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<nicolagreco>
although the `notes` repository is cool, I wonder if it makes sense to start a new repo called `research` in which we actually discuss our research efforts and the different fields we are touching - lmk if it is a good idea
<A124>
I do not know... something happened to my node, or the DHT, or week/work day. On weekend when first started there was a ton going on, now I usually just get only swarm stuff, and just few repeated GetProviders requests.
<deltab>
noffle: hmm, use a mock?
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<jbenet>
noffle: ouch. if you can repro in a sharness test case for iptb would be great.
<jbenet>
pfista: we've had some, we should have a regular one. none of us lives there so, we need to find an organizer who wants to run it every month
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<whyrusleeping>
noffle: yeah, if you delete the files it uses to track which daemons it has open
<whyrusleeping>
then it will not be able to cleanup
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<dignifiedquire>
good morning
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: still not working :( (pushed your suggested fix)
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: (sorry for being such a pain, but I just don't get it :/)
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: the only thing I can see is that maybe the peer id is different? (between the one in the gulpfile and the one I'm trying to dial
<richardlitt>
daviddias: nothing is more motivating than a day of horrible admin the day before.
<daviddias>
ahahah admin day?
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<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: paying
<richardlitt>
daviddias: long story.
<richardlitt>
dignifiedquire: this license permanent, like sublime?
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<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: yes
<dignifiedquire>
no subscrap
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<richardlitt>
dignifiedquire: cool. What are the benefits you get?
<richardlitt>
Like, why is it good?
<dignifiedquire>
full control of ALL network traffic
<dignifiedquire>
with a nice ui
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<dignifiedquire>
you can stop any application from opening connections, monitor traffic, generate tcp dumps of interfaces on click
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<richardlitt>
daviddias: want me to throw you PRs as they come up?
<richardlitt>
dignifiedquire: do you use it often?
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<dignifiedquire>
everyday, in the sense that there are apps I don't want to give access to the www
<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: there is a trial you can try for yourself
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created fix/build-process (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vw3AG
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/fix/build-process 121d025 Jeromy: add a dist_get script for getting bins from dist.ipfs.io...
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #2584: add a dist_get script for getting bins from dist.ipfs.io (master...fix/build-process) https://git.io/vw3Au
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<daviddias>
richardlitt: you can, but I might also defer it to be the last thing I do today, because it is being hard to get a nice chunk of time to spend in a single task and I need to get some done that require focus. So if I don't review it immediately, I'm sorry and thank you for being patient :)
<richardlitt>
daviddias: No worries. I am just going to merge stuff, I think. I'll take responsibility if there are bugs, more important this is done.
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to fix/build-process: https://git.io/vw3j7
<A124>
Good afternoon. Have to ask about the DHT, or whatever layer does optimize the "where to get this stuff". First day I seen a buzz of requests, today over last 12h only about 200 different requests that were wanted 15 or more times.
<A124>
While pub-sub will help tremendously with certain scenarios, would it also serve well to see what stuff flows more in the network? Or how would one with large storage would select what to store, without bias for certain trees?
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] RichardLitt created feature/repo-stat-comments (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vwsfk
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/feature/repo-stat-comments cd20618 Richard Littauer: Small syntax changes to repo stat man...
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] RichardLitt opened pull request #2585: Small syntax changes to repo stat man (master...feature/repo-stat-comments) https://git.io/vwsfL
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to fix/build-process: https://git.io/vwsLd
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] RichardLitt pushed 1 new commit to feature/alphabetize-swarm: https://git.io/vwsGj
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/feature/alphabetize-swarm 34971a3 Richard Littauer: Also fixed syntax for comment...
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[go-ipfs] RichardLitt created feature/swarm-disconnect-note (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vwsnD
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/feature/swarm-disconnect-note 3f3665e Richard Littauer: Added a note about swarm disconnect...
<richardlitt>
Yes, we know, ipfsbot. Thank you.
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] RichardLitt opened pull request #2588: Added a note about swarm disconnect (master...feature/swarm-disconnect-note) https://git.io/vwsnb
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<alu>
in the video thye just showed off a mixed reality email poc
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed w/fix/logwriter-stall from 1ddfe4c to 877d5a7: https://git.io/vwsB9
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/w/fix/logwriter-stall 877d5a7 rht: Close errnotifier chan on err...
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<whyrusleeping>
alu: is the magic leap real?
<whyrusleeping>
i'm 90% convinced its vaporware and just video editing
<whyrusleeping>
and the claims of those videos being 'recorded live'
<whyrusleeping>
doesnt make sense to me
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<pfista>
whyrusleeping: it's real, though their demo environment is probably pretty contrived. in the same way leap motion always looks great in their marketing videos, it's actually shit in practice. that's because they use the controller to avoid it's weaknesses
<pfista>
they definitely have to manage the hype train because people's expectations are super high based on how much they've raised, but their tech probably isn't a giant improvement over any other AR device
<pfista>
the most important part is going to be the interfaces they create and the interaction methods to control them. that will make or break it as a new platform for computing
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<whyrusleeping>
pfista: hrm... okay
<whyrusleeping>
i want to get on the hype train
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<whyrusleeping>
and ride it all the to no longer owning computer monitors
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<pfista>
I really believe it will happen eventually. The hardware becomes less important and what really matters is how you build the interfaces in software
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<pfista>
the hardware might be a HMD today, and a brain-computer interface tomorrow
<jbenet>
A124 interesting. we need to get good stats output and viz for ipfs nodes, so we can track all the metrics well.
<noffle>
whyrusleeping: when doing a dht 'query' op, will peers not bother providing known peerids if it doesn't think they are sufficiently close?
<noffle>
or maybe they think the queryer is closer to all known peers?
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<richardlitt>
my `ipfs files *` requests are hanging. Ideas? cc whyrusleeping
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<whyrusleeping>
richardlitt: uh, what does 'ipfs diag cmds -v' show?
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<richardlitt>
```
<richardlitt>
ipfs diag cmds -v
<richardlitt>
ID Command Arguments Options Active StartTime RunTime
<whyrusleeping>
richardlitt: did you add things to your files root and then run a gc later?
<richardlitt>
whyrusleeping: no memory, if so
<whyrusleeping>
thats what its looking like happened
<whyrusleeping>
its trying to find the blocks for the stuff pointed to by your files tree
<Looking>
?
<whyrusleeping>
ipfs doesnt keep everything in the files api pinned
<alu>
whyrusleeping: the magic leap is real yeah i been tracking them for 2 years now
<noffle>
whyrusleeping: hm. I can sometimes get 'ipfs dht query' to return no nodes with an iptb cluster
<alu>
so far have 1.4 bill in seed funding
<alu>
550 mill from google in 2014
<whyrusleeping>
alu: yeah, thats nuts
<alu>
800 mill from alibaba
<whyrusleeping>
970 from alibaba, right?
<alu>
something like that
<whyrusleeping>
thats insane
<alu>
and they hired neal stephenson as the head futurist
<noffle>
whyrusleeping: awesome news is that all of the other commands are passing tests 100% of the time, even /wo timing delays
<whyrusleeping>
noffle: hrm... maybe i'm wrong and we don't actually do that
* Looking
for something ?
<richardlitt>
whyrusleeping: How can I clear it?
<whyrusleeping>
alu: whoa... they got neal o.o
<whyrusleeping>
richardlitt: 'ipfs files rm -r /'
<whyrusleeping>
maybe
<richardlitt>
cannot delete root
<noffle>
whyrusleeping: I'm trying to dig re: that, but I'm finding that even with 'ipfsi 0 log level dht debug' I still don't see some of the logging messages that I see in the source
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<noffle>
not the log.Debugf statement
<noffle>
statements*
<noffle>
just json dht events
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<richardlitt>
whyrusleeping: `ipfs files rm -r /*` is also hanging. :/
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<whyrusleeping>
use -rf then
<richardlitt>
still nothing O.o
<richardlitt>
I am confused.
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<whyrusleeping>
can you do 'ipfs files ls /' ?
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<richardlitt>
No, I can't do anything with the files API
<richardlitt>
Nothing happens.
<whyrusleeping>
kill your daemon
<whyrusleeping>
try the ls
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<richardlitt>
with dead daemon that works
<richardlitt>
...what
<whyrusleeping>
okay, now ipfs files rm -rf /
<whyrusleeping>
don't do /*
<whyrusleeping>
just /
<richardlitt>
Error: cannot delete root
<richardlitt>
so I removed /test, which was the only thing in there.
<whyrusleeping>
ah
<whyrusleeping>
okay
<whyrusleeping>
probably should be able to delete root
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<noffle>
whyrusleeping: it looks like we try to grab N peers from the desired k-bucket. if we don't get enough, it adds up to N from the (k+1)-bucket and (k-1)-bucket
<noffle>
but in a sparse dht (5 nodes), I could imagine all 3 buckets being empty
<noffle>
in some cases
<noffle>
it doesn't keep recursing outward to all its buckets
<richardlitt>
gah. Now I can't cp or mv a file into /
<whyrusleeping>
with 5 nodes, you won't have more than one bucket
<noffle>
oh, interesting. reading kademlia literature, it sounded like you'd have N buckets, where N is the # of bits in the key
<whyrusleeping>
the first argument is either an ipfs path, or a different path within the files api
<whyrusleeping>
noffle: given an infinite number of peers, yes
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<noffle>
so buckets will split as the # of peers reaches the bucket limit?
<whyrusleeping>
yeap
<noffle>
got it
<richardlitt>
whyrusleeping: got it, thanks.
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<noffle>
whyrusleeping: okay, managed to get the dht debug logging going (didn't realize it all went to .iptb/N/daemon.stderr for iptb)
<noffle>
I expected that to go to 'ipfs log tail', but only json events seem to
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<nullstyle>
I was looking at the source for OpenBazaar today and notice that it embeds go-ipfs... does anyone know if there is a guide somewhere or some text on how to achieve that or any tips on how I should learn whats necessary? I'm looking to build a application that integrates with ipfs and having a single binary would be nice. If such a route is not advised, I'd
<nullstyle>
love to here about any better models?
<nullstyle>
Whoops, bad question mark at the end of that message. I'm certain that I would love to here about the best ways to learn about integrating an application with ipfs :)
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<whyrusleeping>
nullstyle: that all depends on how your application is going to interact with ipfs
<whyrusleeping>
some applications might want to simply use the daemon that is already running on the system if one exists. this is more aimed at applications that just want to quickly fetch data (like wget, pacman, etc)
<whyrusleeping>
openbazaar (as far as my very cursory look tells me) is using a lot more of ipfs's functionality
<whyrusleeping>
i think theyre even hooking into the dht directly
<whyrusleeping>
which is really only possible right now if you embed a daemon
<nullstyle>
whyrusleeping: thanks for heads up. specifically I'm trying to build a proof of concept configuration system for applications built on top of the stellar network and ipfs, so embedding a daemon would be ideal. The point of my test is to see how far I can push the ease of deployment/configuration. Do you know of any projects that detect/use the local
<nullstyle>
daemon if it exists and otherwise fallback to an embedded daemon?
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<noffle>
whyrusleeping: phew. okay, so what seems to be happening is that in a 3-node iptb setup I'll query from node 0 for a key, and each of the other 2 *only* have node 0 in their k-buckets (so of course they fail). this happens less often as I scale the # of iptb nodes up
<noffle>
it doesn't seem to be a timing or random thing; waiting 10+ seconds after spinning up iptb doesn't seem to change anything
<whyrusleeping>
noffle: sounds like a keyspace alignment issue
<whyrusleeping>
nullstyle: not as far as I know right now
<whyrusleeping>
pfista: i'm not sure what we want to do on that one, jbenet hasnt gotten back to me on whether or not he wants a separate command for that
<A124>
Ok, so another report without any further info: If I tell ipfs to pin a lot of stuff it goes crazy and sends (outgoing) tons of data every second (>40Mbit 1/4 duty cycle at least)
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<A124>
After shutdown and re-spin it is silent baby.
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<anaptrix>
A124: i see stuff like that occasionally too
<anaptrix>
ipfs log tail shows a ton of everything
<anaptrix>
but i think its dht 'Provide' messages that are most of it
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<pfista>
whyrusleeping: going to try https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/2457. is there any other functionality besides removing the 2 lock files that will be needed for this?
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created fix/object-diff-resolve (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vwG0c
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/fix/object-diff-resolve 6a48155 Jeromy: fix resolve call in object diff...
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<whyrusleeping>
pfista: for now, i think just removing those lockfiles is fine
<whyrusleeping>
in the future it might be cool to iterate through all the blocks we have on disk and rehash them to make sure nothing has gotten corrupted
<pfista>
should i open a PR and push progress, or wait until i'm finished with everything?
<whyrusleeping>
either way is fine, if you push progress just make sure to say that its not ready yet
<whyrusleeping>
and then when it is ready, say so
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<pfista>
got it. thanks for the help!
<whyrusleeping>
no problemo!
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #2592: fix resolve call in object diff (master...fix/object-diff-resolve) https://git.io/vwG0S
<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/QmeGpoe5Gb8GXPLtdpd4qMUQgadD5rvLYkTzhZmRyAYKeE
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[host 0] failed to grab refs for /ipfs/QmeGpoe5Gb8GXPLtdpd4qMUQgadD5rvLYkTzhZmRyAYKeE: Post http://[fc98:424c:b433:d7e2:7ee3:9541:73ff:2cdb]:5001/api/v0/refs?arg=/ipfs/QmeGpoe5Gb8GXPLtdpd4qMUQgadD5rvLYkTzhZmRyAYKeE&encoding=json&stream-channels=true&r=true&: dial tcp [fc98:424c:b433:d7e2:7ee3:9541:73ff:2cdb]:5001: getsockopt: connection timed out
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed fix/object-diff-resolve from 6a48155 to 6d90fe3: https://git.io/vwGEa
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go-ipfs/fix/object-diff-resolve 6d90fe3 Jeromy: fix resolve call in object diff...
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vwGu3