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<ipfs-stackbot> New IPFS question on StackOverflow: How Do I Add an External IP Address for an IPFS Client - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66684471/how-do-i-add-an-external-ip-address-for-an-ipfs-client
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<dingir_> hi
<dingir_> why does it say that ipfs is not yet secure?
<dingir_> no tls?
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<dingir_> why does the instructions say "not yet secure"?
<ZerXes> where does it say that?
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<dingir_> ZerXes:
<dingir_> see the ipfs cat /ipfs/<HASH>/readme part
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> okay happens wuth the other folder too now
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<ipfsbot> @zacharywhitley posted in IPFS_API multi address or url? - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/ipfs-api-multi-address-or-url/10531/1
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<M0x76[m]> <dingir_ "see the ipfs cat /ipfs/<HASH>/re"> These: https://bafybeia6po64b6tfqq73lckadrhpihg2oubaxgqaoushquhcek46y3zumm.ipfs.dweb.link/security-notes are the security notes it is referring to
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<dingir_> M0x76[m] is it secure or not? what is the main stable version?
<dingir_> i downloaded 0.8
<dingir_> this is the alpha not proven secure version?
<dingir_> hrm
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<M0x76[m]> It's not proven to be entirely secure but likely is, any files you share are public anyways
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<dingir_> when will the code be secured?
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<dingir_> how many people use ipfs? what kind of stuff is being shared? is there a place to search?
<dingir_> how to knoe i want to download that cat image
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<dingir_> how do people browse the network? its really just like bittorrent but with included file signature?
<dingir_> what does it bring more
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<M0x76[m]> <dingir_ "how many people use ipfs? what k"> I've only recently started to play with IPFS but I'm currently using it for example for this: https://github.com/RubenKelevra/pacman.store
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<eleitl[m]> ipfs daemon --enable-namesys-pubsub --enable-gc --enable-pubsub-experiment and setting Pubsub-Router to gossipsub is still de rigeur for 0.8.0?
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<Discordian[m]> Yeah AFAIK
<eleitl[m]> Thanks.
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<eleitl[m]> I don't quite understand how ipfs filestore works in terms of keeping .ipfs on a smaller SSD while keeping the data pinned on a larger HDD. Presumably, I should use flatfs and not badgerd if my RAM is tight, right? How much storage will I need in ~/.ipfs when using ipfs add --nocopy?
<eleitl[m]> E.g. my SSD is 256 GB, HDD is 2 TB. Will I run into space issues if my ~/.ipfs is on the SSD?
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<Discordian[m]> I don't think so, not with filestore
<Discordian[m]> I didn't notice any obvious space increase when using nocopy
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<eleitl[m]> Thanks -- there has to be some overhead for linking the blocks in the files. But it's probably not very large.
<Discordian[m]> Yeah for sure, 256GB should allow for A LOT of entries though, I'd imagine
<Discordian[m]> And anytime, happy to help 🙂
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<Discordian[m]> <RomeSilvanus[m] "okay happens wuth the other fold"> Odd, is this after there's activity in the folder? Like added/removed/renamed/updated files/directories?
<RomeSilvanus[m]> No, didnt update anything
<Discordian[m]> Even stranger, I've been running over here too on my wiki, and it's just chill
<RomeSilvanus[m]> The only thins running on it is write access by dockerized applications such as http, ftp, and other servers
<RomeSilvanus[m]> READ ACCESS
<Discordian[m]> Haha I figured you meant read
<Discordian[m]> Maybe I'll add every fsnotify trigger to the verbose output too
<Discordian[m]> Because if nothing changes, it should do literally nothing after adding
<Discordian[m]> It just waits on fsnotify
<RomeSilvanus[m]> But it dies while adding
<Discordian[m]> Ah, I see what you mean
<Discordian[m]> What error?
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Sometimes even before it starts adding
<RomeSilvanus[m]> The same I sent before
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Index out of whatwasitcalled
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Cant find it right now
<Discordian[m]> Oooh
<Discordian[m]> The IPNS error, kk, I'll fix that bug today
<RomeSilvanus[m]> This
<Discordian[m]> Idk why it's happening for you, but I'll make it explain why (and not crash)
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Hmmm
<Discordian[m]> It's expecting something like `/ipfs/CID` but it might be getting just `CID` or something different (like an empty string).
<Discordian[m]> Rn it doesn't handle that situation, and just crashes
<RomeSilvanus[m]> SInce I run ipfs on my headless server I have the 5001 port for the web interface rerouted to my local machine over ssh
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Could it be that this interferes with your application in reaching ipfs?
<Discordian[m]> Uhm, it looks on 127.0.0.1:5001, but you can change it via the `EndPoint` field.
<Discordian[m]> It might be that simple, just not reaching the daemon
<Discordian[m]> I should make it explicity check if it can connect before it does anything
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Well, I certainly would like to access the web interface without having to expose it on the server.
<Discordian[m]> It should be making keys before that though, I wonder if it's failing silently
<RomeSilvanus[m]> No idea if ssh takes sole ownership of that port and blocks it for other applications though
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<Discordian[m]> Could try a simple curl
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> Oh, right !
<Discordian[m]> `curl -X POST "http://127.0.0.1:5001/api/v0/version`
<Discordian[m]> Should do it
<Discordian[m]> * `curl -X POST "http://127.0.0.1:5001/api/v0/version"`
<Discordian[m]> Should do it
<RomeSilvanus[m]> > rome@IWIFTP:~$ curl -X POST "http://127.0.0.1:5001/api/v0/version"
<RomeSilvanus[m]> > {"Version":"0.8.0","Commit":"","Repo":"11","System":"amd64/linux","Golang":"go1.15.8"}
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Looks good
<Discordian[m]> Alright, at least we know that isn't the issue
<Discordian[m]> I should update to v0.8.0, see if there's any differences in the outputs 🤔. I opened issues to do with these things now though
<Discordian[m]> * I should update to v0.8.0, see if there's any differences in the outputs 🤔. I opened issues to do with these things now though for ipfs-sync
<RomeSilvanus[m]> This is what happend just now
<Discordian[m]> Alright, so it finished hashing, tried to update IPNS, exploded
<Discordian[m]> Surprised it took 3s to get from loading config, to hashing
<Discordian[m]> But maybe it was loading db or something
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> I run some disk heavy stuff in another tty so thats probably why
<Discordian[m]> That's literally the last step, so once we get that going, I'm feeling positive you'll be rolling
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<Discordian[m]> Oh I got an idea, can you resolve the IPNS key it's trying to get via the HTTP API and show me the output?
<swedneck> hey can y'all sanity check me real quick: are there any glaring problems with encrypting the CID of an IPFS object instead of encrypting the actual object before adding?
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> Where does it print that key?
<Discordian[m]> <swedneck "hey can y'all sanity check me re"> The data itself for the object won't be encrypted, so won't that result in a possible data leak?
<swedneck> the one i can think of is that you could just sniff the network for you announcing the CID of the object
<Discordian[m]> <RomeSilvanus[m] "Where does it print that key?"> `ipfs key list -l`
<swedneck> i feel like that would be fine for anything low-stakes though, e.g. a video without sensitive data
<swedneck> like stuff behind a paywall on a blockchain
<Discordian[m]> Yeah it's unlikely someone would figure out what data you're pointing to, unless extremely determined
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> 😫
<Discordian[m]> Hmm `ipfs name resolve <IPNS>` should do it
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Thats what I tried
<Discordian[m]> You're trying with the `k` key output, right?
<Discordian[m]> It need the actual IPNS key, not the ID
<Discordian[m]> A resolution failure though, might explain it
<Discordian[m]> * A resolution failure though, might explain the bug
<RomeSilvanus[m]> I copied that one ipfs key list -l gave me
<Discordian[m]> Interesting, yeah I'll handle that situation. If it gets no output, then re-publish.
<Discordian[m]> Thanks for the feedback
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> k51qzi5uqu5djm0m3dd4sq8numd4zjg3ksytn8u6872cjp3buihp4jhjejghvc ipfs-sync.iwiftp-photos
<RomeSilvanus[m]> If thats the right key
<Discordian[m]> Yeah it should take `ipfs name resolve k51qzi5uqu5djm0m3dd4sq8numd4zjg3ksytn8u6872cjp3buihp4jhjejghvc` but I'm thinking maybe an initial publish didn't happen for whatever reason, so it's crashing when it tries to resolve it. I'll make it re-publish instead of crashing.
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Hm
<RomeSilvanus[m]> In the web interface I can see the files though
<Discordian[m]> Yeah, it's getting to MFS fine, but the IPNS key didn't get published
<Discordian[m]> I'll see if I can fix that up quick now.
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> At least it seems to not be a general ipfs problem because my other added stuff can resolve ( added with ipfs add)
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<Discordian[m]> Yeah definitely an issue with ipfs-sync and initial publish there
<Discordian[m]> I have a rel made up
<Discordian[m]> v0.3.2, contains a fix if IPNS doesn't resolve, instead of crashing, it'll republish
<RomeSilvanus[m]> What's the reason for the IDs loking different?
<RomeSilvanus[m]> ipfs-sync: k51qzi5uqu5dkchok3...
<RomeSilvanus[m]> ipfs add: k2k4r8k83ymmh7...
<RomeSilvanus[m]> ipfs sync is also longer
<Discordian[m]> Must be looking at different keys I suppose
<Discordian[m]> ipfs-sync just grabs the output of `ipfs key list -l`
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Hm okay
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<Discordian[m]> I hope this version resolves your issue completely
<Discordian[m]> This is the issue BTW: https://github.com/TheDiscordian/ipfs-sync/issues/19
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Trying it now
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Well it got that far at least
<Discordian[m]> Oooh looking goood
<Discordian[m]> That's exactly what I thought was happening, caught perfectly
<Discordian[m]> The emptyness after the error is the hash, it got no hash back
<Discordian[m]> BTW I find publishing usually takes between 30-300s, kinda random.
<ipfsbot> @Akita posted in 2021 Roadmap for IPFS: Is this still a thing? - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/2021-roadmap-for-ipfs-is-this-still-a-thing/10534/1
<Discordian[m]> Ayy
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Doesnt load in ipfs.io though but maybe that take some more time
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Should there be any additional output after the loaded message?
<Discordian[m]> Nope, it just chills until it sees something change
<Discordian[m]> It does almost nothing while idle
<Discordian[m]> By default every 10s it'll check if anything is out of sync, and re-sync changes.
<Discordian[m]> But it doesn't need to do a full scan for that
<Discordian[m]> Ayy I resolved your IPNS over here!
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Let me try making a file in there then
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Now you can look at random animal pictures
<RomeSilvanus[m]> yaaaay
<Discordian[m]> Lmfao yay!
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Nice works
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Though would it be possible to actually add the subfolder name between the //? just so its easier to browser and get the ids and everything of what it actually stored?
<Discordian[m]> Well you can still have subdirs
<RomeSilvanus[m]> * Well if I add folders like this
<RomeSilvanus[m]> > "Dirs": [{"ID":"iwiftp-photos", "Dir":"/home/rome/google-drive/Photos", "Nocopy": true}],
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Then it throws everything inside into the root
<Discordian[m]> Hmm so you basically want to sync directories individually, but have a share link for all the directories together?
<Discordian[m]> Honestly, it might be easier to just make a simple `index.html` directory, that links to the other directories
<Discordian[m]> That's pretty much what I do here: http://portal.thedisco.zone
<RomeSilvanus[m]> I'm confused. I though this wouldn't make a difference because it's basically making a virtual index thing anyway?
<Discordian[m]> Yeah but really all it does is take the root directory, and sync everything that's inside of it, including subdirs. So really I figured most users would just make a hierarchy themselves on disk, and just sync that.
<Discordian[m]> I might be able to add some sort of mapping feature to keep specific links in sync too
<Discordian[m]> Which would allow you to have basically a symlink dir, which links to your other syncs.
<Discordian[m]> Like for example, if you synced all of `/home/rome/google-drive/`, then you could access Photos with IPNSKey/Photos
<Discordian[m]> But I see why that wouldn't be exactly feasible in your scenario. Makes me wonder if you could build the tree you want using symlinks, and how filestore would process that.
<Discordian[m]> I think filestore is happy with symlinks
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> I just found it a weird thing to do tho throw eveything together
<Discordian[m]> It does replicate, literally all that's lost is the root directory's name
<RomeSilvanus[m]> It makes it kinda hard to find stuff if you just look at it and have a lot of files and folders
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> As I said, I just found it weird to leave it out. But I really don't know the technical though behind it and just wanted to ask about it.
<Discordian[m]> If you add `test/folder1` and `test/folder2` it does exactly what you show in logically expected 🤔
<RomeSilvanus[m]> I doesnt for me
<RomeSilvanus[m]> It takes whats in these dirs and throw it into the root
<RomeSilvanus[m]> * It takes whats in these dirs and throws it into the root
<Discordian[m]> Can you show the output of `ipfs files ls /ipfs-sync/` and your config?
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> As soon as my tty stops lagging
<Discordian[m]> Oh I forgot, it straight up uses the root dir name I guess. Forgot about that 🤔.
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<Discordian[m]> So even that should be kept
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<Discordian[m]> AH!
<Discordian[m]> Rome Silvanus: figured it out
<Discordian[m]> You need a trailing slash on the dir
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<Discordian[m]> I'm going to explicitly check for that and dump an error
<Discordian[m]> Sorry about that!
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Yeah, had it like this
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<Discordian[m]> Damn trailing `/`, I knew that'd bite me
<RomeSilvanus[m]> These bugged me too when I wrote one of my 1200 line bash scripts for things that could be accomplished in 5 lines of python if I cared enough to learn it
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<Discordian[m]> Lmao, I use Python instead of bash scripts to avoid the terrifying monstrosities they become ... usually
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> But I'm lazy and bash is actually more readable to me since I see step for step what it's doing
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Wouldn't it be easier to just auto add the /
<Discordian[m]> Haha fair
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> Check if the dir exists and it's actually a dir wnd then add the / if its missing
<RomeSilvanus[m]> * Check if the dir exists and it's actually a dir and then add the / if its missing
<Discordian[m]> Oh yeah, why not. Good idea
<Discordian[m]> Updated the issue
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> I try to automate whatever in my scripts because there's really no reason to have the user run 20 commands if you can just automate them. Unless they're specific commands that are always different, but most of the time you can also script around these.
<RomeSilvanus[m]> I saw a lot of code project that I wanted to try out which did that, which just turned me off instantly because I don't want to spend 15 minute just doing stuff before I can even attempt to start the application.
<RomeSilvanus[m]> * I try to automate whatever in my scripts because there's really no reason to have the user run 20 commands if you can just automate them. Unless they're specific commands that are always different, but most of the time you can also script around these.
<RomeSilvanus[m]> I saw a lot of code project that I wanted to try out which did that, which just turned me off instantly because I don't want to spend 15 minutes just doing stuff before I can even attempt to start the application.
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<Discordian[m]> Yeah the goal of ipfs-sync is to be simple for the v1.0.0 release. It's almost there, but you certainly helped smooth out a lot of bumps, thanks fr that.
<Discordian[m]> I want people to be able to just run it, load a GUI, add their Dir, done
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Sure thing!
<Discordian[m]> Gonna have a little CLI tool too I think, so you can get info/add dirs via that
<RomeSilvanus[m]> It would be cool if it could actually just print live stats or some kind of changing output (without advancing the terminal). So you know it's not hanging.
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Or just some kind of web interface
<Discordian[m]> Yeah, it's usually run in systemd as a user service, but an HTTP API will be put on it, so I figure most people will check for signs of life through that
<Discordian[m]> Yeah HTTP API will be added, then WebUI/CLI interface
<Discordian[m]> They'll use the HTTP API
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Nice
<RomeSilvanus[m]> Yeah thats what I mean. You run it as daemon and then you do something like ipfs-sync stats or log and it just connects to it and shows you what it's doing.
<Discordian[m]> Oh yeah, definitely on the schedule for v1
<RomeSilvanus[m]> ❤️ 🐴
<RomeSilvanus[m]> me
<Discordian[m]> Haha lovehorse?
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<RomeSilvanus[m]> Explaining this would get complicated so lets leave it at this x3
<Discordian[m]> Hahaha 👍️
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<dingir_> M0x76[m]  you want to join and contribute bandwidth and disk space, feel free to do so. The repo-size is about 70 GB. 
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<dingir_> what does the repo contain?
<dingir_> hrm
<dingir_> so basically is asking to duplicate everything? not sure i get the point
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<ipfsbot> confus @con-f-use posted in Autopinning to help out the network - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/autopinning-to-help-out-the-network/10538/1
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