<Kythyria[m]>
Federated messaging system where the federation protocol builds up a merkle dag of a room's history all the way back to the initial message creating it.
<rhalff>
hm ok, sounds what I'm looking for :-)
<rhalff>
Why is it not known!? :D
<Kythyria[m]>
It's only a couple of years old and doesn't have Facebook shoving it down everyone's throats.
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<Kythyria[m]>
(and from my perspective this is a matrix room, because the IRC bridge is incredibly seamless modulo bans.)
<rhalff>
All this irc history and it's going to shedders, apart from some channels who've kept the logs up.
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<rhalff>
+r
<Kythyria[m]>
(keeping everything is more expensive, but means you can scroll up basically as far as any server currently in the room has... and doing so mirrors it onto the server you're using)
<rhalff>
text ain't that resource intensive.
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<rhalff>
Prove me wrong and write me 5Mb of compressed text messages.
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<Kythyria[m]>
Simple text in a typical IRC log format is compact.
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<Kythyria[m]>
And an IRC server that not only logged everything but could do anything useful with those logs will expand that 5MB quite a lot.
<Kythyria[m]>
Particularly since it's storing the exact history of messages.
<Kythyria[m]>
*of the room
<rhalff>
It would be nice if 15 years from now I can lookup irc conversations from now, at this moment I cannot lookup irc conversations from 15 years ago and be sure the content is correct and not tempered with.
<Kythyria[m]>
Sure you can, if you kept your own logs someplace you're confident is untampered.
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<rhalff>
Sure, 50 years from now, I'll be dead, the server is dead and the logs are dead and all the conversations which took place on that channel will have been vanished.
<rhalff>
not sure if it's blockchain / immutable based though.
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<rhalff>
Think it would be cool if freenode switch to such an IRC flavour, notifying all involved.
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<rhalff>
Anyway, in this case Facebook does not have to adopt, but Freenode has to adapt, where Freenode will be the only one standing the test of time. Blockchain backed Freenode.
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<rhalff>
Massive import of all historic loggers into one blockchain, then go live.
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<substack>
what is the threat model for tampering with irc logs?
<substack>
sounds like something nobody would care to do, considering existing archives for things like usenet threads
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<kode54>
50 years from now? what are you, 60?
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<Kythyria[m]>
rhalff: Ahem. Matrix isn't IRC. At all.
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<rhalff>
substack: what you mean by 'thread model' you find it of no concern if irc logs are tampered with?
<rhalff>
s/ad/at/g
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<substack>
rhalff: why would somebody tamper with irc logs? that would be more effort than not tampering with them. where is the upside?
<LifeNT[m]>
go-ipfs has config with ipns：RepublishPeriod
<rhalff>
I think freenode is relevant, I think the logs are relevant, I think the logs have historic value, that's the main reason I would like to see it preserved permanently in a immutable manner.
<LifeNT[m]>
what is the limit？
<LifeNT[m]>
can we change it to any number?
<rhalff>
Still not sure what threat model has to do with it, seems to approach the subject from a different point of view.
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<rhalff>
Sorry to abuse the ipfs channel for this btw.
<substack>
for archives, bitrot and neglect seem like more pressing challenges than tampering
<LifeNT[m]>
can we set RecordLifetime to never expire?
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<rhalff>
LifeNT[m], you cannot, while life implies death. So life expires by definition. Firing off an autonomous process which exceeds a human life is challenging and error prone. The best thing you can do is take precautions and assure whatever it is you want to preserve past your own live time *deadlock*
<rhalff>
Instead of posting my concerns I would very much like to work together to create a proper archive. instead of posting my concerns and expecting somebody else to solve the problem.
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<LifeNT[m]>
what's the Strategy: pinned and root's diff?
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<LifeNT[m]>
does the "roots" mean only files by "ipfs pin add" will be provided?even "ipfs add" will not ?
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<PorcoRosso70>
anybody know when public filecoin mining will begin?
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<N1kbro>
hi
<N1kbro>
i am new to ipfs
<N1kbro>
looking forward to contribute in this project
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<DuClare>
what are you going to contribute?
<DuClare>
...
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<cws>
I can't code my way out of a paper bag but I love to tell people about IPFS.
<cws>
Got that going for ya.
<DuClare>
Tell me about it!
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<cws>
I remember shilling IPFS when I first saw the concept video.
<cws>
Mostly imageboard stuff, haha.
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<npackd>
I have a couple of questions about IPFS. What would be the easiest and what would the best way to use IPFS in a software package manager?
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<ntninja>
npackd: If you have an existing package manager, the easiest way to use IPFS would likely be to add your repository(s) to IPFS and serve them over the HTTP Gateway
<npackd>
How about binaries?
<ntninja>
Regarding the “best” way: It really depends on your use-case, etc.
<npackd>
Will they still be there even if nobody hosts them, but ipfs.io
<npackd>
?
<Kythyria[m]>
Somebody has to seed.
<Kythyria[m]>
It doesn't conjure storage out of thin air.
<ntninja>
Only for a limited time, until ipfs.io clears their repository/cache
<npackd>
It seems, I have to host a VM with an IPFS server then, right?
<ntninja>
Yes
<npackd>
But will it be better than hosting an HTTP server in the same VM?
<ntninja>
Your content stays around for a while, even if your server is not running
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<ntninja>
So you dońt need to have 100 percent uptime for instance
<lemmi>
npackd: if you want guarantees, you need to host yourself
<lemmi>
or find someone that will do it for you
<npackd>
Can the users of the package manager client contribute to the IPFS network if they are behind a firewall?
<lemmi>
there is absolutely no way around that
<lemmi>
yes they can, but please make them aware you are using their bandwidth
<npackd>
Just to make it clear: the full functionality of IPFS can be accessed via HTTP. Is this right?
<ntninja>
No, users can only download (and possibly upload) stuff through the HTTP gateways
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<ntninja>
They will not seed content when using an HTTP Gateway for instance
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<ntninja>
If they are running an IPFS node they will be able to access it's HTTP API however
<lemmi>
npackd: http is not ipfs. you can access content over http to ipfs bridge, but you can not participate in the p2p network
<npackd>
OK. This is clear now.
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<npackd>
Thank you. Bye.
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<jaboja>
How could I do if IPFS tells me repo requires migration (update from 0.3.x to 0.4.x) but I don't want to use the migration tool as browser warns me about a virus in it?
<jaboja>
May I just delete something to start with a clear installation?
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