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<whyrusleeping> redfish: sounds somewhat legit, you should write it :D
<noffle> whyrusleeping: so, you're okay with an "init" operation destroying files on your disk that it never owned?
<noffle> that is hugely broken
<noffle> you're trying to justify madness
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<whyrusleeping> ....this is sparta? no, i got nothing.
<redfish> noffle: i think all agree that unlink(*) should just be fixed out of go-ipfs as you said, i didn't mean to imply there's some other way
<whyrusleeping> i'm thinking that instead of trying to keep track of everything its responsible for, we just don't have a -f option on init
<whyrusleeping> like git
<noffle> to be honest, I expected 'ipfs init' to create an .ipfs dir, which is pretty widely accepted nomenclature
<noffle> like git
<whyrusleeping> mmm, also not correct
<whyrusleeping> GIT_DIR specifies an alternate location for the .git directory
<whyrusleeping> it won't go make $GIT_DIR/.git
<whyrusleeping> it just uses $GIT_DIR as is
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<noffle> oh interesting
<noffle> okay, that's fair -- point conceded
<redfish> whyrusleeping: re db; yeah, append would involve constructing a new index, i.e. merkle tree, where (hopefully) most subtrees will be re-used from the pervious version of the index, the new root hash of an index will denote the updated "db" with the appended item
<noffle> but I remain steadfast that no init op should nuke a directory
<whyrusleeping> noffle: yeah, but i do think youre right that we *should* emulate git
<whyrusleeping> and just not have a --force option
<redfish> yeah, maybe in some months I could try it out in code.. thx for encouragement
<whyrusleeping> its rife with possibilities for misuse
<noffle> sounds good!
<whyrusleeping> mostly because it would be incredibly tedious to have to maintain a list of every file we are responsible for
<noffle> agreed; I liked wrapping in an .ipfs dir by default to make it easier
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created feat/no-init-f (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vaoOz
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/no-init-f b0e63dd Jeromy: remove init -f option, its bad...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #2479: remove init -f option, its bad (master...feat/no-init-f) https://git.io/vaoOP
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feat/no-init-f from b0e63dd to 803373a: https://git.io/vaosK
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feat/no-init-f 803373a Jeromy: remove init -f option, its bad...
<shadoxx> ouch, a force push
<noffle> shadoxx: on a wip private branch it's not dangerous
<noffle> on master is another story :)
<shadoxx> i know, but still. ;] just gives me shivers
* shadoxx is devops and would have to have a talk with a developer
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] kalmi opened pull request #2480: Appveyor fix to make it execute tests again (master...appveyor-fix) https://git.io/vaoG8
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<noffle> shadoxx: the danger of force pushing is when there are multiple clones of that branch in existance, because history is no longer consistent across them. for a private branch it tends to mean n=1 clones in existance that are being worked on, so (generally) no harm done
<noffle> I'm a bigger fan of not force pushing and just squashing pre-merge though
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<whyrusleeping> shadoxx: force pushing to master is disabled :)
<noffle> whyrusleeping: is that a precommit hook?
<whyrusleeping> server side hook
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vaoZX
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master 420b02e Tarnay Kálmán: appveyor fix to make it execute tests again...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master 7134930 Jeromy Johnson: Merge pull request #2480 from kalmi/appveyor-fix...
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] RichardLitt created feature/add-wrap-long-desc (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vaonU
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/add-wrap-long-desc 62e19ef Richard Littauer: Added a long description to add...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] RichardLitt opened pull request #2481: Added a long description to add (master...feature/add-wrap-long-desc) https://git.io/vaonk
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<whyrusleeping> slothbag: ping
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] RichardLitt force-pushed feature/add-wrap-long-desc from 62e19ef to d1656f6: https://git.io/vaoC8
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/add-wrap-long-desc d1656f6 Richard Littauer: Added a long description to add...
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<richardlitt> Anything cool happen this week? Let us know! https://github.com/ipfs/weekly/issues/29
<richardlitt> L:D
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<slothbag> windows builds up and running again.. thanks whyrusleeping, next time i'll have to follow instructions more carefully :)
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<nicolagreco_> are we doing something like CoralCDN for ipfs.io?
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<M-davidar> nicolagreco_: you mean like https://github.com/ipfs/infrastructure/issues/92 ?
<nicolagreco_> M-davidar yes! exactly what I meant
<nicolagreco_> I just finished to read the coralcdn paper
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<nicolagreco_> and they had this nice "can be used on the web today"
<nicolagreco_> that was really interesting to me
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<haad> good morning
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<tmg> haad: evening
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<dignifiedquire> good morning everyone
<dignifiedquire> :sun:
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<M-3630> Morning
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<M-davidar> gah, how is it that some of the gateways on the ipfs.io round-robin can access a given hash, and others just timeout?
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<M-davidar> lgierth: ^
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<ipfsbot> [ipfs] slothbag opened pull request #166: Update C# API lib to a more complete one (check dev branch) (master...master) https://git.io/vaKnF
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<richardlitt> moin
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<achin> richardlitt: i thought spring was here. what's happening this weekend????
<richardlitt> Whaaa?
<richardlitt> Is it going to be bad?
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<achin> can't tell yet, i think we need another 24 hours. but i think some of the weather models have southern new-england getting several inches of snow
<achin> wunderground says 3 to 5 inches for both providence and boston
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<ggoZ> is there an example of how to add a file to ipfs from withing go source?
<ggoZ> I tried, but I can't reverse engineer the maze of functions required to actually add a file, and not have progressbars etc
<ggoZ> I.E.: I want to download a file off the interweb, and add it into ipfs.
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<richardlitt> Whoa
<richardlitt> Wish I had time to walk to the cape this week :|
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<richardlitt> achin: ran into a weird problem running `name-your-contributors` -- one of the API endpoints served by GitHub was failing inexplicably
<richardlitt> Super fun!
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<achin> were you able to figure out why?
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<nicolagreco_> who is working on crdt here?
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<haad> nicolagreco_: o/
<nicolagreco_> haad: got links?
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<cryptix> re :)
<cryptix> ERROR swarm2: swarm listener accept error: message too large swarm_listen.go:129 < i guess these are v0.3.x connection attempts?
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<whyrusleeping> cryptix: that ones interesting. normally the 0.3.x attempts look different
<dignifiedquire> hey richardlitt and whyrusleeping :)
<richardlitt> I didn't do it
<whyrusleeping> hey hey hey
<richardlitt> It was my sister.
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: did you start getting those stats?
<haad> nicolagreco: you can take a look at https://github.com/haadcode/orbit-db, specifically _read() in OrbitDB.js. it's a CmRDT, LWW-set.
<whyrusleeping> i did indeed
<haad> nicolagreco: I'm not working on a CRDT library though, and not on CvRDTs
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<cryptix> whyrusleeping: i get lots of that one (QmSu1kwvdd4WuUNEGMUXcEMd5TyGMjYX1LdoJPXLxghHM3)
<cryptix> 0.4.0 rc3 (i think)
<cryptix> i lied, master
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] RichardLitt created feature/add-defaults (+1 new commit): https://git.io/va6iz
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/add-defaults 6edd90a Richard Littauer: Add programatic defaults...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] RichardLitt opened pull request #2484: Add programatic defaults (master...feature/add-defaults) https://git.io/va6ir
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] RichardLitt force-pushed feature/add-defaults from 6edd90a to b691e17: https://git.io/va6i9
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/add-defaults b691e17 Richard Littauer: Add programatic defaults...
<richardlitt> all the go
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<achin> how are things looking for 0.4.0?
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<dignifiedquire> richardlitt: nice, looks like you'll be the go master in no time :)
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<richardlitt> bwahaha
<richardlitt> no
<richardlitt> :P
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<achin> is richardlitt secretely deepmind? a go-learning expert?
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<richardlitt> all about that baduk
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<whyrusleeping> guys, its a miracle
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<whyrusleeping> i'm using cat for its intended purpose
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<whyrusleeping> i actually had to stop and think for a second "how can i concatenate these three files?"
<achin> mrow
<whyrusleeping> achin: the hopeful plan for 0.4.0 is tuesday :)
<achin> oooh, nice!
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: is the data ready for me to start working with?
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<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: i only have data for 0.4.0 right now, my computer ran out of disk space
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: :D
<whyrusleeping> if you want to run the script i can send it to you and explain it
<dignifiedquire> hmm I don't have much space atm
<whyrusleeping> mmkay, i'll just run it on my raid
<whyrusleeping> just havent yet because i need to reinstall go
<dignifiedquire> how much space would I need?
<whyrusleeping> about 50GB
<whyrusleeping> i think
<whyrusleeping> i'm cleaning daviddias's files off of my raid
<whyrusleeping> i forgot that he filled it up last year
<dignifiedquire> lol, okay send me the script I have a partition with that space
<whyrusleeping> so, set up an ipfs daemon
<whyrusleeping> and run the script
<whyrusleeping> it will output timings to a file named timings
<whyrusleeping> each row is a series of times for adding a file of the size specified in the first column
<dignifiedquire> ok
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: running for 0.4 now
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: you know what would be really nice, if the daemon printed the repo path when starting up, so you are sure that the path that's been set is the one you want
<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: sounds like PR bait
<dignifiedquire> :D
<dignifiedquire> you know what I'm working on :Ü
<whyrusleeping> i'm gonna close it
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: best PR ever :D https://github.com/karma-runner/karma/pull/1999/files
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<whyrusleeping> wat
<whyrusleeping> thats seriously the change the bot pushed?
<whyrusleeping> also, whats with the googlebot?
<dignifiedquire> looks like that was a waste of time running the script *cough*
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: karma is "officially" under google reigns as Vojita the initial author worked for Google when he wrote it
<whyrusleeping> thats super boring
<whyrusleeping> also, what is wrong with your time binary?
<dignifiedquire> don't know
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: only two options: time [-lp] utility
<whyrusleeping> well, my rm -rf davidsstuff command has been running for about half an hour now
<dignifiedquire> lol
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<whyrusleeping> i can probably just finish deleting all that later
<achin> "boss, i need faster disks" "why's that?" "i can't delete davidsstuff fast enough"
<montagsoup> he might just buy you an old one and hand you a magnet though
<whyrusleeping> i had 6TB of free space before he started working on things
<whyrusleeping> then he ran the filesystem out of space
<whyrusleeping> which really sucks on zfs
<whyrusleeping> like *really* sucks
<achin> zfs doesn't handle out-of-space well? bummer
<whyrusleeping> nope
<whyrusleeping> neither does btrfs
<whyrusleeping> or really any COW filesystem
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<achin> you have a fairly large storage array, right whyrusleeping ?
<whyrusleeping> 15TB raw, 9TB usable
<whyrusleeping> i'm planning out a bigger one soon though
<achin> what chasis is it built on?
<whyrusleeping> my current one?
<achin> i'm looking to build myself about that size
<achin> yeah, and also what you're planning
<whyrusleeping> its a super cheap box that i regret buying
<whyrusleeping> it looks like a vcr
<achin> hah
<whyrusleeping> if doing this again, i'd get a lian li
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<whyrusleeping> (i'm probably getting a lian li for my next build)
<achin> a friend of mine suggested looking at an MSA60
<achin> which are apparently pretty cheat on ebay
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<whyrusleeping> yeah, you could go that route
<whyrusleeping> i've never tried buying used servers on ebay
<achin> this would just be for holding the disks. so hopefully there's not too much to go wrong with it being used
<whyrusleeping> yeah, true
<whyrusleeping> but that route is more expensive
<whyrusleeping> since i'd be buying ssds
<NeoTeo> o/ all
<whyrusleeping> NeoTeo: heyo!
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] RichardLitt created docs/grammar-in-diag (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vaiah
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/docs/grammar-in-diag 5f0c997 Richard Littauer: Edited the grammar for diag...
<NeoTeo> You guys actually have server cabinets?!
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] RichardLitt opened pull request #2486: Edited the grammar for diag (master...docs/grammar-in-diag) https://git.io/vaiVk
<achin> that super micro actually looks not too bad, in terms of price
<whyrusleeping> NeoTeo: haha, i have a nice closet that has ventilation and a very convenient width
<whyrusleeping> (and depth)
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<whyrusleeping> plus a giant really cold basement
<NeoTeo> whyrusleeping: That's actually totally nerd-cool. Jealous.
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<whyrusleeping> yeah... except for the part where my fingers are always cold and i cant type well
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<achin> why is your basement so cold?
<NeoTeo> whyrusleeping: a small price...
<whyrusleeping> i think mostly poor insulation
<whyrusleeping> but its also a basement, the underground is pretty cold normally
<montagsoup> please tell me you've run wine atleast once down there
<achin> maybe you're running a bunch of cryo-arithmetic engines down there
<NeoTeo> I don't understand why they don't do heated keyboards
<whyrusleeping> lol
<whyrusleeping> my buddy actually has a heated mouse
<whyrusleeping> he uses it at work
<NeoTeo> Makes sense, though It should be a fully A/C mouse so you don't get sweaty hands.
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] RichardLitt created feature/move-verbose-option (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vaiiA
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/feature/move-verbose-option c2b49f4 Richard Littauer: Moved verbose option to clear subcommand only...
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] RichardLitt opened pull request #2487: Moved verbose option to clear subcommand only (master...feature/move-verbose-option) https://git.io/vaiPG
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<whyrusleeping> mmmm, i want to build a new desktop, but i also want to wait for the new nvidia cards AND the new skylake-E chips to come out
<whyrusleeping> and i also need to pay bills, sooooo... i wait
<whyrusleeping> supposedly theres going to be a 10 core i7
<NeoTeo> whyrusleeping: Is your distro good with drivers on brand new hardware?
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<whyrusleeping> yeap
<whyrusleeping> most of the issues with brand new processors are because of integrated graphics
<whyrusleeping> which doesnt really affect me because of dedicated GPUs
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<achin> i too am tempted to wait a bit and then get something that will be VR-capable
<whyrusleeping> that said, i do generally have to use an unreleased kernel for a bit to get things working right
<whyrusleeping> my next workstation needs 64GB of ram minimum
<whyrusleeping> i keep running out of my 32
<NeoTeo> Jeez!
<achin> also, my currrent windows gaming system is gentoo. which won't support rift or vive
<NeoTeo> What uses that much memory? Or do you never quit applications?
<montagsoup> so, you want only slightly less ram than i have storage. fun
<richardlitt> whyrusleeping: I think I am getting better at this Go thing
<whyrusleeping> richardlitt: awesome :D
<whyrusleeping> NeoTeo: chrome, ipfs, three or four VMs, ten or so different workspaces all with different projects open, and then running ipfs stress tests on top of that
<NeoTeo> whyrusleeping: Ah, the VMs.
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<TomasBond> hey all!
<NeoTeo> hey
<TomasBond> can i mount a personal gateway?
<TomasBond> to avoid ipfs overloaded gateways?
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<TomasBond> srry got dced, ill ask again. Is there anyway to set up a private gateway? not to heavy load public ipfs gateways?
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<shadoxx> TomasBond: just talking about that yesterday. lt me see if i can dig up the link
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<shadoxx> lol
<shadoxx> Well, if he comes back I have the link...
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<misuto_> shadoxx: Could you send me the link?
<misuto_> shadoxx: Thank you!
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<deltab> I think that's a different thing: a private *network*
<deltab> you can certainly have your own gateway to the public network, instead of using the ipfs.io gateway
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<voxelot> think this hits more on the private network with pki as linked to in the private gateway above https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/1633
<voxelot> i think cjdns when i hear private network
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<TomasBond> hi all!
<TomasBond> do u know the reason i cant reach a file?
<TomasBond> both computers are running the daemon
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<TomasBond> i use the ipfs get hash command
<TomasBond> but for some reason the terminal hangs
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<TomasBond> tryied windows default terminal and putty
<TomasBond> i want to transfer a directory from my local computer to my vps
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<TomasBond> from the ipfs.io/ipfs/hash gateway i can see the files
<TomasBond> the ipfs get command is the problem
<TomasBond> doesnt work
<redfish> TomasBond: are your two nodes connected? check that ipfs swarm peers on each node has the other node listed
<TomasBond> yeah, both have peers
<voxelot> TomasBond: you can force connections https://ipfs.io/docs/commands/#ipfs-swarm-connect
<voxelot> just because both have peers doesn't mean your two nodes aren
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<TomasBond> how can i check in my local ipfs the /ip4/ip direction?
<voxelot> ipfs swarm addrs local
<voxelot> will show your local peers
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<TomasBond> so i go the /protocol/ip/tcp/
<TomasBond> i have to add /ipfs/hash of id?
<TomasBond> done ty
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<TomasBond> is there any command to track ipfs traffic?
<tmg> `ipfs stats bw` should give you some feedback
<tmg> I seem to recall it being off by a factor of 4 but this may have been fixed