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<buzzmarshall>
not sure but i would quess some S905 derivative
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<emOne_>
hi
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<buzzmarshall>
hi ther
<buzzmarshall>
don't mind me if i pop back and forth... im just trying to fix up a complile here i did for some s912's on LE's master
<buzzmarshall>
works not bad but i'm fixing some python errors
<emOne_>
very nice buzz
<emOne_>
if all else fails whack it with a spanner
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
actually runs not to bad all things considered
<buzzmarshall>
ive been streaming the midway movie without any issues
<buzzmarshall>
just a 1080 but matrix hasn't acted up
<buzzmarshall>
youtube worked as well
<emOne_>
awesome
<buzzmarshall>
but redbull and few other plugins started throwing a few python errors
<emOne_>
are you trying out kodi 19?
<buzzmarshall>
mostly just stuff tho thats been renamed and moved around in python3
<buzzmarshall>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
the LE masters are based around it
<emOne_>
awesome
<emOne_>
I like the fact that kodi is moving over to python3
<buzzmarshall>
actually for older cheap s912 it works pretty good
<buzzmarshall>
yes me to
<emOne_>
a side effect is that old and unmentioned apps will disapear
<buzzmarshall>
its been overdue now for a while and its nice to see LE and its mainstream push kinda happen together
<emOne_>
unmaintained
<emOne_>
yes
<emOne_>
the app engine needs to be updated so badly
<emOne_>
I hope they will add more stuff in the future
<buzzmarshall>
i can see it opening a few more doors
<buzzmarshall>
im just glad as it gives me a good reason to improvment my python skills
<emOne_>
is python 3 a big difference to python 2?
<emOne_>
2.7?
<buzzmarshall>
i like python but was late starting to use it
<emOne_>
i like it too. The syntax is pretty simple
<buzzmarshall>
to be honest im not well enough versed to actually point out the real diffs other then being aware of some things being renamed or dropped
<emOne_>
and it reminds me of bash
<buzzmarshall>
me too
<buzzmarshall>
i like bash as its been a core linux thing for so long
<buzzmarshall>
python i kinda learned going backwards as i just took on what i needed to get thro whatever i was working on
<buzzmarshall>
but now with 3 i want to spend more time doing it the right way
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
kodi making the move is a good reason to do that
<buzzmarshall>
actually most of the languages seem to be a lot alike in concepts its things like terminology that i get lost with at times
<buzzmarshall>
its hard to learn things when you don't have the right terminology to follow things but with the internet and some books one can hack their way thru
<buzzmarshall>
i like assembly but not many use that anymore... things like jumps and branchs and workign at the stack level
<buzzmarshall>
just its slow by todays standards
<buzzmarshall>
but it makes extremely efficient code if compiled properly
<emOne_>
assembly is like matrix code
<buzzmarshall>
ya one level about microcode or binary
<emOne_>
what is microcode?
<emOne_>
the same as binary?
<buzzmarshall>
so your moving stuff around the old hard way but for old farts like me it makes sence as your pretty much at hardware level
<buzzmarshall>
binary is sometimes called that
<buzzmarshall>
old processors used to have the masked in code for the opset and would sometimes reference it as that
<buzzmarshall>
even tho everything is much smaller and denser and wider bus and registers these days
<buzzmarshall>
that binary parts not changed
<buzzmarshall>
all thats really changed is the programming langauges that try and isolate the programmer away from having to deal with things that low
<emOne_>
which is ofc good and bad
<emOne_>
there are advantages and disadvantages to that I am sure
<buzzmarshall>
yea for sure
<emOne_>
but it is pretty safe to say that low level coding is magic
<buzzmarshall>
higher languages like c or c++ take care of alot so you don't need to worry about the low stuff
<emOne_>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
things like object oriented are possible
<emOne_>
and by todays standards c++ is probably considered pretty low level heh
<buzzmarshall>
so objects add a abstraction layer that really help speed up development time
<buzzmarshall>
actually high level
<buzzmarshall>
assembly would be low level as its one step above machine code
<emOne_>
yes
<buzzmarshall>
the hardware basically runs on bits as they see things as high/low on/off
<buzzmarshall>
assembly mostly uses hex
<emOne_>
the generation today codes a lot of apps in html and java script
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<emOne_>
I forget the framework
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<emOne_>
but these "apps" are bundled with a full version of chrome
<buzzmarshall>
theres tons now adays
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<emOne_>
maybe some like using these because they are cross platform
<emOne_>
but it is quite insane
<buzzmarshall>
schools these days pretty much just teach what they know will get their grads actual jobs
<buzzmarshall>
most of the normal type of programmer jobs are at the higher level
<buzzmarshall>
these days not many play down here
<emOne_>
Electron is the framework I am thinking of
<buzzmarshall>
cept maybe embedded programers or guys writing drivers
<emOne_>
buzzmarshall: are there any balloons down here?
<emOne_>
and do they float?
<buzzmarshall>
lol
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<emOne_>
I think bundling full instances of chrome with your "app" is quite insane
<buzzmarshall>
grab some atmel avrs and use atmels avr studio
<buzzmarshall>
its a great way to see how the hardware to code transition takes place
<emOne_>
I can only imagine
<buzzmarshall>
8 bit isnt to bad to learn
<emOne_>
it must be quite hard to wrap your head around that if you weren't there from the beginning of atmel
<buzzmarshall>
from there everything just gets wider till ya hit the 64 bit width
<emOne_>
heh
<buzzmarshall>
the their free studio is a great tool to help one visualize whats going on
<emOne_>
when you dumped your first smart card did you do that with a card reader?
<buzzmarshall>
atmel was a great company for anyone wanting to learn assembly as everythign was free
<emOne_>
^
<emOne_>
and was the atmel chip happy to just spit out the dump?
<buzzmarshall>
card reader is just a serial interface using the iso 7618 protocol
<buzzmarshall>
basically its just bit banging in a half duplex mode
<buzzmarshall>
its a standard all card basically use to communicate over
<buzzmarshall>
after that its stuff we probably shouldn't be talking about here
<emOne_>
but they are not communicating the contents of the card/rom
<emOne_>
heh ok
<buzzmarshall>
lets just say its the only way the card itself is designed to exchange data over
<emOne_>
right. but it is also only the data that you are designed to see
<emOne_>
and not the actual code
<buzzmarshall>
so theres established things that it will chat about which are legit but anything after that involve exploits to expose
<buzzmarshall>
that or disection
<buzzmarshall>
hence the microscope
<buzzmarshall>
anyway subject change
<buzzmarshall>
:)
<emOne_>
yes
<emOne_>
lets talk about kodi and LE :)
<buzzmarshall>
back in a couple of minutes... i need to ssh into this box and check its log to see whats acting up
<buzzmarshall>
be right back
<emOne_>
go go
* emOne_
thinks that kodi is in need of a new app engine
<emOne_>
I will be typing my ideas about kodi
<emOne_>
the "app engine" as I like to call it has served its purpose well but there are some things missing
<emOne_>
kodi needs to be cross platform
<emOne_>
it needs to do things the same on every platform
<emOne_>
there has to be a way to make more sophisticated apps that are cross platform
<emOne_>
at the moment it feels like you are pretty much confined to kodis app engine or framework
<emOne_>
the apps will only look as good as the skin
<emOne_>
most apps are basically just a menu list
<emOne_>
I think what we need is some sort of SDK so apps can be designed, drawn and animated
<emOne_>
3D needs to be included
<emOne_>
I think the best example would be if you were to compare the youtube app on android and kodi
<emOne_>
and you also have to take into account that kodi was about a decade ahead of everything else
<emOne_>
but now other things have caught up
<buzzmarshall>
Linux version 5.3.0 (buzz@quad28) (gcc version 8.3.0 (GNU Toolchain for the A-profile Architecture 8.3-2019.03
<buzzmarshall>
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'urlparse'
<buzzmarshall>
theres the bugger
<buzzmarshall>
i got another branch im working on as well thats based on chewitts amlogic-master wich is a newer kernel
<buzzmarshall>
just want to clean up some of the python errors so i will correct the plugins here locally then move up to his and stay playing there
<buzzmarshall>
so far most of the errors im running into with 19 (matrix) are url related
<buzzmarshall>
so its just a matter of some of the existing plug in writes to drag their code up to python 3
<buzzmarshall>
eventually think things will end up much better but its gonna take time and with the added twist of working better on some hardware then others
<buzzmarshall>
as powerful as these current round of SoC's are there main weekness is just in the lack of real support from the makers in the linux arena
<buzzmarshall>
so you'll probably see some boards and devices come up to speed quicker then others
<buzzmarshall>
which is kinda currenlty happening
<buzzmarshall>
things tho like 3d are probably a bit still off till some better gpu/video starts to happen
<buzzmarshall>
personally i don't really care about the boxes anymore as i can do with what i already got whatever i need
<buzzmarshall>
but the growth in the sbc area has my interest
<buzzmarshall>
i can see a ton of things in the domain of small controllers in the sbc area
<buzzmarshall>
actually that was the only reason i actually got the rockpro64 as i wanted to develope a decent ide to work with it as i use it to control this big 4 color printer i built
<emOne_>
rockpro64 is really nice. I was actually considering getting one
<buzzmarshall>
the normal atmels and other crappy boards just cant' handle that many colors and keep a decent resolution
<emOne_>
got any photos of that printr?
<buzzmarshall>
not handy but i will make it a point to take a couple for ya maybe tomorrow
<emOne_>
when xbmc came out it ran very smoothly as far as I can remember
<emOne_>
but it also pushed the hardware as much as possible
<buzzmarshall>
its kinda in peices while im building heavier motor drivers
<emOne_>
I am pretty curious as to what it looks like
<emOne_>
it sounds pretty cool
<buzzmarshall>
the original xbmp on the old xbox which was a pIII 700 was really good
<buzzmarshall>
i used to mod that with xenium's and then doubled the memory and in one case bumped up the processor as well
<buzzmarshall>
the processor upgrade wasn't worth all the hassel and a real pain without the right equipment
<buzzmarshall>
thats how i justified bying my 1st bga machine
<emOne_>
project gotham <3
<buzzmarshall>
ms thoght they were being smart by using memory chips from samsung not easily available in the distro chains
<buzzmarshall>
then i found some old ati cards that were agp that had the right chips and used to pull them from the video cards and then populate the vacant smd pads on the xbox
<buzzmarshall>
not sure why ms never actually added them in the 1st place
<emOne_>
what did that do?
<emOne_>
adding the ati chips I mean
<buzzmarshall>
the extra memory was nice but you needed to hack the bios on the box to make it reckgonize it
<buzzmarshall>
the xbox's ram chips were a samsung model of ram that was almost imposible to find
<emOne_>
I can't remember the name of the amazing skin that xbmc once came with .. I think it was project gotham or something but I could be completely wrong here
<buzzmarshall>
then one day when i was scraping abunch of puters i realized there was a ati agp card that had the exact model of chips
<emOne_>
oh wow
<buzzmarshall>
ya there were a few cool things back then
<buzzmarshall>
i still got one here with a 4 line lcd display on the front
<emOne_>
i think the extra smd pads were for the sega arcade board that used a modified xbox motherboard
<buzzmarshall>
put a big drive in it (well big for back then)
<buzzmarshall>
the roms run great in that thing
<emOne_>
^
<buzzmarshall>
sometimes i still like to puff a dube and sit and play the old games
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
contra
<buzzmarshall>
haha
<emOne_>
modifying the xbox is pretty insane
<emOne_>
a big shame that there is still no proper emulator for the xbox
<emOne_>
especially since it was basically a pc
<buzzmarshall>
used to take that big ugly green cirle in the top of the box that said xbox and wet sand to make it clear like glass and then put blue leds under it when they 1st appeard
<buzzmarshall>
was a pretty neat looking thing at the time
<emOne_>
that is awesome
<emOne_>
yea
<emOne_>
do you have a usb cable for the xbox?
<emOne_>
they had 4 usb slots for the controllers
<buzzmarshall>
the controller ports were all usb but ms used a propriatary plug to try and hide what they were
<emOne_>
lol yes that was quite funny
<emOne_>
I still have a usb converter for the xbox
<buzzmarshall>
basically its a pIII 700 with some stripped and propriatary sockets
<emOne_>
it was needed in order to make the softmod jailbreaks work
<buzzmarshall>
back then the only way to run out to a big screen or conventional tv was with a puter
<emOne_>
puter?
<buzzmarshall>
but when frodo and the others created xmbp it gave the xbox the ability to kinda become what the boxes are today
<buzzmarshall>
sorry computer
<emOne_>
ahh okok
<buzzmarshall>
trying to drive video out to a tv in the old days was expensive because it took special video out and even then was crappy
<emOne_>
lol yea
<buzzmarshall>
there were nothing like today where tv's have basically become computer displays
<emOne_>
the cards that did have video out were awful
<buzzmarshall>
ya
<buzzmarshall>
thats what really got people into the xbox and modding it
<emOne_>
did you ever softmod an xbox?
<emOne_>
or did you only hard mod them?
<buzzmarshall>
a couple of times but i mostly just did the hard way
<buzzmarshall>
soft mod kinda worked because of a exploit in a couple of games and how they stored things on the drive
<emOne_>
the softmods worked really well
<emOne_>
I had no issues with softmods
<buzzmarshall>
i like hardware and had no problem crakin cases and adding things to the board but did have alot of friends that were soft modding as they were afraid to open the case and mess around
<emOne_>
heh there are a lot of wires to be soldered for a hardmod
<buzzmarshall>
ya
<emOne_>
did you use any of the hardmod chips that were available or did you make your own?
<emOne_>
I think they would have used something like atmels actually
<buzzmarshall>
if you lacked soldering skills it was best to no play
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<buzzmarshall>
pic chips where the start of it
<buzzmarshall>
thats microchip
<emOne_>
pic ?
<buzzmarshall>
they were microchips little 8bit mcu
<emOne_>
cool!
<emOne_>
I only got involved when softmods became a thing
<emOne_>
I am a bit surprised it took quite long for the softmods to become a thing
<emOne_>
but to be fair the chip makers needed to turn a profit
<buzzmarshall>
originally they mod chip was pretty simple but then as the hardrive patching had to be done the chips became cplds or fpgas
<buzzmarshall>
xenium was one xecutor was another one
<emOne_>
I can imagine it would have been pretty easy for you to replicate a mod chip
<buzzmarshall>
then the slayers disk came out
<emOne_>
I remember xecutor <3
<buzzmarshall>
in the end they were one of the best
<emOne_>
it was heavily marketed on a site I used to visit a lot
<emOne_>
on a forum
<buzzmarshall>
the one i have with the 4 line display has a exector 3 in it
<emOne_>
cool
<emOne_>
how did the displays work? Did they connect into the xbox motherboard or directly into the chip?
<buzzmarshall>
things were good back then as most of the communities that formed them were pretty good
<buzzmarshall>
people just wanted to play and have fun
<buzzmarshall>
usually they were driven by the mod chip
<buzzmarshall>
really it spewed useless info but it looked neat
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne_>
lol those things were amazing
<emOne_>
I loved the case mods that people did
<emOne_>
everyone used to brag about their custom case mods <3
<buzzmarshall>
ya there were some pretty neat thigns
<buzzmarshall>
a few companys popped up that would sell vinly skins for them as well
<buzzmarshall>
to this day i still think the original xbox was the only real piece of hardware that MS made that worked right and wasnt a bad design
<emOne_>
the original xbox was the best
<buzzmarshall>
every newer box has been nothing but trouble
<emOne_>
the community was amazing too
<emOne_>
xbox scene org
<emOne_>
that is the site I used to hang out on
<buzzmarshall>
ive got a shed full of 360s and ps's and newer that all have bad gpus on them
<emOne_>
:/+
<buzzmarshall>
i used to be on them as well
<buzzmarshall>
just under a couple of other nicks
<emOne_>
yea
<emOne_>
I think when the softmod came out it was pretty much game over for microsoft
<emOne_>
I think the exploit was found in one of the executable files that was integral to the system and couldn't be updated
<emOne_>
or something along those lines
<buzzmarshall>
from my perspective i tend to see things as all hacks are good as it usually generates interests in those products
<buzzmarshall>
otherwise the products have short life span as people move on
<buzzmarshall>
sure they might loose some control over how people use the device
<buzzmarshall>
but the hack generates interest and keeps sales going
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<emOne_>
agreed
<buzzmarshall>
and to be honest the owners still make the sale of the original peice of equipment
<emOne_>
I think some consoles were successful due to the modding scene
<buzzmarshall>
in the old days alot of makers kinda would never openly admit to that but would generally agree
<buzzmarshall>
but now in todays greed driven markets they dont see that as they really want to see the short life as it promotes people buying new all the time
<emOne_>
there is a reason why sony gave the playstation 3 a bootable Linux OS
<emOne_>
^
<emOne_>
I am 100% sure that the modding scene was good for the consoles
<buzzmarshall>
i agree
<buzzmarshall>
its a repeating trend and still continues
<emOne_>
yep
<buzzmarshall>
they will let things go
<emOne_>
microsoft gave the later consoles an official way to create apps and games
<emOne_>
even though those were highly limited by the framework that ms provides
<buzzmarshall>
usually it comes to a end once they over the top marketing the dealers start with
<buzzmarshall>
end up convincing the money guys at the maker that there loosing to much money
<buzzmarshall>
now someones looking to claw that loss back and the clamping down starts
<emOne_>
I always wondered since the xbox is very similiar to a pc why it isn't possible to run xbox OS on a pentium3 pc
<emOne_>
shouldn't it be possible to stick an xbox hard drive into a pc and boot from that OS?
<emOne_>
assuming you have similiar hardware
<buzzmarshall>
probaby would be doable, just might need to mod the bios
<buzzmarshall>
most of the control back then was in the bios and what it looked for and where on the storage
<emOne_>
it is baffling how no one can come up with an emulator
<emOne_>
and people who are good at making emulators failed
<emOne_>
the xbox 360 used an xbox emulator that was amazing from a techincal point of view
<buzzmarshall>
i seem to recall people did have some but nothing out in the mainstream
<emOne_>
there is a really good youtube video explaining the xbox 360 , xbox emulator
<buzzmarshall>
seems to me i recall some australian hackers had something going
<emOne_>
the xbox emulator inside the 360 worked in a really clever way
<buzzmarshall>
australia used to have a pretty good hacking scene
<emOne_>
buzzmarshall: there are emulators out there ,, but they are pretty dumb
<emOne_>
basically the games are compiled with microsofts sdk/xdk
<emOne_>
they are compiled as windows exes
<emOne_>
soo they are not real emulators
<emOne_>
and it only works with directx on windows
<emOne_>
and the games have to be compiled with the exact version the original game was compiled with
<emOne_>
or rather recompiled?
<buzzmarshall>
ya thats true
<emOne_>
it works .. but it is a mess
<buzzmarshall>
for me i don't really see the games meant to run on that particular box as a emulated game
<emOne_>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
to me emulator games are the old 8 bit things like mario or space invaders
<buzzmarshall>
that kinda crap
<buzzmarshall>
there all rom based
<buzzmarshall>
being able to run that on the xbox is more what i consider a emulator
<emOne_>
yea
<emOne_>
those were the best emulators too
<buzzmarshall>
kinda the same way they are still doing on these boxes
<buzzmarshall>
they create a core engine to load the rom's binary and then execute it on the box
<buzzmarshall>
i cant explain why but i find those old games say like marios rom ran better on the xboxes hardware better then it does on the say the S912
<buzzmarshall>
im not sure if its just because the faster machines are 2 fast and to divide the clocks to the engine down to the roms binary level it looses things because the resolution in the dividers is so small the game wanders as it executes
<buzzmarshall>
its a hard thing to explain without seeing it
<emOne_>
it ran really well
<emOne_>
I remember
<emOne_>
I think it was really good low level coding tbh
<emOne_>
how much ram was in the original xbox?
<emOne_>
64mb?
<buzzmarshall>
HEY... Hopefully were not boring anyone with out babble... if so let us know and we can go to another channel...
<emOne_>
lol
<emOne_>
check out the video
<emOne_>
(lol because we are slightly derailing the channel)
<emOne_>
and lol because no one seems to care hah
<buzzmarshall>
funny someplace in the shed i got a couple of those blue ones with bad boards
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
i get what you mean about backwards comp
<buzzmarshall>
its just for me by the time the old 8bit rom games died out i no longer played games
<buzzmarshall>
i just fixed the boxes and hacked them as my kids and there friends were really into those games
<buzzmarshall>
i was more into just messing around by that time
<emOne_>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
but still to this day still do like the old rom emulators
<emOne_>
any favourite roms?
<buzzmarshall>
contra was one
<buzzmarshall>
mario donkey kong
<buzzmarshall>
space invaders was kinda boring
<emOne_>
I played mario and donkey kong
<buzzmarshall>
mario when it 1st came out with all the levels was pretty good
<emOne_>
yes
<buzzmarshall>
the old graphics just break me up to watch
<emOne_>
mario was an excellent game
<buzzmarshall>
i can appreciate the newest stuff as its so realistic
<buzzmarshall>
but i personally get a kick outta the old stuff
<buzzmarshall>
i grew up in the era of the 2 steves
<emOne_>
I am fascinated by the old games
<buzzmarshall>
so even pong was entertaining
<emOne_>
I can't even imagine the coding behind the old games
<buzzmarshall>
alot of peeking and poking
<buzzmarshall>
haha
<emOne_>
I think it was all super low level coding?
<buzzmarshall>
oh ya
<emOne_>
like .. assembly or lower
<buzzmarshall>
coding back then was something most today cant relate to and would laugh at
<buzzmarshall>
the amount of code and work that went into creating pixels and moving them onscreen
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
thats why pong was funny
<emOne_>
I watched some youtube videos on how gameboy games were coded... that stuff was litereally coded in "code"
<emOne_>
atari pong?
<buzzmarshall>
todays like light years ahead
<buzzmarshall>
for sure
<emOne_>
heh
<emOne_>
I only know atari pong from hearsay
<buzzmarshall>
the designers had a hardware engine to code for and went from there
<emOne_>
it must have been exciting when it came out
<emOne_>
I can't even imagine how it was coded
<emOne_>
it is such a simple game
<buzzmarshall>
once it was done they'd burn the game into a eeprom and then put it into a cartridge
<emOne_>
crazy stuff
<emOne_>
mind blowing
<buzzmarshall>
getting old kinda sucks
<buzzmarshall>
but the one nice thing
<buzzmarshall>
in my life ive watched computers and the things driving jump forward so far that if you back into history and look at other things they took centuries
<emOne_>
I think there are many nice things. You grew up with technology as it was invented
<buzzmarshall>
the learning curve in the last 50 years is huge
<emOne_>
yes
<emOne_>
it is incredible
<buzzmarshall>
sometimes i think things need to slow down a bit so people can enjoy what they got
<emOne_>
it is incredible how quickly and rapidly silicon based chips have developed
<buzzmarshall>
but its hard to put the breaks on technology
<emOne_>
how far the internet and networking has gone
<emOne_>
what do you think of "AI"?
<buzzmarshall>
i think on one hand its great
<buzzmarshall>
but then on the other hand i am not sure if mans ready for that yet
<buzzmarshall>
too many greedy companies that i think would abuse that power right now
<buzzmarshall>
im not sure i like that
<emOne_>
it is scary
<buzzmarshall>
im not keen on someone like jeff bezo's having that type of power over the masses
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<buzzmarshall>
i already don't like how much power amazon's got
<emOne_>
elon musk is in favour of some sort of government board that overseas or regulates AI
<buzzmarshall>
in the right hands tho i see it as the next natural thing
<buzzmarshall>
i like elon
<emOne_>
I think jeff bezos recently overtook bill gates as the officially richest person
<buzzmarshall>
extremely intelegent and forward thinker
<emOne_>
yes
<emOne_>
I like elon
<buzzmarshall>
ya bezos did awhile ago
<emOne_>
at times I thought he was a complete jerk and lunatic lol
<buzzmarshall>
also set the biggest divorce settlemnet last year
<emOne_>
crazy stuff
<buzzmarshall>
the mans a greedy pig stepping on the poor to amass more
<emOne_>
:(
<buzzmarshall>
just how much wealth does one need?
<buzzmarshall>
elon tho as rich as he is seems to be steering things in a better direction
<emOne_>
yes exactly
<buzzmarshall>
and even people like gates will end up giving back most of his wealth to others
<emOne_>
and he actually invested all his previous earnings into his new projects
<buzzmarshall>
its the bezo's that are killing the world
<buzzmarshall>
im not sure about europe but here in NA
<emOne_>
yes.. I was surprised the first time I found out that bill gates is going to give his wealth away
<emOne_>
yes go on
<buzzmarshall>
for years the big auto companies make excuses over clean cars and batterry stuff
<buzzmarshall>
till Elon showed up
<buzzmarshall>
1st the US tried to use congress to stop his cars
<emOne_>
really?
<buzzmarshall>
using dealership rules and crap
<emOne_>
oh wow
<emOne_>
I never knew that
<buzzmarshall>
finally as the big 3 north americans were forced to follow him things started to change here someone as far as electric vehicles
<buzzmarshall>
toyota was a nother big pusher here as well
<buzzmarshall>
but tesla was the one that forced their hands
<buzzmarshall>
he might pee people off in some ways but i have nothing but respect for the man
<emOne_>
ford made an electric car way back in the day
<buzzmarshall>
yes thats true
<emOne_>
but it was buried
<emOne_>
the project that is
<emOne_>
I like Elon Musk
<buzzmarshall>
actually it was someone else that worked for him that had the idea but ford squashed it as he sold out to the oil companies
<buzzmarshall>
and here we still sit
<emOne_>
sometimes I wonder if he has just been put into the position that he is in
<emOne_>
as a role model as an innovator
<emOne_>
as a real life tony stark kind of persona
<buzzmarshall>
could be
<emOne_>
I know that the spacex program is heavily subsidised by the US government
<buzzmarshall>
or now we can enter a whole new topic and wonder if he had alien help
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne_>
exactly!
<emOne_>
lol
<emOne_>
who are you buzzmarshall? :)
<buzzmarshall>
well the gov supsidises a lot of things
<emOne_>
sure
<emOne_>
but in the public eye spaceX is a private enterprise
<emOne_>
and it isn't NASA
<emOne_>
but if it is funded by the gov .. is there a difference between spaceX and nasa?
<buzzmarshall>
true but if the US hadn't subsidized companies like boering or grummond or dozens of others they probably wouldnt have florished here
<buzzmarshall>
it still takes great leadership to make it work
<buzzmarshall>
and thats him
<emOne_>
true
<emOne_>
true
<buzzmarshall>
theres no one in the gov with that type of skillset
<buzzmarshall>
hell they can't even manage the country let alone a sucessful business
<buzzmarshall>
and now with space flight a common thing NASA has lost its control
<emOne_>
if a business loses money it is declared bankrupt. If a government agency is losing money the agency is expanded
<emOne_>
or something along those lines
<buzzmarshall>
ya
<buzzmarshall>
its never a good idea to let some public servant manage money thats not there own
<emOne_>
agreed
<buzzmarshall>
cause in the end they either end up finding a way to waste it or outright pilver it for themselves
<buzzmarshall>
haha
<emOne_>
yep :/
<buzzmarshall>
i wish the world could go back to the barter system
<emOne_>
you must have watched all the apollo mission
<buzzmarshall>
the hell with money
<emOne_>
BTC
<buzzmarshall>
that way all the useless people with next to NO skills are the loosers
<buzzmarshall>
in other words the politicians
<buzzmarshall>
normal people would learn to develop skills so they could barter with others
<emOne_>
have you watched all the apollo missions?
<emOne_>
there are always crypto currencies :)
<buzzmarshall>
over the years pretty much
<emOne_>
is it weird how the moon missions have stopped?
<emOne_>
I mean ,,,
<emOne_>
is it weird that we are doing less space projects than we have done in your time?
<emOne_>
to me that is the strangest thing
<buzzmarshall>
i dont think it holds the publics interest as much these days and with the huge military budget countries are keeping
<emOne_>
It feels like we have gone backwards in terms of space exploration
<buzzmarshall>
i dont think theres enough in the piggy bank anymore
<buzzmarshall>
i agree
<emOne_>
that stuff has happened before I was born
<emOne_>
right now there are only the ISS missions
<buzzmarshall>
i like to think musk will be the driving force to push the public that way as we keep over populating the planet something will eventually have to happen
<buzzmarshall>
i thnk other countries have been doing things that maybe might not be public
<buzzmarshall>
eventually space will become a interrest again tho
<emOne_>
Russia did plan on going to space secretly
<emOne_>
or rather the soviet union
<emOne_>
but the project got scrapped in the end
<emOne_>
just before the soviet union collapsed
<buzzmarshall>
currently i don't thing the us wants to go back as it will force their hands on some of the lies they have maintained over the years about space and the moon
<buzzmarshall>
even aldren said they were being watched when they were up there
<emOne_>
do you think it was a military mission?
<buzzmarshall>
and for whatever dumb reason the US gov just refuses to believe in life other then what we know it is
<buzzmarshall>
naw
<buzzmarshall>
i look at the universe in this way
<emOne_>
what lies?
<buzzmarshall>
its a pretty arogant human that would think outta the billions of planets that were the only one with life on it
<emOne_>
ofc we are not
<buzzmarshall>
theres more then enough unexplained things in history and archiology that suggests weve been visited and helped
<buzzmarshall>
and for years theres been all this stuff about astronauts being watched
<emOne_>
ancient alien style?
<buzzmarshall>
yea
<emOne_>
watched?
<emOne_>
who were they watched by?
<buzzmarshall>
i take that with a grain of salt but logically theres got to be a base of truth to it
<buzzmarshall>
buzz aldren said on the medical channel he switched over to that they were being watched on the moon
<emOne_>
how does he know?
<emOne_>
is there an ellaboration?
<buzzmarshall>
when he was on the moon
<emOne_>
yes but how did he know?
<buzzmarshall>
back then the radio channels were open with the only private channels being between the individual astronaut and his medical supervisor
<emOne_>
go on
<buzzmarshall>
according to what he said at the time that was heard by anyone listening was that something was up on the ridge of the crater
<emOne_>
wtf
<emOne_>
like weird radio signals?
<buzzmarshall>
radio hobbiest back they used to listen to all the chatter
<buzzmarshall>
ham operators around the world
<buzzmarshall>
australia was a relay point and had a big ham scene
<buzzmarshall>
here tho in north america as well
<emOne_>
so what did he hear?
<buzzmarshall>
anyways when he made the comment he was told to switch over to his medical channel so know one else could here
<emOne_>
oh
<emOne_>
wtfff
<buzzmarshall>
later in the years he even talked openly about it to the point that some nasa guys leeked the recordings
<emOne_>
so did he explain what he meant??
<buzzmarshall>
then he refused to talk much about it after somethings i quess got siad to him
<emOne_>
but did he explain a little bit?
<emOne_>
wttffff
<buzzmarshall>
but there wer others that said there were strange things up there that no one wanted to talk about
<buzzmarshall>
haha
<buzzmarshall>
theres all kinds of storys over the years
<buzzmarshall>
even the russians have seen things
<emOne_>
but what?
<emOne_>
:O
<emOne_>
omg
<psymin>
oh my kodi takes a long time to rebuild the library on a steam link
<buzzmarshall>
not all that long ago i know china had something up on the darkside and rumors were leaking about what they seen from the satelites
<buzzmarshall>
its all good entertainment
<emOne_>
stop pulling my leg buzz :P
<buzzmarshall>
but i have no problem believing in the idea
<buzzmarshall>
naw what i said is true
<emOne_>
I believe you
<buzzmarshall>
google around you should be able to find things
<buzzmarshall>
hell even the catholic church now has changed their position
<emOne_>
aldren surely did not mean what he said
<emOne_>
it must have been taken out of context
<buzzmarshall>
they actually got a really decent observation setup as well
<buzzmarshall>
sure he did
<emOne_>
the chinese?
<buzzmarshall>
he just got pressured into not talking about it anymore
<buzzmarshall>
even to this day if he gets bugged about it
<buzzmarshall>
never denys it
<buzzmarshall>
just says he don't want to talk about it
<emOne_>
no way ...
<emOne_>
maybe they were being watched from Houston?
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne_>
or by the crew member that was not only with NASA
<buzzmarshall>
theres always been that whole secracy thing and this dumb ass mentality that normal humans couldnt handle the idea of some other more advanced race of beings
<buzzmarshall>
they use that to try and keep things secret
<buzzmarshall>
in my parents generation it worked because media was differnt
<buzzmarshall>
now with the internet they cant keep spinning it the same way
<buzzmarshall>
peoply by nature are inqusitive and smart and eventually will figure things out
<buzzmarshall>
but thats the nature of how governments think to protect us
<buzzmarshall>
this is why we need people like musk
<buzzmarshall>
hes like steve jobs and a outside box thinker
<buzzmarshall>
always looking down the road for the next new way
<buzzmarshall>
that goes against the gov as it threatens the control of that small group of politiancs
<emOne_>
so where are the aliens?
<buzzmarshall>
dont matter where you are
<buzzmarshall>
who knows
<emOne_>
what did buzz adren see?
<emOne_>
or hear
<buzzmarshall>
not something i normally think or worry about as im just a nobody
<buzzmarshall>
he said they were being watched
<buzzmarshall>
he said he could see what he thought were individual or something moving around on the ridge
<buzzmarshall>
so its either someone else was up there that no one knew about or there was something else on the moon watching them
<emOne_>
you are not in canada are you? :)
<buzzmarshall>
yep
<buzzmarshall>
ever watch shows like the expanse?
<emOne_>
no
<buzzmarshall>
thats a concept i definately can see in the near future
<emOne_>
I haven't watched the expanse
<emOne_>
is it any good?
<buzzmarshall>
ya not bad
<buzzmarshall>
took me awhile to get into it
<buzzmarshall>
i think the 1st time i watched a couple of episodes i stopped
<buzzmarshall>
but then someone else told me to give it another try
<buzzmarshall>
season 5 should be coming out soon
<emOne_>
I will give it a go
<emOne_>
I will check it out
<emOne_>
what is it about?
<buzzmarshall>
its kinda like game of thrones type of thing only in space
<emOne_>
hehe sounds good
<emOne_>
but wait
<buzzmarshall>
theres earth and then theres mars as its own colony
<buzzmarshall>
and then theres the belters
<emOne_>
what is up with the aliens??
<buzzmarshall>
there the miners out in the astroid belt
<buzzmarshall>
so its all the political control crap now as earth wants to run the show while the colonies want their own
<emOne_>
buzzmarshall: but who are you?
<emOne_>
;)
<buzzmarshall>
give it a go
<emOne_>
do you want me to guess?
<buzzmarshall>
its entertaining but still soemthing i could see for us not all the far off in the future
<emOne_>
that is cool
<emOne_>
I will check it out
<buzzmarshall>
well let me have one more toke and i'll be anyone you want
<buzzmarshall>
hahaha
<emOne_>
LOL :)
<buzzmarshall>
its nice now that its legal here
<emOne_>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
anyways... i gotta go do a bunch of crap and start a couple of over nite compiles
<emOne_>
ok ok
<emOne_>
I will catch up with you soon
<buzzmarshall>
but it was fun and hopefully we can do it again
<emOne_>
nice chatting to you
<emOne_>
:)
<buzzmarshall>
and i apologize to anyone in the channel if we bored you guys or were out of line in any way
<buzzmarshall>
see ya tomoorow...
<buzzmarshall>
have fun
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* emOne_
now wants to know about the aliens
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<tibyke>
moin
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<tibyke>
guys I know it's not directly related but I'm having hard time getting mygica t230c to work on a rpi3 and raspbian. I have kernel sources, I have linuxtv media_build, yet something is still not okay. who can help me a bit?
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<emOne>
hello
<emOne>
chewitt: hi
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: hello
<emOne>
:)
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<emOne>
how is everyone doing?
<emOne>
I have some great news everyone
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<emOne>
buzzmarshall: did they also ban you on CE lol?
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<Kingsy>
Hi, I am interested in this as a choice for my HTPC, its just a PC right now, with ubuntu on it. Does libreelec have a cmd interface? i.e what is its package manager?
<emOne>
Kingsy: hello
<Kingsy>
Hi!!
<Kingsy>
I can see from the wiki you can ssh into it. which is a start :D
<emOne>
nice
<emOne>
that is a good start
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<Kingsy>
so how does it work? Lets say I wanted tooo.. run a cli application, like a vpn, how would that work? does it have a package manager? like apt-get or yum?
<bacobart>
libreelec does one thing, and one thing really well, and that is run kodi. i guess you could install other software put you're going against the stream. if you want that, get a generic linux distro and use that.
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<Kingsy>
well really. all I want issss kodi, a way of mounting an nfs share of cifs mount, ssh support, a way of running expressvpn... ermm thats about it I think.
<Kingsy>
all of that possible with this?
<Kingsy>
the vpn is a big one.
<bacobart>
i mean basically the slogan is "just enough os for kodi"
<bacobart>
you can access nfs/cifs from kodi so no need to mount
<bacobart>
ssh is there with busybox if you really want to
<bacobart>
again i guess you could run vpn but i would not recommend it
<Kingsy>
why not?
<bacobart>
[20:48] <bacobart> libreelec does one thing, and one thing really well, and that is run kodi. i guess you could install other software put you're going against the stream. if you want that, get a generic linux distro and use that.
<bacobart>
everything after kodi is an afterthought or not properly supported
<Kingsy>
there must be a reasonable amount of people out there that want a VPN with kodi.
<bacobart>
sure
<bacobart>
but if they're sane people they use a generic distro
<bacobart>
:P
<Kingsy>
hahah
<Kingsy>
the reason why I ended up here was its really hard to use a general distro with a remote control
<Kingsy>
its just not very friendly.
<emOne>
stop being a shill
<Kingsy>
a shill?
<emOne>
you can install a vpn in your router or a pi
<Kingsy>
what do you mean?
<Kingsy>
I didnt like the vpn on the router, it blocked quite a few other features when I had to change the software from netgears stock stuff
<Kingsy>
are you saying use a raspberry pi as the vpn and put kodi on my htpc?
<emOne>
hmm?
<Kingsy>
haha I suppose I am confused by your comment of installing a VPN on a pi
<andersfey>
I want also install VPN on box. How can I?
<Kingsy>
ermm its just a htpc. its a amd64 intel i3 with a SSD and a nvidia gfx card. currently it runs ubuntu, but I want to switch because as I say kodi crashes alot
<Kingsy>
oh, sorry were you asking someone esle there.
<emOne>
andersfey: I have sent you a diagram on installing a vpn INFRONT of your raspberry pi
<emOne>
it is pretty easy
<emOne>
it shows what to install.. If you have any questions do PM me
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<Kingsy>
hmm tbh perhaps this isnt for me, I guess it cant run emulators and stuff like that, I know there are kodi apps for it, but I guess running the emulator would be out of scope
<andersfey>
thank you emOne. I will install it with nord
<emOne>
yw
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<emOne>
Kingsy: yes I think in your case a kodi app would be the best