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<shoku> back
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<Mutter> Can someone explain how IPFS is different from i2P for example? What would be my incentive to use one or the other?
<cyberwolf[m]> and is not suitable for anonymous distribution of content.
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<cyberwolf[m]> IPFS for sharing
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<q6wgrkd8tr9o49j8> IPFS is a "storage solution" it's in the name, i2p is peer2peer "network"
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<cyberwolf[m]> Convenient application of IPFS - this is for distributing pictures in blogs and on third-party forums.
<cyberwolf[m]> But you have to understand that IPFS is completely transparent and you can easily find out who downloads and distributes what content (just like Torrent).
<cyberwolf[m]> in I2P you can pick up Tahoe-LAFS
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<cyberwolf[m]> The client himself encrypts files before downloading and decrypts after downloading.
<cyberwolf[m]> Distributed redundant encrypted (end-to-end) file storage where storage nodes store pieces of files without knowing their contents. The client himself encrypts files before downloading and decrypts after downloading.
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<q6wgrkd8tr9o49j8> last i checked Tahoe only had tor support
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<shoku> Is there a way to know how many ipfs nodes run in the world (rough order of magnitude)?
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<r0kk3rz> not really
<r0kk3rz> bootstrap node load is a fair guestimate
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<shoku> I have no idea how to perform that (it's not in go-ipfs, is it?). what's the current guestimate?
<r0kk3rz> no you cant really tell from a local node, only how many peers you can see directly
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<Swedneck> is it possible to set things up so i can add screenshots to ipfs and use my domain to make the ipfs.io link shorter?
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<Swedneck> so like instead of it being ipfs.io/ipfs/Qmasd09jh400jh8ADh9/2018_05_13.png it's screenshots.mydomain.com/2018_05_13.png
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> our networks conference now live streaming over ipfd on ournetworks.ca :)
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<lidel> https://ournetworks.ca/livestream/ → IPFS → i am so glad cross-origin xhrs work in our browser companion extension and I now use my local node to watch :))
<Swedneck> just me or is the sound a bit low?
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<lidel> a bit, but i'm in headphones
<Swedneck> it's really low for me actually, other sounds almost make me deaf when i turn volume up to hear the stream
<darkdrgn2k[m]> Thanks for the feedback...on it!
<r0kk3rz> magic!
<darkdrgn2k[m]> soooo the throw mike is a fail :/
<darkdrgn2k[m]> let me know if the adio is any better
<Swedneck> nope, still really quiet
<lemmi> don't know. it's loud enough for me
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<lemmi> and i rather have a quieter stream than a overdriven one
<makeworld[m]> It's quiet, but ok. Awesome to see ipfs live streaming being put to a real public use for the first time,
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<lemmi> but the video is lacking behind the sound
<r0kk3rz> darkdrgn2k[m]: do you have a repo for this magic?
<Swedneck> woah that went loud
<lidel> :D
<Swedneck> the music is way louder than the speech was
<lidel> lemmi, if you press F5 and start a new stream audio is ok again
<lemmi> k
<darkdrgn2k[m]> Soo audio should be more synced now :P
<lemmi> now it's too quiet and overdriven :)
<darkdrgn2k[m]> yeh he was talking to close to the mic :(
<darkdrgn2k[m]> who woul dhave though the problems would not be IPFS but the mixer
<darkdrgn2k[m]> well got ideas how to solve the buzz and sync the audio.. but we may have to wait till lunch break to do that
<r0kk3rz> conference audio is always the hardest :)
<darkdrgn2k[m]> its cuase of the hack we had to do to make this work...
<darkdrgn2k[m]> i dont think 15 mins will be enough to cover all the probs in my talk :P
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> \o/ buzz is gone and syn cis better
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<Swedneck> when i get a pc up and running as a server, do you think it'll be possible for me to automatically pin thing on it when i pin it on my local machine?
<lidel> Swedneck, yes: https://cluster.ipfs.io
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<Swedneck> hell yes
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<Swedneck> am i supposed to set $GOPATH in my shell? or did go just screw up
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<Swedneck> rip
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<Swedneck> hmm, some friends are having issues joining this room
<Swedneck> riot just says it's not available
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<shoku> You know, I just realized one thing about why IPFS links feel shady by nature
<shoku> It's because in the regular link based paradigm, you always see a domain name and you can tell the server
<shoku> So if someone puts something shady there, it's their fault
<shoku> On IPFS, if I click a shady link, well it's a lot less clear who's liable. It feels like it's me for clicking a link, which is a lot scarier than the regular links
<shoku> So I can see this being a problem for people using IPFS for every day stuff
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<shoku> Have people here been thinking about that?
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<Swedneck> you don't have to use gateway links
<Swedneck> you can use your own domain for links, or even just for ipns which makes the url less scary
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<shoku> Swedneck how would that work? any examples out there?
<Swedneck> i have that set up with my website ipfs.swedneck.xyz
<Swedneck> it basically just redirects to ipfs.io/ipfs/my_website_hash if i understand it correctly
<Swedneck> for ipns you add a txt record with "dnslink=/ipns/peer_id" somewhere on your domain
<Swedneck> actually no, to make ipfs.io/ipns/test.mydomain.com resolve to $hash, you put `dnslink=/ipfs/$hash` in the txt record
<Swedneck> however the previous example should also work i think, it'd just resolve to another ipns, which resolves to something else
<shoku> ah
<shoku> wait so you need ipns in the middle?
<shoku> dns -> ipns -> ipfs hash?
<Swedneck> no, i'm just kinda shit at explaining lol
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<Swedneck> if you put `dnslink=/ipfs/something` in _dnslink.mydomain.com, then ipfs.io/ipns/mydomain.com will resolve to "/ipfs/something"
<Swedneck> if you then also put a cname record at mydomain.com that points to ipfs.io, visiting mydomain.com will get data from ipfs.io/ipfs/something
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<Swedneck> ..does that make any sense?
<shoku> I think so
<shoku> A tutorial / example somewhere would help make it click
<shoku> from what I'm following here, there's 2 things to do
<shoku> 1) setup an ipns entry for "mydomain.com"
<shoku> but it looks like the ipfs link there would be static?
<shoku> 2) the cname setup for my domain
<shoku> but in your example, it's talking about an ipfs link, not ipns
<Swedneck> yeah if you want something that can change, use ipns
<Swedneck> though beware that ipns is sloooooooooooooow
<shoku> Are ipfs and ipns links interchangeable?
<shoku> eg the path is the same except for the ipfs/ipns part
<Swedneck> not sure what you mean
<shoku> ipfs.io/ipfs/something & ipfs.io/ipns/something
<shoku> meaning if I do a test setup with ipfs, I could change it to ipns easily
<Swedneck> well ipfs just points to a hash of a file or folder
<Swedneck> ipns is like an alias for ipfs
<shoku> right
<shoku> my understanding is ipns is just a redirect to an ipfs hash
<shoku> basically a permalink
<Swedneck> for example this is the ipns to my website QmbERm9f7ynAfycUYXiHLiD2rRHGDi1KnRFN8eQBPR4SJc
<Swedneck> right now it points to QmVj5CAYMQLqnsQujFHmNUQ9pruS5DcVPryGDz8MnQfcvS
<shoku> gotcha
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<shoku> I'm surprised people need to make ipns links by hand
<shoku> like, if I was to put a text file on ipfs, it'd make so much more sense to just use ipns
<shoku> and to have the latest version referred to that way
<Swedneck> why
<shoku> I mean if I have a text file I'm working on
<Swedneck> ah i kinda see what you mean
<shoku> and I keep saving it
<shoku> I wanna have one link for it
<shoku> say I work on a book with a friend
<shoku> I can't keep sending them the new hash all the time
<Swedneck> you don't have to
<Swedneck> you can send them the ipns, update it, and tell them it's updated
<Swedneck> but again, right now ipns is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
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<shoku> yeah but what I'm saying is that ipns isn't the default
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<shoku> I don't think ipns is as simple as "ipns add 1.txt" and whenever I update it, the new version is available?
<Swedneck> i feel like that'd get out of hand quickly, but maybe not
<Swedneck> it's like updating a dns record
<Swedneck> it has to propagate
<shoku> right
<shoku> fair. less like a permalink and more like a dns record. got it
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<r0kk3rz> MFS probably takes care of that kind of thing
<shoku> whats that?
<Swedneck> to update an ipns key/hash/whatever, you run `ipfs name publish --key=$some_key $ipfs_hash`
<Swedneck> you can omit --key and just publish to your peer id
<shoku> Got it
<shoku> Thx
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<darkdrgn2k[m]> if anyone missed a talk from ournetworks.ca and cant wait for the post-processing you can watch the raw hourly footage on IPFS at http://live.mesh.world/dvr
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