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<emOne>
good evening friends of the interwebz
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: hi
<buzzmarshall>
hey there
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: what is new?
<buzzmarshall>
same old stuff
<buzzmarshall>
just compiling again
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<buzzmarshall>
been busy trying to learn more about git while working in the master branch of LE
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<emOne>
compiling is not fun :/
<buzzmarshall>
trying to see if what implications there maybe between Cortex A55 and the A53'
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: can you imagine I was banned over at CE for asking about the wifi drivers
<buzzmarshall>
really?
<emOne>
yes lol
<emOne>
I sent them some links to something I thought might be the driver
<emOne>
and after that they banned me
<emOne>
no reasons were given . all posts were deleted
<emOne>
strange stuff
<buzzmarshall>
not really he just don't like anyone questioning his authority
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<buzzmarshall>
not being theres not anything i'd loose any sleep
<buzzmarshall>
over
<emOne>
lol yes
<emOne>
I didn't question his authority
<emOne>
but such an asshole thing to do
<emOne>
meh
<buzzmarshall>
over half their code's nicked from here anyways
<buzzmarshall>
naw... but you probably mentioned me
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
i wish my x3 boxes would show up
<emOne>
coronavirus might slow them down
<buzzmarshall>
ya
<emOne>
they should just spray the postal packs with some virus killing spray lol
<buzzmarshall>
well if things don't change i'll just go and buy one
<buzzmarshall>
i think everythings really up in the air now till things are better contained
<buzzmarshall>
which is good i guess
<emOne>
I hope Shenzhen is not too badly affected by the virus
<emOne>
I think FedEx might be your best bet
<buzzmarshall>
factory i get my stuff from is not really sending much right now
<emOne>
:(
<emOne>
I hope the affected people get well soon
<emOne>
I shipped my boxes with DHL Express to Germany
<buzzmarshall>
there coming but piggybacked on a bigger shipment to a dealer here in Ca
<emOne>
cool
<emOne>
DHL Express are running a scam in Germany
<buzzmarshall>
there holding his shipment up tho right now over the virus stuff
<buzzmarshall>
what kinda scam?
<emOne>
when you receive products from China, DHL determines the taxes and tariffs that you pay for the shipment
<emOne>
they take the money in cash from the people they deliver to in the country
<emOne>
they conveniently overtax the deliveries
<emOne>
I ended up paying more than 50% in taxes that I was supposed not to pay
<emOne>
not supposed to pay**
<emOne>
When you ask them about it, they play dumb
<emOne>
they marked my shipment as "cassette tape players or dvd players"
<emOne>
putting it in a completely different tax category
<buzzmarshall>
here in Can its kinda the same way... if i have goods shipped from Asia the slow way it almost always comes in with no duties but if use DHL i have to pay it everytime
<emOne>
plus they upped the price of the products
<buzzmarshall>
that bytes
<emOne>
it is a scam
<emOne>
duties are fine ,,,
<emOne>
but here with DHL people end up paying 50-60% more in duties
<emOne>
I guess most people don't take the time to calculate how much they are supposed to pay in taxes and just pay up
<emOne>
I refused to take my delivery
<buzzmarshall>
ya i would to at that rate
<emOne>
they told me they will destroy my parcel if I don't pay the full rate lol
<emOne>
I asked them to charge me the correct amount ,, they refused
<emOne>
they claim that they have already paid the duties and that it is my problem
<buzzmarshall>
im not a big fan of DHL either.... here i normally would never use them but because of HongKong they seem to be really popular for asian's to use to send here to NA
<emOne>
I am going to give FedEX a go
<buzzmarshall>
for a number of years i worked for a US company running a small factory here in Ca and ran a truck between here and Pittsburg every week
<emOne>
at least I can rely on Tom Hanks to deliver my boxes even after he crashes on an abandoned island and becomes friends with his volleyball
<buzzmarshall>
DHL was really bad
<buzzmarshall>
same as UPS
<emOne>
what is the alternative over there?
<buzzmarshall>
UPS stateside seems better but here in CA are next to DHL the worst for dutys and charges
<emOne>
o you have a royal canadian mail ?
<emOne>
do you
<buzzmarshall>
i handled all the custom papers for the weekly shipment and had accounts with the US and CAN where we paid any fees thru
<buzzmarshall>
but the small shipments inbetween the weekly truck used to have to go and both UPS and DHL always charged even tho i had already paid thru the company accounts with the border agencies
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: DHL is pocketing those taxes
<buzzmarshall>
if ya fight long and hard enough you'll get it back but its just not worth the time and it seems to be practise they do to everyone
<emOne>
no wonder they are taking cash
<buzzmarshall>
FedEX and Purolater is who i normally use
<buzzmarshall>
not that there the greatest either but at least it eventually gets there without all the extra fees
<emOne>
I will only use FedEx from now on I think buzz
<emOne>
there was nothing express about DHL express lol
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
i try and think ahead when i can and get it brought in with some other freinds that are always bring stuff in when i can
<emOne>
There are enough Chinese people around travelling
<emOne>
I will get someone to just grab something for me
<buzzmarshall>
sometimes if i can find a dealer in Can thats not being to bad with their markup i will just buy it that way
<emOne>
seriously though the way DHL "calculates" the import duties is ridiculous
<buzzmarshall>
i don't mind paying a bit in markup for local stuff
<emOne>
when they are called out on it they blame the chinese for not declaring it proprly
<buzzmarshall>
ya im not sure as usually the tarrif rates are set at the country level
<emOne>
yep
<emOne>
they are
<buzzmarshall>
but then they add a handling charge
<buzzmarshall>
handling hahaha... most like throwing it around charge
<emOne>
DHL calculates the rates and it is rubber stamped by the customs office
<emOne>
lol yea
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<emOne>
buzzmarshall: the whole way they do it feel scammy too
<emOne>
DHL claims that they front you money by paying the customs FOR YOU
<emOne>
so you have to accept any tariffs that they pull out of thin air
<buzzmarshall>
ya they pull the same crap here so thats why i always tell the vendor not to ship that way if i can
<buzzmarshall>
technically they are full of bs tho as they duties and taxes arent legally payable until actual delivery
<buzzmarshall>
their service fee tho is different
<buzzmarshall>
if i have no choice i will go online and prepay the can duties and then fight with them at the door
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<buzzmarshall>
and reject the shipment and file a online complaint and then not worry bout it and just notify the vendor
<emOne_>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
but your right its a pain
<emOne_>
in my case if I were to reject the shipment I would have lost the money I paid for my boxs
<emOne_>
it is a policy from the site I ordered actually
<buzzmarshall>
ya
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<emOne_>
buzzmarshall: it is almost as if they are running an extortion ring
<buzzmarshall>
lol... true
<buzzmarshall>
its always the same with the big corps
<buzzmarshall>
they set policy's that they now the average dudes not going do much about as its to frustrating and time consuming
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<buzzmarshall>
specially when your making purchases outside the country you live in
<emOne_>
I am sure the vast majority of people don't even notice it
<emOne_>
look into TARIC codes and IATA rates
<emOne_>
and tell me that the average joe will calculate the correct tariff from those
<buzzmarshall>
true
<emOne_>
brb
<buzzmarshall>
np... im just trying another build on this S912 box
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<emOne_>
buzzmarshall: geez, I am running into disappointment after disappointment with everything regarding chinese arm boxes
<emOne_>
now I found out that I can't even remove the boot logo on android
<buzzmarshall>
it can be done but normally its not something for the average joe tho i am not sure if amlogics tool makes it easier
<buzzmarshall>
all my boxes have the Amlogic Chip as a graphic with my Logo over it but i did that years ago by messing with the boot loader and using a hexeditor to swap out the binary code of the graphics
<buzzmarshall>
i thought tho over the years with the Amlogic tools floating around that it can be done from within the tool
<emOne_>
I will check it out buzzmarshall
<emOne_>
ty
<buzzmarshall>
i even changed the graphics for the andriod icon in the recovery
<buzzmarshall>
i changed mine to linux pee'n over the android droid
<emOne_>
ooh that is cool
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne_>
LOL
<emOne_>
nice
<emOne_>
I heard that changing the boot logo can result in a brick
<emOne_>
fml
<buzzmarshall>
all my boxes are like that as then i no if someone's messed with my software
<emOne_>
clever
<emOne_>
if you reset in android to stock ,, does that also reset the bootloader?
<buzzmarshall>
theres checks that are performed but if your not interested in trying to pass them because your not worried about loosing the factory software then its not all that hard
<emOne_>
at this point I don't think I care anymore
<buzzmarshall>
normally the factory software is somewhat locked to android/bootloader version tho there are ways of getting around it
<emOne_>
nothing has been easy with this box lol
<emOne_>
damn
<emOne_>
why is it so damn complicateD?
<buzzmarshall>
thats partly why over the years as the boxes move up the older boxes kinda get dropped as no one wants to invest the time in bringing those devices up to the newer stuff
<emOne_>
that is fair enough
<buzzmarshall>
things like checksums and key or signatures
<emOne_>
the idea is to make enough money to hire a dedicated coder for these damn boxes
<emOne_>
but the first boxes need to be debranded
<emOne_>
damn ,, I thought that re branding would be a breeze as there are many tutorials out there
<emOne_>
brb, 2 mins
<buzzmarshall>
originally it was a lot more work but after those Amlogic tools kinda got out it made it easier as those tools were actually made to make branding of the oem boxes easier
<buzzmarshall>
np
<emOne_>
buzzmarshall: is branding supported by the tools ?
<emOne_>
I havent chcked as I havn't installed windows yet
<buzzmarshall>
i never really bothered with them but basically the one tool will let you change all of that including the opening animation
<buzzmarshall>
when i started none of that was floating around
<buzzmarshall>
i started by using a serial uart and then poping a chip to insert a wedge and use jtag
<buzzmarshall>
lost a couple of boxes from using android back then as i didn't understand how things are married at boot level
<buzzmarshall>
i got linux up and running hardly ever bothered with android after that
<emOne_>
the idea is to use linux in the end
<emOne_>
but with all the wifi driver madness
<emOne_>
I decided to run android for now
<buzzmarshall>
the only time i ever look at Android is when i am trying to see how the signed parts need to work or when i am pilfering a blob to reverse engineer
<emOne_>
I hate it ,, , but it might be the only thing
<buzzmarshall>
its ok for a phone i quess but with phones im a apple guy
<buzzmarshall>
haha
<emOne_>
I prefer apple
<buzzmarshall>
to me android is the definition of spy or tracking ware
<emOne_>
there isn't a single part I like about android
<emOne_>
buzzmarshall: that too
<emOne_>
the only "nice" thing is that there are nice looking apps for android
<emOne_>
and the apps on kodi look like ass these days
<emOne_>
kodi needs a new app framework badly
<emOne_>
but that is just my opinion
<buzzmarshall>
kodi really is just a app itself but with the ability to handle a bunch of open source api's that let things like plugins or extenstions to be added by others
<buzzmarshall>
so any apps really are things that should be linux
<buzzmarshall>
but with things like LE being just enough linux to run the kodi app it gets confusing i think for people as they think the limitations are kodi when they really are the stripped down version of linux its running on
<emOne_>
Not sure if I see an option to rebrand in the amlogic burning tool
<buzzmarshall>
thats the factory's firmware burner app
<emOne_>
dalvik is also just an "app"
<buzzmarshall>
theres another one that will break down the parts of the firmware image
<emOne_>
ooh do you know the name?
<emOne_>
I mean that Kodi should allow for plugins that make better use of graphics, animations and such
<buzzmarshall>
hang on let me see if i can find what its called... i no on freak site someone had put together a collection of the amlogic apps
<emOne_>
thank you
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<emOne>
hey
<emOne>
internet broke down
<emOne>
back
<buzzmarshall>
i think it was just called AmlogicTools as a zip file
<buzzmarshall>
but the actual program i think was something like Amlogic Customization Tool
<buzzmarshall>
its a windows app and needs the right version of java to work right
<buzzmarshall>
theres a zipped collection of files on Freak site tho with all the different version
<buzzmarshall>
i think the only version missing is the newest ones that handle the S922's
<emOne>
jesus, everything is so complicated with arm
<buzzmarshall>
thats his version but i think hes the dude that posted that stuff over on Freak
<buzzmarshall>
theres a real Amlogic tool tho and i think he's kinda just based his on the functions the Amlogic one does
<buzzmarshall>
the biggest pain with the tool is the image file for the box needs to be in the right format
<buzzmarshall>
usually things like otp updateds tho i don't think will open right in the tool
<buzzmarshall>
maybe thats changed but it didn't use to work with them
<emOne>
there is a .img for the a95x f3 box on 4pda.ru
<emOne>
not sure if that is in the right format or not
<buzzmarshall>
the tools designed to open the firmware file the factory would do the orginal load with which is usually differnent then a lot of the update or repair files floatin around
<emOne>
as long as his tool doesn't brick the box it is good
<buzzmarshall>
ya ive never tried his version of the tool
<emOne>
the site claims it is a "stock firmware"
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<emOne>
his tool claims to have DTB editing
<emOne>
maybe it can bypass that magic number problem that we were having issues with earlier
<buzzmarshall>
the factory one did as well
<buzzmarshall>
even let you change kernel crap and a bunch of other stuff
<buzzmarshall>
basically it was a tool a company like say Eny that sells and brands hundreds of boxes
<emOne>
oooh nice
<buzzmarshall>
so when they 1st load the box with the initial load
<buzzmarshall>
that tool let them edit abunch of stuff
<buzzmarshall>
all the branding and android related stuff as well
<buzzmarshall>
but because Amlogic was not very bright with their ftp servers it all got out into the loose many years ago
<emOne>
that is a good thing :D
<buzzmarshall>
after that i think they just stopped worring about it as newer versions just kept coming out
<emOne>
:D
<emOne>
it is actually pretty hard to find the actual manufacturer of the a95x f3 box
<emOne>
there is nexbox and cyxtech
<emOne>
both claim to be manufacturers of the a95x
<emOne>
I emailed cyxtech but the email bounced
<emOne>
it was sales@cyxtech.com
<buzzmarshall>
eny has a reference board for that as well
<emOne>
it didn't even reach them lol
<buzzmarshall>
ive looked at their ref board
<emOne>
nice
<buzzmarshall>
most of them are all pretty much the same other then the ergonomics tied to the branding
<emOne>
is there anything interesting that you found?
<emOne>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
even the clones to a large extent are as well
<buzzmarshall>
they just putty crappy parts on them
<emOne>
lol yea
<emOne>
I figured they would be all same or similiar
<buzzmarshall>
in a lot of cases the clone makers will buy parts that don't meet the part makers min specs when there made
<buzzmarshall>
kinda like 2nds that years ago would have been pitched
<emOne>
do clones have different names from the originals?
<emOne>
or are they all the same?
<buzzmarshall>
nowadays they don't pitch much as someone will always come and buy up the stuff and use it
<buzzmarshall>
some will be the same some will be different as theres a bunch of plants making and populating boards
<buzzmarshall>
clones will usually pinch someone else board design and cheapen their costs by swapping or outright droping some parts
<buzzmarshall>
getting boards made its cheap and easy as theres tons of places to do that nowadays
<buzzmarshall>
plus sometimes the factories making stuff for a main brand are pumping identical unbranded parts out the back door
<buzzmarshall>
kinda like Foxcon does with apple
<buzzmarshall>
apple may bitch about it but
<buzzmarshall>
it spins off in a huge repair side business for everyone so they don't to a whole lot about it
<buzzmarshall>
its kinda good for everyone
<emOne>
as long as the clones dont claim to be the originals I dont see a problem
<emOne>
everyone knows that apple products are the originals
<buzzmarshall>
true
<emOne>
and if there are fake hackintoshes out there you know what you get if you buy the fake
<buzzmarshall>
personally im not a brand type of person to begin with
<buzzmarshall>
as long as it works is fine with me
<buzzmarshall>
im a hacker and never leave what i buy the way they intended it to be
<buzzmarshall>
haha
<emOne>
well it does suck for the manufacturer if someone is stealing your IP or your board design
<emOne>
so I do understand that aspect
<emOne>
but as long as they don't claim to be the original I guess it is not too bad
<emOne>
it might become a problem if they get too popular?
<buzzmarshall>
ya i do as well but when someone starts to take things that are common to a lot of other things and trys to make it unique by just altering one key part and claim its unique i start to see it a bit differently
<buzzmarshall>
as much as im a apple guy once they moved to intel hardware and just tryed to lock people out by using id's on the supported parts it became fun to make a hackintosh
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<buzzmarshall>
not that its anything i would ever sell to anyone but it was fun messing around
<emOne>
yea
<emOne>
in my honest opinion mac software is well integrated into mac hardware and the peripherals
<buzzmarshall>
but your right nowadays as sometimes theres to many taking others stuff that its lead to all this digital and intelectual property crap
<emOne>
it just doesn't feel the same using macOS on non mac hardware
<buzzmarshall>
i agree
<emOne>
maybe that is why the open source community has become so weird lately
<buzzmarshall>
apple is about intuitive feel in my opinion
<emOne>
yep
<buzzmarshall>
thats why any winblows setup never has the feel of a real mouse and how it should interact
<buzzmarshall>
windows guys that never worked on a apple don't get it
<emOne>
true
<buzzmarshall>
but most that were in the graphics arts or music industry know what i am talking about
<buzzmarshall>
photoshop on windblows sux compared to it on a mac
<buzzmarshall>
or well it used to lol
<emOne>
photoshop is still not so great on windows
<emOne>
it is much more intuitive on mac
<emOne>
but photoshop has become a bit bloated
<emOne>
on either OS
<emOne>
photoshop is backwards compatible so they don't deprecate any old feature
<buzzmarshall>
i would agree as i still mostly just used cs6
<emOne>
which is good ,, and bad at the same time
<emOne>
it is good since it doesn't break your workflow and plugins
<buzzmarshall>
i mostly use illustrator and then photoshop just because i don't find things like Gimp quite up to the Mac
<emOne>
gimp was never great in my opinion
<emOne>
but gimp is awesome because it has the open source spirit
<emOne>
no matter how crappy it is
<buzzmarshall>
maybe had i started out learning on Gimp i would think different
<buzzmarshall>
but ive used adobe stuff since before they were even available on windows
<emOne>
many of the open source warriors would only use gimp or die lol
<emOne>
I respect gimp for that
<emOne>
it had the true open source spirit to it
<emOne>
even if I don't like it
<emOne>
the open source spirit was great in my opinon
<buzzmarshall>
seeing as most of my constantly running boxes are all either linux or bsd i try and make myself use gimp just to not have to fire up a windows machine
<emOne>
heh yea
<buzzmarshall>
but sometimes i need to as i just get lost with gimp
<emOne>
that is one of the problems with Linux distros
<emOne>
you don't really get that many commercial apps
<emOne>
and the commercial apps you do get are sometimes not so frequently updated
<buzzmarshall>
gimp seems like its pretty powerful tho now just i know things better in illustrator
<buzzmarshall>
yea thats true for sure
<emOne>
illustrator is awesome
<buzzmarshall>
i usually use a fair amount of eda software and find the linux or unix stuff tough to use at times
<emOne>
you can make some really beatiful vector art with it
<emOne>
that is why mac OS is quite nice
<emOne>
you get a unix system with commercial app support as well as most open source linux apps
<emOne>
you get the best of both worlds
<buzzmarshall>
true
<buzzmarshall>
a lot of times im playing with cad software for making pcbs and then develop software for things like fpga and find the unix stuff kinda crappy
<emOne>
do you use a mac ?
<buzzmarshall>
windows seemed to have better apps for what i dabble with so i always keep at least one windows workstation
<emOne>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
ive a couple of imacs here as well
<emOne>
decompilers also come to mind as being mostly on windows
<emOne>
is IDA pro windows only?
<buzzmarshall>
ya for sure tho i am slowly getting better with the unix tools and being able to create some of my own
<buzzmarshall>
Ida Pro is a big thing for me
<buzzmarshall>
its available for all but windows version on xp or win7 work the best
<emOne>
yea
<emOne>
everyone that I heard from says that they use it on windows only
<buzzmarshall>
I use Ida to try and build half asssed model of the core im trying to reverse
<emOne>
I am kind of curious. Are you the designer of some of the chinese tv boxes?
<emOne>
cool!
<buzzmarshall>
naw... just a hacker
<emOne>
fair enough+
<emOne>
sounds like you know a lot
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<buzzmarshall>
Ida because of the way it works will let you build a cpu
<emOne>
cool!
<buzzmarshall>
actually theres tons already in it
<emOne>
what kind of cpu have you built?
<emOne>
arm ?
<emOne>
risc?
<buzzmarshall>
but the matching sdk will let yu create what you need
<buzzmarshall>
sure
<emOne>
risc v?
<buzzmarshall>
which ever cpu architectures you want
<buzzmarshall>
or you can take existing arch and mod it to what you need