoing
<redfish>
so running it on one end is enough
<TomasBond>
just run it iftop?
<TomasBond>
no tags?
<redfish>
just 'iftop'
<redfish>
'sudo iftop'
<TomasBond>
i see the connection
<TomasBond>
prom
<TomasBond>
10hb
<TomasBond>
kb
<redfish>
so, there's your 80MBps
<TomasBond>
meeeh mi girlfriend is asking to go out
<TomasBond>
ill be back later
<TomasBond>
ty redfish!
<redfish>
k, np, gl
<TomasBond>
what are the planets in ipfs?
<TomasBond>
different networks?
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<TomasBond>
ohh ill see it later
<TomasBond>
xD
<redfish>
i think it's forward-looking name -- eventually, it'll be connecting mars to jupiter
<redfish>
hopefully the link will be faster than the one between your windows box and VPS ;)
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<voxelot>
TomasBond: the interplanetary file system comes from J.C.R. Licklider and the intergalactic network
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<voxelot>
but we also want to build a network that will work on mars
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<evening>
redfish: do you think man will visit Jupiter's surface?
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<jinxz>
Hi, can you tell me how ipfs handles nat hole punching? Is it based on tcp or upd? Is it possible to resuse ipfs hole punched p2p connection for other stuff?
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<apiarian>
how well does IPFS deal with quickly changing datasets?
<apiarian>
for example, what if i wanted to propagate a series of changes to a file among at least a small group of nodes, with eventual consistency beyond that group?
<apiarian>
but i care that the changes happen in "real-time" for the core nodes. something like a collaborative editing system, for instance
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<noffle>
apiarian: IPFS doesn't have a native service for live merkle dag replication, but there's lots of discussion on it (see the ipfs/notes repo). I've also been exploring this exact subject lately, including a prototype-ish JS library that does live replication of IPFS dag objects: https://github.com/noffle/ipfs-hyperlog
<noffle>
jinxz: it should be possible. ipfs uses libp2p underneath (https://github.com/ipfs/go-libp2p), which is all about making it possible to reuse and even relay connections
<apiarian>
noffle: cool, thanks! i'll take a look
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<noffle>
apiarian: hyperlog is more geared toward modeling an append-only log than a set of rapidly changing files -- though an append-only log can certainly model that
<apiarian>
noffle: ya, i was thinking of something like that. maybe using a "log" of the changes from some starting state
<noffle>
yep, exactly
<noffle>
each log entry could even just be an /ipfs/Qmfoobar address pointing to the latest object (rather than storing the object itself in the hyperlog)
<noffle>
I'm working on a collab text editor, and am using hyperlog to form an append-only log of document edits in a similar fashion
<voxelot>
noffle: i was trying to think of a way to get VR rooms running in a distributed way, and thought that the replicated log of that much data would grow way too large
<voxelot>
but we could drop the old states since we don't really need to verify anything about the current state right?
<voxelot>
or just store a certain amount for slow nodes to catch up
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<noffle>
voxelot: only if you trust your peers
<noffle>
voxelot: having the full log as a merkle dag means it can't be tampered with
<noffle>
I'd maybe not even bother with using an ipfs object to represent the log if I had trusted peers; seems too heavy. just pass messages
<voxelot>
yeah, so at worst players in the VR could jump around and pretend they did things in the past that wasnt logged
<voxelot>
hmm
<voxelot>
but VR isn't exactly a video game so there is no score to spoof and stuff
<apiarian>
there are always trolls, aren't there?
<noffle>
voxelot: yeah I've thought about real-time distributed games too -- it's hard :D
<noffle>
if you allow partition tolerance, then a user could come back after 2 days and say 'oh hey btw I killed everyone at such and such a time 2 days ago'
<noffle>
and edit history for everyone
<noffle>
but if you lose availability then the game is unplayable, so that's no good
<voxelot>
yeah, could imagine trying to do an MMO like that
<noffle>
consistency is needed too for a realtime game
<noffle>
you need all three of CAP for most modern games
<voxelot>
*couldn't
<noffle>
but turn-based games are more approachable
* apiarian
is actually thinking about a distributed online go (baduk, weiqui) network
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<voxelot>
daviddias: ping
<noffle>
voxelot: how big do you expect the networks to be? I wonder if you could use kademlia to distribute users by spatial location in the game (use spatial distance rather than xor distance) to cluster players who are physically near each other with low # of hops
<voxelot>
alu ^
<voxelot>
the idea is to have a VR party 10-100 clients, or an entire VR downtown LA maybe
<noffle>
gossip + random topology might scale well enough
<TomasBond>
hi all! is there any problem if when i run the ipfs swarm peers, my local machine isnt in port 4001?
<alu>
it uses the smartphones sensors for routing informations, such as distance / battery
<voxelot>
noffle: we are thinking about dead dropping the city and as you pass to each node you enter it's data which i assume would house the data for that part of the city
<noffle>
oh neat
<noffle>
so nodes wouldn't be connected?
<noffle>
users just connect within the wifi radius of a node?
<voxelot>
for now, but i do want a graph for other reasons
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<voxelot>
so really we aren't talking about VR but AR,
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<TomasBond>
if i download a torrent in computer1, download same torrent in computer2
<TomasBond>
both files will have different metadata right? hash will be the same?
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<TomasBond>
hey
<TomasBond>
i cant find the doc where its explained how to make ipfs as a service