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<brandon76>
hello friends
<brandon76>
are there people here to help?
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<deltab>
brandon76: probably not many, as it's evening or night in many places
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<whyrusleeping>
i'm here!
<whyrusleeping>
though i get distracted easily and frequently miss messages directed at me
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<Evermore>
For practice, I'm making something very similar to IPFS and I have a question about the Merkle trees:
<Evermore>
If I store a file and it gets split across multiple blocks, the multihash IPFS returns will be of the Merkle tree, and not equivalent to hashing the original file all at once, right? Is the original hash even needed? No, right?
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<lgierth>
yeah it's gonna be the hash of the merkle tree
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<lgierth>
somehow gotta link to those blocks :)
<Evermore>
lgierth: Makes sense, thanks. I don't think my design will need the hash of the concatenated original file, either
<Evermore>
yeah
<lgierth>
if you do already have a dataset with hashes though, you can still make use of that
<Evermore>
I may keep it as metadata
<lgierth>
bitswap has a limit on how large blocks can be, but the addressing and data model themselves can address anything -- see github.com/ipld/cid
<Evermore>
That would make it easier to verify that nothing is corrupted
<lgierth>
like, we can address git data blocks in ipfs by their original hash
<Evermore>
oh sweet
<Evermore>
long as I'm here, is IPFS using SHA2-256 by default right now?
<lgierth>
0.4.11-rc1 is about to be released which will come with that
<lgierth>
yeah
<Evermore>
ok I was skimming the multihash spec but couldn't see for sure and couldn't find a base58 decoder webpage / Arch package to save my life
<lgierth>
yeah... :)
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<lgierth>
it's base58-btc -- will switch to CIDv1 in base32 soon
<lgierth>
so we can use these CIDs in URLs
<Evermore>
soooo
<Evermore>
so if I have a multihash in base64 then IPFS will understand it? Or is this a breaking change or?
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<lgierth>
CIDs carry information on which base it's encoded it
<lgierth>
*encoded in
<Evermore>
I see a thing for codecs... I haven't really kept up with IPFS news in the last couple years
<lgierth>
old multihashes didn't, they are CIDv0 (Qm...)
<Evermore>
ok hm
<lgierth>
CIDv1 are [base][codec][multihash]
<lgierth>
where codec is kind of like a content type
<brandon76>
whyrusleeping, lol i miss them too, as you can now see
<Evermore>
lgierth: Does that also mean that the multihash for blocks is just the block data hashed
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<chris_>
Hey everyone, just started experimenting w IPFS and its awesome! noob question, so once I "ipfs add" a file, is that done and stored on the blockchain? permanently? or do I need to run an ipfs daemon and/or anything else as well? thanks!
<chris_>
also, does ipfs have support for sql? Im tinkering w the open bazaar code and there are references to it, so I assume so?
<patagonicus>
chris_: It's only stored on your computer, but if someone else looks at the file, it will be stored on their computer. If they pin it, it will be stored semi-permanently. But you don't have any control over that. That's what filecoin.io will be used for.
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<patagonicus>
Basically: If your file is popular many computers will store it which will help with delivering the file to many people at once and make it available even if your pc is off, but there are no guarantees and your file might become unavailable at any time if you don't take measures to keep it available.
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<chris_>
patagonicus, alright I see! thanks for clearing that up
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<txt-file>
I just installed ipfs on a computer and started it.
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<txt-file>
Is there a way to disable legacy IP?
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<deltab>
txt-file: Hi. What do you mean by legacy IP?
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<txt-file>
deltab, IPv4
<deltab>
it's possible to block IP addresses, so I expect it's possible to block /ip4/0.0.0.0/ipcidr/0
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<deltab>
hrm, I can't find documentation for the config file
<txt-file>
So ipfs seems to work. Seems to be just an issue with the web frontend.
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<brandon76>
i have so many questions about ipfs
<txt-file>
brandon76, Tell them. If you keep them to yourself nobody can answer. ;-)
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<brandon76>
like i don't understand what ipfs is or what i could do with it
<txt-file>
„InterPlanetary File System (IPFS) is a protocol designed to create a permanent and decentralized method of storing and sharing files.“ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipfs
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<txt-file>
You can create a file/data storage. Then you can access it from another ipfs instance.
<txt-file>
IMHO the wikipedia article is a good start.
<lgierth>
yeah there've been cases of copyright violations too, we don't like them. it's the most boring use case of ipfs
<TeMPOraL>
brandon76: the point is content addressing + p2p; if you e.g. give me an IPFS link to your video, and it so happens that I'm in the same LAN as you (also running IPFS, et al.), I don't have to fetch the video from across the ocean, I'll just download it from you directly, etc.
<brandon76>
TeMPOraL, oh that's cool
<lgierth>
and if the original source of the video goes down, the data is still available and the link still works
<brandon76>
how is the data still available?
<lgierth>
tons of stuff vanishes off the internet every day (link rot)
<TeMPOraL>
yeah, as long as it's on my machine, even if brandon76 deletes the video or goes offline, other IPFS users will find the video on my machine
<TeMPOraL>
through the same link (because of content addressing, not location addressing)
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* lgierth
back to repairing my bike
<TeMPOraL>
brandon76: IPFS link means "file with hash this-and-that", not "file located here-and-there"; as long as anyone in the IPFS network has the file with a given hash, it will be accessible through an IPFS link
<brandon76>
but stuff that is once available must often become unavailable
<brandon76>
the data i mean
<TeMPOraL>
what do you mean by _must_?
<brandon76>
or does data get copied onto each node
<brandon76>
like if i connect as a node and have a file, does it immediately get duplicated on other nodes?
<lgierth>
whoever accesses the content then also holds a copy
<lgierth>
no
<lgierth>
other nodes fetch it
<lgierth>
you can't push data to other nodes in ipfs
<brandon76>
manually by user right
<lgierth>
or automated with filecoin in the future
<TeMPOraL>
brandon76: if I download the file from you, I'll have it on me too, and will temporarily make it available
<TeMPOraL>
it'll eventually disappear when garbage collection runs on my machine
<lgierth>
you could build any number of tools and concepts for replicating data across the network
<TeMPOraL>
unless I "pin" it, which is my explicit action that means "I want to keep distributing this file"
<brandon76>
so might nodes eventually become like servers?
<TeMPOraL>
brandon76: IPFS deals with finding files by hash in a p2p network, and moving them around; ensuring the file spreads through the network is not the part of the scope of IPFS
<TeMPOraL>
but from what I understand, that's what Filecoin is for
<TeMPOraL>
i.e. an incentive for people to store other people's data
<brandon76>
interesting
<TeMPOraL>
so e.g. I could earn money (filecoins) by setting up network connected storage that rehosts files on IPFS
<lgierth>
but you can just as well come up with other concepts of making sure files are stored
<lgierth>
i.e. you could rent a server together with your friends and pin all your and your friends' data on it
<TeMPOraL>
or you could set a Twitter bot connected to a server, and make the server pin whatever IPFS URL is tweeted at the bot
<miflow[m]>
Or use a nas
<TeMPOraL>
basically; when I download something over IPFS, I rehost it temporarily (until garbage collection runs); if I pin it, I rehost it permanently (i.e. until I unpin it)
<TeMPOraL>
if I understand the mechanics correctly, this basically ensures that a) popular files will spread around the network for a while, reducing overall bandwidth usage
<TeMPOraL>
and b) less popular files will be stored only by people who have an interest in storing them
<TeMPOraL>
(by popular I mean many people requesting them in short period of time)
<brandon76>
so instead of http it's tpfs:// ?
<brandon76>
i mean ipfs
<lgierth>
yeah
<lgierth>
we're working on browser addons to make that work
<brandon76>
i just got this new laptop. it's my first linux computer and i'm not an expert with the CLI
<brandon76>
but, to connect to the ipfs as a node right now i have to install something in the CL right?
<txt-file>
depends on your linux distribution.
<txt-file>
but the answer is probably "yes"
<brandon76>
i switched from mac, 15 years of. to ubuntu
<brandon76>
so i'm somewhat familiar with the terminal on mac and ubuntu has a stange familiarity to it
<txt-file>
might be cause the sources of mac os are in UNIX and the sources if GNU/Linux are in UNIX
<txt-file>
more or less
<brandon76>
ya
<brandon76>
and then unity has a dock and menubar that looks exactly like my imac
<brandon76>
i backed their receivers' production on indiegogo
<brandon76>
they have a network of cubesats in orbit right now
<txt-file>
There website has bad accessibility.
<brandon76>
but the 'consumer' product, i think it's still called Lantern, only has shipped alpha version of the hardware and so i'm waiting to receive my unit until they feel more confident
<TeMPOraL>
the website doesn't say much about what it is :( I had to look up on Wikipedia to know more
<brandon76>
it's a datacasting network and satellite system
<brandon76>
it's like, small amounts of data (satellite is slow), but free forever.
<TeMPOraL>
interesting; is their hardware anything more special than something between RTL-SDR and HackRF?
<MatteoHirschstei>
txt-file: No, never heard about
<brandon76>
they compare it to free radio except it's digital data and the users get to decide what gets into the daily streams
<brandon76>
wanna see their AMA's on reddit? i can find those