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<shadoxx>
it's just a bunch of blobs...
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<gfdfgh>
alu: you're the one from the metaverse lab, i stumbled upon it vew days ago, cool things
<alu>
gfdfgh: yeah, thanks :D
<gfdfgh>
seems like you're trying to bring VRML back
<alu>
no, just the hopes n dreams of the 90s
<alu>
that was the peak of personal expression and aesthetic we had on the internet
<gfdfgh>
i found some time ago this project called polyhendronisme, and then i found out that it was just a canvas reimplementation of something that already worked long time ago in vrml
<gfdfgh>
alu: i restarted windows, increased pagefile size set IncreaseUserVa, killed most processes, disabled all addons, tried turning off the dwm, and your decimated world still wouldn't load in my chrome, all i could get to do is look around and move about two meters while it was loading
<gfdfgh>
that is, chrome commits suicide before it fully loads
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<alu>
line 2909 in janusweb.js is the settings we're playing with
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<ipfsbot>
[webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #334: Update eslint-plugin-react to version 5.0.1
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<koshii>
What are all these M-* users in here?
<Stskeeps>
koshii: matrix.org using people
<koshii>
Stskeeps: First time I'm hearinga bout this project. It provides bridges to many services?
<Stskeeps>
think so
<koshii>
Fascinating
<gfdfgh>
it keeps some fifty connections open to the same channel just to let people have backlogs
<koshii>
gfdfgh: No kidding? That's pretty intense.
<koshii>
gfdfgh: So what is the relay bot's name?
<gfdfgh>
M-* :)
<koshii>
Pff. Right. :)
<gfdfgh>
there are at least two clients connected here specifically for backlogs, and people still have to idle because their clients can't read those backlogs
* gfdfgh
wonders how many cpu cycles in total idlers waste per day on earth
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<daviddias>
richardlitt: I've added the things for today's sprint meetings :)
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<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: do you remember that software you used for livestreams?
<daviddias>
I remember it was a open source thing that worked on Mac OS X
<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs-api] diasdavid tagged v3.0.2 at 05518e1: https://git.io/vwm3W
<ipfsbot>
[webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #335: Update ipfs-api to version 3.0.2
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<__uguu__>
is there a channel for gx or can i get someone to test building a gx repo here?
* __uguu__
just moved a project onto gx
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<dignifiedquire>
haad_: want to talk about orbit at the apps hangout today?
<haad_>
sure
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<daviddias>
woooo just one page of issues on js-ipfs again. Getting close :)
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[js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire created greenkeeper-multiaddr-1.3.1 (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vwm4S
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js-ipfs-api/greenkeeper-multiaddr-1.3.1 15cf4da greenkeeperio-bot: chore(package): update multiaddr to version 1.3.1...
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[js-ipfs] diasdavid deleted greenkeeper-multiaddr-1.3.1 at a279f45: https://git.io/vwmBE
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[js-ipfs-api] dignifiedquire deleted greenkeeper-multiaddr-1.3.1 at 15cf4da: https://git.io/vwmBP
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<haad_>
dignifiedquire: we can also talk about CRDTs in the apps hangout
<richardlitt>
daviddias: thanks!
<richardlitt>
Europeans: Updated times, because I hate time zones and you should too
<haad_>
richardlitt is out. I'll be running the IRC syn. starting in 5mins. everyone have their coffees? noffle whyrusleeping dignifiedquire jbenet voxelot daviddias lgierth
<whyrusleeping>
haad_: i swear the time for these things changes every week
<haad_>
I know!
<daviddias>
whyrusleeping: ahaha
<noffle>
timezone funzone
<whyrusleeping>
- [x] coffee
<whyrusleeping>
- [x] laptop charged
<whyrusleeping>
- [x] internet
<whyrusleeping>
lets do this
<whyrusleeping>
oh shit...
<whyrusleeping>
- [ ] headphones
<haad_>
ok, let's start
<__uguu__>
whyrusleeping: gx is awesome by the way
<whyrusleeping>
__uguu__: thanks :)
<__uguu__>
it's a great alternative to godeps for what i am doing, sorta
<__uguu__>
just need to get every go repo using it :D
<haad_>
welcome everyone to the bi-weekly irc sync. people will give updates of their last sprint. please refrain to detailed discussions after sync. this should take < 1h.
<haad_>
we'll go in order of check in: daviddias please start
<whyrusleeping>
__uguu__: glad to hear it, i'd love to hear any other thoughts you have (i'm starving for feedback)
<whyrusleeping>
__uguu__: (after the sprint is over)
<__uguu__>
whyrusleeping: kk
<lgierth>
weeeh hey o/
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<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: youre alive :)
<daviddias>
sounds good
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<noffle>
__uguu__: share more in ##gx!
<haad_>
daviddias: ready?
<__uguu__>
noffle: kk
<lgierth>
i'm in a starbucks outside area, which is basically a parking lot
* daviddias
incoming
* daviddias
David Dias' Sprint Check In: This sprint has been intense (and it will continue), with the goal of getting everything in line for a beta version of js-ipfs by next week. Lot's of progress has been made across the panoply of JavaScript modules, from more test coverage, integration of the aegir assets pipeline, better documentation, project management, new
* daviddias
features for jsipfs swarm, namely: connect, peers and addrs local. My attention and time was across the board, CR+Merging all the things, help unblock things, get zlib integrated and (finally) spdy enabled over WebSockets (with flying colours).
<whyrusleeping>
entire update as /me ?
<whyrusleeping>
damn
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<voxelot>
great job steering the ship this week daviddias!
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<daviddias>
whyrusleeping: I try new things every sprint to see what looks best :)
<daviddias>
Thank you voxelot
<noffle>
great pr turn-around time this sprint daviddias
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias:
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<dignifiedquire>
merge all the PRs :D
<lgierth>
daviddias gets the hipster points as every week :D
<haad_>
daviddias: great to hear that js-ipfs beta lands next week! :)
<haad_>
looking forward to test the hell out of it (have a good test framework ;))
<lgierth>
and finally an ipfs that you can eat!!1
<daviddias>
working towards that :) I've very precise set of tasks required to get there that I will go through on today's hangouts. It will be great to have everyone's support :)
<Looking>
looking ?
<haad_>
any more questions to daviddias?
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<haad_>
no, let's move on, next: haad
<haad_>
incoming
<haad_>
I concentrated on upgrading all my projects to use 0.4, getting orbit-db and ipfs-log to work in the browser and improving Orbit's UX. Had a very productive sprint. I managed to upgrade everything to 0.4 and it's awesome: much faster and more stable than 0.3! We now have working distributables for **orbit-db and ipfs-log in the browser**. They still require a local daemon to run to work but this will change when js-ipfs ships. I added some new features to Orbit
<voxelot>
loaded up orbit for the first time in a long time, looks amazing!
<noffle>
haad_: super awesome progress this sprint!
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<haad_>
thanks
<daviddias>
haad_: orbit-db and ipfs-log on the browser as products/shippables/reusables by others sounds awesome! I foresee a lot of great experimentation and creativity being enabled by those libraries! :D
<haad_>
daviddias: agreed, me too. people having been asking for them, and we'll add the CRDTs to the mix soon.
<lgierth>
i like how we're breaking into usable territory
<lgierth>
bottom up up up
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<haad_>
js-ipfs will be an explosion to the usables
<haad_>
any more questions?
<ruby32>
hey all, other than the IPFS whitepaper, are there other resources that demonstrate the decentralized nature of IPFS?
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<haad_>
no question, let's move on: lgierth is next
<lgierth>
ruby32: hold off for a few minutes please, we're in the middle of sprint sync
<lgierth>
incoming
<lgierth>
One and a half weeks ago we released go-ipfs 0.4.0, yay! I took the smaller part
<lgierth>
in this intense day, doing dist.ipfs.io and go-ipfs deploys. I did some more
<lgierth>
work on go-ipfs and go-libp2p during the rest of the sprint -- a couple of
<lgierth>
bug fixes, and dependency updates. I'm now much more comfortable with gx.
<lgierth>
Mid-sprint I flew to Seattle, which is disturbingly warm and green at the moment.
<lgierth>
I caught a bad cold right away, and didn't get much more done. I also had the
<lgierth>
chance to meet and hang out with @thefinn93 and @danry25 of Seattle Meshnet. We've been
<lgierth>
working on cjdns and OpenWrt for two years already, but have never met before :)
<lgierth>
This morning I landed in Toronto, where I'll spend most of the week working on
<lgierth>
the cjdns android app with @benhylau -- IPFS work will happen too, but not too
<lgierth>
woops, i'll make those praragraphs prettier next time
<noffle>
ruby32: the stanford talk on ipfs.io is a great watch
<thefinn93>
yep, and now github subscribed me to the sprint thread :P
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<lgierth>
np thefinn93
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<whyrusleeping>
disturbingly warm and green?
<dignifiedquire>
lgierth: hope you feel well again :)
<whyrusleeping>
psssh
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<dignifiedquire>
also 0.4!!!!!!!!!!111
<whyrusleeping>
:D
<lgierth>
oh yes i'm quite good again -- toronto has t-shirt weather
<dignifiedquire>
<haad_>
0.4 is amazing!
<haad_>
:)
<daviddias>
yeah, I guess I didn't enphasize it during my sprint update, but with 0.4 release, there was an explosion of PR merged that had features specifically for 0.4.0. There were a ton of modules in our IPFS JS ecosystem that got updated! Great work everyone releasing 0.4.0! :)
<voxelot>
This past week I spent more time working with data-exporting, mostly testing moving files back and forth from go-ipfs to js-ipfs and hunting down some bugs. This led to studying more about node.js streams and having conversations with dignfiedquire and daviddias. Big thanks to them for helping me understand so much about streaming data. Also started learning
<voxelot>
reactive js to try out a module called highland by dignifiedquire's suggestions. This module looks powerful in its way of simplifying async code and I plan to incorporate it once I understand a bit more about reactive js programming.
<voxelot>
I spent a minimal amount of time working with aegir, the testing suit and standards for js modules. Reworked the multihash module to update from dig.js to aegir.
<voxelot>
Over the weekend I met up with alu in hollywood where we discussed visions of the future and how the web might look and be navigated. His work with janus VR and the equipment he has is really cool. Hollywood shows a lot of interest in visual things so it's natural to be asking these questions there. Seeing his work flow we started to come up with ideas of
<voxelot>
how IPFS might optimize data traffic for VR which could potentially create an interactive web that is content addressed in a way where you can actually walk through a dag of linked rooms!
<noffle>
hey folks; minor emergency on my end. I need to go for 15-20 mins, but can post my update then
<dignifiedquire>
noffle: no worries, take care!
<haad_>
voxelot: great work on js-ipfs!
<dignifiedquire>
if you are not back, I'll post it for you
<haad_>
voxelot: but please don't go too deep with reactive js ;)
<voxelot>
haad_ my thoughts exactly :)
<dignifiedquire>
go very very deep :)
<voxelot>
lololol
<voxelot>
in time
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<dignifiedquire>
the deeper you go the more reactive it will get ;)
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<daviddias>
voxelot: thank you for enduring the rocky path of data-importing
<jedahan>
is adding a comment to the sprint https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/101 an appropriate place if I wanted to share that ipfs 0.4.0 is now packaged in homebrew?
<haad_>
voxelot: I noticed in js-ipfs-api add return the hash of the full path, how's that gonna work in js-ipfs? same as go-ipfs?
<lgierth>
jedahan: put that in ipfs/weekly maybe
<haad_>
jedahan: absolutely. that's awesome!
<lgierth>
(and it is indeed awesome!)
<haad_>
jedahan: ah yeah, actually the weekly is better than the sprint notes
<voxelot>
haad_ that's more of in importer feature but i was planning on revisiting imports this week so i will look at how the api and go returns on add
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<dignifiedquire>
haad_: also I think this depends on how the core spec will turn out
<voxelot>
currently add justs spits out hash
<daviddias>
haad_: that is not decided yet. It all comes down to core-api spec. Right now, because we are changing to be compatible with incoming multipart streams, it will probably give you a full path + all the pahts in between till the file
<dignifiedquire>
(as far as I understood daviddias)
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<haad_>
daviddias: is that gonna be how go-ipfs will work in the future, too?
<haad_>
I have no strong pref one way or the other as long they're consistent. right now they're not and it's a bummer :/
<whyrusleeping>
consistency is important
<daviddias>
haad_: I haven't had any bikeshedding discussion, but one thing you can be sure, it will work the same way in both implementations.
<haad_>
more questions to voxelot?
<jbenet>
daviddias: sorry for core-spec delay. im working on it :)
<haad_>
daviddias: cool
<daviddias>
jbenet people want your specs :D
<haad_>
moving on, next up: whyrusleeping
<dignifiedquire>
jbenet: just write multi-spec then you are finished forever
<whyrusleeping>
==== why incoming ====
<whyrusleeping>
### @whyrusleeping sprint update
<whyrusleeping>
Started off last week by fixing the libp2p listener bug that snuck into 0.4.0. After that, I set to work trying to get enough pull requests merged that we would have under 40 open. Unfortunately we kept opening new ones at a rate higher than I could get through them, so its still nearly 50. I also started modularizing the go side of the codebase, breaking a few packages out of go-libp2p, @lgierth has a PR that
<lgierth>
multibenet would be useful too i guess :D
<whyrusleeping>
brings this into go-ipfs now too. In the same mood, I went and removed a tonne and a half of unused godeps, the go-ipfs codebase is a tad lighter now.
<whyrusleeping>
This week i'm hoping to refactor the swarm dialer in go-libp2p to allow better address intake control, and hopefully fix the dht findpeer bug at the same time.
<whyrusleeping>
==== EOF ====
<haad_>
whyrusleeping: I noticed in 0.4 it takes sometimes ages to connect to ("known") peers, is that the dht findpeer bug?
<dignifiedquire>
This sprint I had two things on my mind. The first one was IPLD, which entailed getting as familiar as possible with the spec and implementing the whole set of tooling in JavaScript (js-ipld, js-ipfs-ipld, js-ipld-cli). Also I started work on ipld.io, including design drafts and a first rough implementation.
<dignifiedquire>
The second focus was aegir (formally known as dignified.js). It is now deployed over nearly all active JavaScript projects on ipfs and while doing this work I also started getting familiar with the different parts of js-ipfs to be ready to help @diasdavid with finishing the first milestone.
<dignifiedquire>
In light of the 0.4 release and the aegir updates we finally shipped the very much overhauled and updated `js-ipfs-api` which is now in the best shape since it's creation :)
<dignifiedquire>
==== EOF ====
<noffle>
back
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: thank you for kicking ass and shipping things, fast :D
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: you are welcome :)
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<haad_>
dignifiedquire: great work on the js-ipfs-* packages :)
<richardlitt>
:D
<richardlitt>
That all sounds pretty awesome, dignifiedquire
<dignifiedquire>
thanks everyone
<dignifiedquire>
and welcome richardlitt
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: I plan on shipping even more this week ;)
<dignifiedquire>
any questions?
<nicolagreco>
If I want to participate to the sprint, can I just post to the issue ipfs/pm#101 ?
<dignifiedquire>
nicolagreco: yes
<richardlitt>
nicolagreco: That's if you want to talk about what you did this last week
<haad_>
more questions to dignifiedquire?
<richardlitt>
If you want to say what're you're doing the next week, post in the newer issue. :)
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: let's chat on the sprint hangouts. I've detailed the list of things to be done and there are some that totally have your name on it :D
<nicolagreco>
dignifiedquire: that is really great work! I am very excited about ipld and ipld.io
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: hmm I do not remember writing my name anywhere :P
<richardlitt>
haad_: me next?
<dignifiedquire>
nicolagreco: thanks :) looking forward to our hangout and getting the spec into even better shape
<jedahan>
its merged in, but i feel like I was just kinda brute forcing things
<jedahan>
especially with all the common deps between gx-go and gx
* noffle
focused on documentation this sprint.
<noffle>
This meant a more discoverable and consistent go-ipfs CLI, ipfs dht output that's more human & script friendly, and some 0.4.0 blog post notes. I also dug hard into bringing the pantheon of js-ipfs modules up to snuff: detailed READMEs with examples and full API notes as well as 100% test coverage for js-peer-id, js-multiaddr, js-peer-info, and js-ipfs-blocks.
<noffle>
EOF
<ipfsbot>
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<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/master 9c2feb2 Michael Pfister: commands: update log command help text...
<noffle>
writing docs and doing coverage has been great for learning the material, too
<richardlitt>
:)
<richardlitt>
noffle: feel free to cc me in on those for basic copy editing checks
<richardlitt>
I like reading stuff, too, so it's not a drag on me.
<noffle>
richardlitt: can do!
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<jedahan>
richardlitt, does it make sense to get rid of the github issues for ipfs/weekly, and to just make a pull request with just the template for each sprint, and have people comment in there what they are working on?
<daviddias>
awesome stuff ! :)
<richardlitt>
jedahan: Hypothetically, yes. Unfortunately, that's actually been shown to be a barrier to entry. People find it much easier to comment on an issue.
<daviddias>
thank you for getting all of those improvements over the modules mountain that js-ipfs is :)
<richardlitt>
jedahan: No idea why, just seems easier to press enter into a nice issue form than onto a template. The upkeep for having both isn't all that much greater, on my end.
<richardlitt>
*actually been shown / in my experience /s
<daviddias>
noffle: great to hear that it is also helping you understanding how it all works :)
<haad_>
more questions to noffle?
<jedahan>
richardlitt - hmm yeah, less friction the better. i wonder if when opening a new github issue, if it would be more confusing than helpful to like, use github issue templates to point them to this weeks update pull request
<haad_>
moving on. next: richardlitt
<richardlitt>
jedahan: haven't found wide adoption of github issue templates yet. Having lots of issues seems sub optimal, to me.
<richardlitt>
=== ME ===
<richardlitt>
This week, I spent a few days doing cool stuff: I cleared out most of my open issues, and merged a few of the http-api pulls. I worked really hard on the js guidelines for IPFS. I also looked into readme-standard again, learned how to make remark-lint plugins (and created remark-lint-appropriate-heading, the first of these needed). I also worked on the
<richardlitt>
weekly (which still hasn't been published, I think in a month now). I need to figure out how to make this work, because right now it is still a very broken pipeline. Also, I got horrible food poisoning.
<richardlitt>
======
<haad_>
richardlitt: is there a version of the standard readme I can take a look?
<richardlitt>
haad_: no, not yet. It's a collection of random modules. I want to tackle, tomorrow, how to really get it working on a single-module level.
<richardlitt>
haha, I mean, anyone else got questions for me?
<nicolagreco>
ops sorry
<richardlitt>
Perhaps something such as, "Hey Richard, what do you think you ate?"
<haad_>
richardlitt: tell us!
<richardlitt>
Or "Should I have this sour cream, if I'm not sure it is OK? How about three day old pasta, or a wrinkly tomato?"
<jbenet>
let's leave that outside syncs pls
<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: what poisend you?
<richardlitt>
Ok
<richardlitt>
Nevermind, off topic.
<richardlitt>
Any on topic questions?
<dignifiedquire>
ok
<haad_>
moving on. next up: jbenet
<haad_>
go jdag
<lgierth>
need to head out -- will be back for the infrastructure hangout starting in 1h5m
<jbenet>
this last sprint (2weeks) I was focused on: shipping 0.4.0 and all the things around it, helping find/address bootstrap hangs (fixed in 0.4.1), lots of discussions with @diasdavid and @whyrusleeping for go/js interop, IPLD discussions with @nicola (in person and ipfs/specs#91), testing Orbit (so cool!), meetings/discussions about ipfs with other orgs (ob,
<haad_>
jbenet: also, excited re. all the discussions with other groups!
<dignifiedquire>
jbenet: super nice stuff re gitlab! super excited about that
<daviddias>
^5! :D non stop streak of awesome things happening :)
<haad_>
jbenet: and thanks for testing orbit and reporting all the issues
<jbenet>
haad_ thanks! credit goes to whyrusleeping for who championed the entire thing. lgierth daviddias and i were support :)
<jbenet>
dignifiedquire: yeah very promising. i'll see if i can make the notes public (likely so)
<whyrusleeping>
with jbenet as my sheild and lgierth as my sword...
<jbenet>
daviddias: yes lots of great things happening :)
<whyrusleeping>
:P
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* jbenet
aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh i dont like swords
<dignifiedquire>
whyrusleeping: we need a picture of that
<whyrusleeping>
i'm terrible at photoshop
<whyrusleeping>
<.<
<jbenet>
haad_ thanks for orbit, it's awesome
* dignifiedquire
opens up photoshop
<jbenet>
the UX is fantastic.
<haad_>
thanks
<nicolagreco>
can't wait to try orbit too haad_
<jbenet>
(dignifiedquire: pls dont, i dont need more embarrassing pictures floating around)
<jbenet>
any Qs for me?
<haad_>
more questions to jbenet?
* dignifiedquire
sadface
<daviddias>
aha yeah, I was mostly just updating all the js modules for 0.4.0. The tributes for 0.4.0 release gods should be delivered to whyrusleeping jbenet and lgierth :D
<daviddias>
jbenet any ETA for core-api spec?
Looking is now known as fedex_truck
<jbenet>
this week for sure, but not sure when. hopefully soon
<nicolagreco>
jbenet: are you going to Internet Identity Workshop in MV next week?
<daviddias>
ok, sounds good :)
<daviddias>
jbenet also, have you been able to go through all of your 'participating' issues on github? I know you have been very busy, but just trying to understand what is the most effective way to pick a bit of your attention, sometimes.
<haad_>
ok, other than pictures, any more questions to jbenet?
<haad_>
next: nicolagreco. sorry to keep you waiting.
<jbenet>
daviddias: thanks for the poke, not yet. on it.
<daviddias>
ok :)
<nicolagreco>
=== nicolagreco =====
<daviddias>
jbenet: "Si"
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<nicolagreco>
This week I went to the WWW conference in Montreal, great conversations. I met the IPFS team in NYC, really nice welcome.
* whyrusleeping
coughs 'unixfschardingspec'
<nicolagreco>
I focused this sprint on IPLD writing down about the importance of separating high and low-level IPLD representations ipfs/specs#91. Also I wrote some tests for js-ipfs-ipld ipfs/js-ipfs-ipld#2 ipfs/js-ipfs-ipld#3 ipfs/js-ipfs-ipld#5 that will probably need new revision.
<nicolagreco>
Finally, I organized @jbenet his coming to MIT/Berkman while in Boston.
<daviddias>
nicolagreco: it was great to meet you in person!! :)
<whyrusleeping>
^
<nicolagreco>
and this is my first sprint!
<richardlitt>
wooo
<nicolagreco>
======= the end.
<voxelot>
welcome nicolagreco!
<richardlitt>
excited about the meeting this week, thanks for helping with that
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<haad_>
nicolagreco: awesome! warm welcome.
<nicolagreco>
thank you all
<haad_>
any questions to nicolagreco?
<dignifiedquire>
nicolagreco: welcome :) and thanks for all the spec work
<richardlitt>
nicolagreco: if you ever want to hang out and talk about ipfs, I live in Boston, too.
<richardlitt>
Currently in the Media Lab, actually.
<nicolagreco>
richardlitt: I basically live in stata - how funny
<nicolagreco>
we are one block away richardlitt
<richardlitt>
ok!
<richardlitt>
haad_: I think that's it?
<haad_>
ok, seems there are no more questions, so with that: END OF SPRINT
<haad_>
thanks everyone!
<richardlitt>
The next video chat is in 20 minutes; Apps on IPFS
<jbenet>
thanks very much haad_
<dignifiedquire>
thanks everyone
<haad_>
oh, one more update: any berliners/germans/others nearby: IPFS Berlin Meetup will happen on 2nd of May, keep your eyes on this: https://github.com/ipfs/community/issues/116
<daviddias>
haad_: thank you for managing the sprint :)
<whyrusleeping>
haad_: <3
<haad_>
np
<nicolagreco>
I have a suggestion for the sprint
<daviddias>
now, 18 minutes till the first hangout, right?
<nicolagreco>
it is awesome the way you do it already
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<nicolagreco>
actually the suggestion that I have you guys somehow apply it already
<nicolagreco>
I want to bring in the culture of thanking
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<noffle>
attitude of gratitude
<nicolagreco>
so in the sprint there is time for questions, but there should also be time for thanking
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<nicolagreco>
if that makes sense!
<dignifiedquire>
nicolagreco: that makes a lot of sense
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<nicolagreco>
it is the greatest time to thank anyone for solving a blocking issue that you had, to put a lot of effort into something & co
<jbenet>
agreed ^ :)
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<nicolagreco>
btw, unrelated, after seeing crate, I decided to implement the gossip protocols cyclon and spray - which are very simple to understand
<nicolagreco>
however I wonder how I could use js-libp2p for a couple of things
<noffle>
nicolagreco: ooh
<nicolagreco>
I think it took me a couple of hours on the plane to implement cyclon - without doing the networking part
<nicolagreco>
but now keeping the connections, naming the peers, I think this is work that I know you are all working on in js-libp2p
<nicolagreco>
I need some hint in the right direction
<jbenet>
cc daviddias o/
<jbenet>
nicolagreco happy to talk about that in the libp2p hangout today, or in person later this week
<noffle>
nicolagreco: are these on your github? not seeing anything yet
<nicolagreco>
jbenet: no rush, this was personal curiosity to understand how much we can fit libp2p in the p2p projects
<nicolagreco>
noffle: give me a couple of minutes, I literally did this on a plan - I had no connection :D
<daviddias>
nicolagreco: yeah, let's talk and check how you see that being built and I can guide you through on how to use libp2p modules to build that and recommend you in some specific direction
<nicolagreco>
jbenet: I am planning a workshop/class on distributed systems and I wonder if I can actually make it in javascript with libp2p
<nicolagreco>
s/distributed/decentralized/
<nicolagreco>
daviddias, jbenet, noffle thank you all!
<richardlitt>
nicolagreco: Agreed about thanking!
<daviddias>
nicolagreco: that sounds awesome! Let's make sure to have that chat today
<richardlitt>
========================== IPFS Hangouts: Apps on IPFS =========================
<noffle>
each crdt can be a super simple module that implements a view over a log
<jbenet>
lgierth: need me in infra? Sry had to take a call
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<haad_>
noffle: not sure I understand your gist. you want to have ipfs-log-index which tells the consumer when a new entry is added?
<lgierth>
jbenet: no worries all good -- i wanna chat with you about denylists though -- i don't recall much about your chained bloom filters idea
<lgierth>
jbenet: i wanna tackle that soon
<jbenet>
ok sgtm
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<lgierth>
(doesn't have to be today, i have enough to do for the week :)
<jbenet>
we can probably start without the bloom filters, and upgrade to them, but yes useful to discuss early to leave room for them
<jbenet>
ok sounds good later in week better for me
<noffle>
haad_: a crdt can be modeled as a set of operations, and so a log can model that set of operations (but adds causality on top)
<noffle>
haad_: to interpret the state of a crdt at a given point in time, the set of all known operations must be considered
<noffle>
haad_: since we're modeling on top of a log, the "now" point in time is at its heads
<noffle>
so you'll need some indexing function to look at every entry to interpret what that state looks like in a way that meaningful for consumers to use (get, put)
<noffle>
much like a db index
<jbenet>
noffle: prob good to put this in a note over at github.com/ipfs/notes
<noffle>
jbenet: +1
<jbenet>
(not in the current CRDT note pls, that's very different, make a new one)
<haad_>
noffle: still not sure what you mean. to me indexing is a different thing from the crdts, and a log contains all the operations, so however is consuming the log can decide how to use that (=operations) information. no?
<noffle>
haad_: exactly. that is what the indexer does: gives the consumer the ability to interpret the log
<noffle>
repace 'index' with 'view' if it helps
<noffle>
replace*
<noffle>
see the kvpair example in the gist
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<haad_>
noffle: so... how is that different from log.items?
<nicolagreco>
ok for me daviddias
<noffle>
log.items is a list of all log entries, right?
<haad_>
log.items => [op1, op2, ...]
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<noffle>
a view is an *interpretation* of those entires
<noffle>
entries*
<noffle>
e.g. a counter is a view of a log that exposes one method: getValue()
<noffle>
by maintaining an index over the add/subtract ops
<haad_>
right, ok, got it
<noffle>
this is a common enough thing to want that basically all crdts will need it
<noffle>
so having a super trivial interface for it will make building the crdts much nicer
<noffle>
bonus: it can also abstract away the ipfs aspect, meaning the crdt modules could be backend agnostic
<haad_>
wouldn't the index be different for all of them?
<noffle>
for each crdt? yes
<noffle>
a crdt would end up just being a custom indexer function and a few methods for accessing/writing
<noffle>
like the kv example
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<dignifiedquire>
jbenet: any chance you can join above? david needs you
<haad_>
noffle: I'd like to go with the "canonical" interfaces. is merge() (canonical) same as index() in your example?
<noffle>
haad_: no. this works on TOP of ipfs-log
<noffle>
it doesn't replace anything
<noffle>
you'd use your log as normal
<jbenet>
dignifiedquire: yep brt
<noffle>
much like how building a db index doesn't modify existing data
<noffle>
just adds its own view of it
<noffle>
(all good Qs btw; glad that I can improve my ability to explain this!)
<noffle>
(I'm not sure what you mean by "canonical interfaces" in this context)
<haad_>
noffle: ok you lost me again. if an index is on top of log, which contains items that are abritrary, how can an index know what to keep and what not to keep? that's the same as the crdt itself (ie. on query, it returns the current state), no?
<noffle>
yes, a crdt returns its current state. but how does it compute this state?
<multivac>
[WIKIPEDIA] Conflict-free replicated data type#State-based increment-only counter | "In distributed computing, a conflict-free replicated data type (abbreviated CRDT) is a type of specially-designed data structure used to achieve strong eventual consistency (SEC) and monotonicity (absence of rollbacks). There are two alternative routes to ensuring SEC: operation-based CRDTs and state..."
<noffle>
by tracking the log entries that make up and interpreting them, right?
<lgierth>
oh man thanks multivac
<noffle>
an indexer/view module provides an easy way to do that tracking and interpretation
<lgierth>
multivac: one more helpful thing like that and you get +b
<lgierth>
multivac: unless your maintainer takes care of you a bit
<noffle>
haad_: maybe you could reply to the gist with your take on what a kvpair set impl would look like?
<noffle>
I think that'd help us sync
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<haad_>
noffle: still lost. how I see it is that the log provides the entries. a crdt builds it's current state (aka view) from those log entries. not sure why a separate index(er) is needed?
<haad_>
noffle: also, on the example note, I'm not sure KV-store is a CRDT (is it?). I see KV as a view of a crdt (eg. LWW-set).
<A124>
Hello, I find it strange that log no longer shows a lot of different requests (GetProvider). Only few repeatedly. Any explanation to that?
<A124>
If I have that object pinned, would it still show GetProvider in log?
<haad_>
(hey everyone, if this is too much detail/spamming, let us know and we'll move it #elsewhere)
<noffle>
haad_: yeah please write in the gist to help us get on the same page
<noffle>
s/kv/multi-value register
<haad_>
noffle: ah, so that's an MVRegister example, not KV-store?
<noffle>
I think there are two layers then that I was conflating: you'd build a MVRegister using the index/view, and then you could make a kvstore on top of that
<noffle>
thanks for helping me differentiate there
<haad_>
ok, that helps to clarify
<noffle>
having compare+merge provides basically the same functionality
<noffle>
I wanted to over the strict crdt layer I think, so from ipfs-log => high level data structures on top of crdts
<noffle>
(brb)
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<haad_>
noffle: so, what I take from that is that index() is the same as merge?
<noffle>
I don't think their quite the same; will think more on this
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: is there an issue somewhere for the libp2p build?
<haad_>
noffle: all that being said, I'm still a little unsure how the state-based vs. op-based crdts will work out. orbit-db's been an LWW-set (op-based) and eg. counter is a state based, so I need to figure out how they can both work in a similar way. perhaps an index layer is needed, dunno yet.
<lgierth>
hangouts just keeps kicking me out due to "authentication issues"
<lgierth>
i do hear and see a few seconds though before that
<lgierth>
my only question is: 0.4.1 today?
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<whyrusleeping>
hopefully?
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<lgierth>
great :)
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted feat/object-diff at fa8de1b: https://git.io/vwYz5
<daviddias>
It was great to chat with you all :) Will go out for some food and then head out to home. See you all in a bit :)
<haad_>
thanks everyone for the hangouts!
<A124>
Guys, I got a problem, a file that takes 10s to get through ipfs.io gateway takes forever on my node.
<A124>
Also, as said earlier, I seem to get GetProvider requests only for few hashes. Will try to restart node. But in any case, whether DHT or other problem, should not happen.
* A124
notes the forever was meant literaly
<nicolagreco>
daviddias: is the meeting over?
<daviddias>
nicolagreco: they are done. Grabbing some food and then headed home, meet in 45 minutes?
<nicolagreco>
ok
<nicolagreco>
grabbing food myself too
<onlnr>
when will you hang out p2p on top of ipfs
* A124
notes restarting the node solved it.
<onlnr>
:}
<A124>
I think there should be some conventional service either in ipfs, on top of, or other way to designate ephemeral and "permanent" stuff.
<jbenet>
A124 of course it should not happen. it looks like NAT traversal, or maybe dht. you can look into exposing ports for short term improvements. and please contribute to fix this faster for everyone.
<A124>
So one could advise the nodes to store that file for a long time or GC it shortly.
<A124>
jbenet It is public server, no NAT, except docker.
<A124>
Which is forward, not a NAT? About contributing not sure how to this specific issue. I was playing and writing stuff for "smart" caching, so I help with data, but only the stuff that is requested more often, so do not store random tests and short lived things.
<whyrusleeping>
daviddias: ping
<whyrusleeping>
oh, hes getting food
<pfista>
is the multihash code stored in a separate repo from go-ipfs? i'm a little confused on what lives in go-ipfs vs outside, i.e. for things imported through gx
<pfista>
i know its at jbenet/go-multihash
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<jedahan>
hey btdubs if anyone in ipfs land is in NYC, i'd be happy to meet for drinks in person one evening
<jedahan>
ping me on irc or wherever else my name is searchable
* A124
notes: Someone writing the examples for IPFS, could include pinning the geoip database, so the dashboard gets eventually local resolve. And note it is about 100MB.
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<whyrusleeping>
jedahan: we were just all in new york a little over a week ago
<jedahan>
damn
<jedahan>
thats what I get for being in-and-out of irc
<whyrusleeping>
pfista: all the code vendored with gx lives outside of go-ipfs, but when you run 'make install' gx pulls it all down and installs it into your GOPATH
<jedahan>
whyrusleeping for a particular conference, or coincidence?
<whyrusleeping>
jedahan: we had an ipfs meetup and mostly just hung out
<whyrusleeping>
we hadnt ever all been in the same room at the same time before
<jedahan>
sounds like it was a good time
<jedahan>
welp, i guess the offer stands for anyone who is based in ny, or visits again
<pfista>
whyrusleeping: does it pull from github or my local drive? i.e. how would i make changes to a gx package like multihash
<whyrusleeping>
pfista: it pulls the package down from the cloud and saves it at $GOPATH/src/gx/ipfs/<pkg hash>
<whyrusleeping>
you *could* change the code there, or
<A124>
jbenet Thanks! And awesome! :) ... Not on github yet. But should I add it to Pinning, or separate? Pinning seems appropriate to me though.
<whyrusleeping>
you could run 'gx-go rewrite --undo go-multihash'
<whyrusleeping>
and then make your changes in $GOPATH/src/github.com/jbenet/go-multihash
<jbenet>
A124 make a different one altogether
<jbenet>
Could even talk a bit about that data structure
<pfista>
alright thanks!
<whyrusleeping>
although it might be cool to add a small section to the pinning example of "some cool things you could pin"
<whyrusleeping>
maybe
* A124
hums and nods, with thanks.
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<nicolagreco>
daviddias: ping me whenever you are free
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 10 new commits to master: https://git.io/vwYoV
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go-ipfs/master dfd98f2 Stephen Whitmore: mfs.Mkdir returns the final Directory it creates...
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go-ipfs/master 06e7103 Stephen Whitmore: Cache files/dirs when added....
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<pfista>
when resolving a name for a peer ID, is there any reason why using a local resolver would return a name different than the non-local resolver?
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<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: I'm here, was chatting with nicolagreco :)
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: :) well while you were busy talking I implemented ipfs addresses :P
<daviddias>
woooo
<daviddias>
already
<daviddias>
sweet! :)
<dignifiedquire>
well I told you I need to be ready wednesday morning ;)
<nicolagreco>
dignifiedquire: you are a machine
<daviddias>
could you update js-libp2p-swarm tests so that the multiaddrs have their respecive ipfs component and that libp2p-swarm knows how to decapsulate them?
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: I'm on my phone now, could you create an issue with some links? not a 100% sure what you want
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<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: sure :)
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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vwYp0
<voxelot>
shadoxx: nice, how do i use this magic, clone your branch and say vagrant three times fast and i haz ipfs now?
<voxelot>
also i've never compiled go-lang, which learning go is on my todos
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<voxelot>
if you have a node vagrant i'd be more than happy to test js-ipfs on it
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<shadoxx>
voxelot: sorry, let me write something in the README
<shadoxx>
You make a valid point
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<voxelot>
shadoxx: maybe add somethign to the 'install' section of the readme, like a vagrant build section
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<voxelot>
and awesome! btw, think the go guys here will have better input on it oto
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<voxelot>
shadoxx: if its possible to build something for node, like multi-machine for testing that would be amazing
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<voxelot>
even more so if you can get browsers running like selenium, think dignifiedquire was doing that for a time, still think there would be interest in go for using this to model distributed systems for tests