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<chewitt>
lacrimosa: as others have said, use Samba on the Linux 'server'
<chewitt>
this is the same as every commercial NAS product available
<chewitt>
Synology, QNAP, etc. are all just fancy front-ends to Samba
<chewitt>
even LE uses Samba to share files from the HTPC box :)
<lacrimosa>
why not NFS?
<chewitt>
for me personally.. SMB is more commonly used by normal users so it's what I test with
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<chewitt>
NFS is also fine and marginally more efficient (very marginally)
<chewitt>
but also a little more complex to setup for novice users
<chewitt>
If you have a desktop distro on the server I'm sure there are GUI tools to make life easier though
<lacrimosa>
ok, ty
<chewitt>
is the Linux PC a Desktop or something you'll dedicate to server/sharing things?
<chewitt>
if the latter, install something like UnRAID on it instead of a Desktop distro .. then it will act like a NAS
<lacrimosa>
ok, thank you, maybe I will
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<buzzmarshall>
chewitt hi there... question regarding all this git stuff and how the mainstream maintainers and things work, i've been looking at driver blobs and other binaries and see the linux-firmware and then the misc-firmware and was wondering whats the difference between which has what?
<chewitt>
linux-firmware is the upstream kernel-firmware repo
<chewitt>
misc-firmware is an ad-hoc collection of stuff
<chewitt>
i'm not even sure what's in there these days
<chewitt>
the goal in OE/LE was always to minimise firmware bloat
<chewitt>
so there's been some overlap between firmware repo's over time
<buzzmarshall>
k... so for a binary to get into the linux-firmware collection does that mean its submission has to come from within the company that developed the binary and no one else
<chewitt>
upstream would want to see the blob submitted from someone with the legal authorisation to submit it
<buzzmarshall>
k... thats kinda what i wondered
<buzzmarshall>
so what you guys are trying to do then with LE is stick within that framework and not work outside that with just any old person adding binarys into LE
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<buzzmarshall>
and do away with all the mess
<buzzmarshall>
reason i ask is just after the interest in the mt7668 stuff i noticed that your right as the bluetooth portion of the blob seems to already have been in that collection now for awhile
<buzzmarshall>
so if someone were to fix the missing wifi portion it would need to come from someone at mediatek to be actually accepted upstream
<buzzmarshall>
thats the way i kinda think it works but thought i would just ask to be sure
<chewitt>
i'm not even sure if the wifi side needs firmware
<chewitt>
I didn't spend much time looking into that yet
<chewitt>
mostly I realised it wasn't upstream already and would be another out-of-tree driver
<chewitt>
that puts it way down my priority list :)
<buzzmarshall>
so you guys are just trying to basically eliminate the out of tree stuff not that it won't be allowed?
<buzzmarshall>
i partially disassembled the current blobs and can see the current ones been patched by them inhouse aways back and kind of wondered about the wifi myself as it seems wierd that they would submit the bt part and not the rest as its all part of their chipset
<buzzmarshall>
and from other sources can see the ones that i know do work on wifi for those devices have bigger blobs
<buzzmarshall>
so i am assuming somethings missing
<buzzmarshall>
mediatek is being weird on the mt7668 for some reason as both above and below that model i had no probs finding the techinical info
<buzzmarshall>
anyways i just wanted to make sure that if i go about fixing it that it would be out of tree but didn't want to step on anyones toes
<buzzmarshall>
hell i don't even have a device with it but got curious after people started to ask about it and others saying it couldnt be done
<buzzmarshall>
the poplar sources were the 1st ones i looked at and the khadas ones i seen as well
<buzzmarshall>
beelinks git dump also contained the mt7668 in their dump for the 922 based king
<buzzmarshall>
i seen a few discussions in the mediatek maillogs as well
<buzzmarshall>
never really seen a specific answer tho
<buzzmarshall>
just some acknowledgement by some inside guys about the models above and below and some talk about the mt7668 being the 1st break away from their other stuff built ontop of the older ralinks frameworks
<buzzmarshall>
didnt the spinics reference tho... thanx
<buzzmarshall>
actually now looking at the spinics reference its pretty much the same as what i seen in the mailogs
<buzzmarshall>
which seems to look like the wifi portion maybe just contained in the mt76 base
<emOne>
hello
<buzzmarshall>
hi there
<emOne>
I am impressed by chewitts google fu
<buzzmarshall>
:)
<emOne>
how did he find that?? I looked in many places
<buzzmarshall>
probably years of experience hunting around
<emOne>
I am starting to think that he is basically a ninja
<emOne>
Would you mind if I were to post these on CE?
<emOne>
I will write something along the lines of "You said it was impossible without the source. Here, take the source code and give me working wifi.K Thx Bye " :)
<buzzmarshall>
no matter to me as what he posted i already had and wasnt that hard to find
<buzzmarshall>
actually to be honest old numbnuts over there new about the beelink git dump before i left that place
<buzzmarshall>
thats kinda why i took exception to what got said by him on FT
<buzzmarshall>
they had access to the beelink dump going back to around may/june last year when i showed them
<emOne>
geez, I was considering switching to android today
<emOne>
and just replacing the launcher with Kodi
<buzzmarshall>
so for him to say its not doable is pure bs
<emOne>
yep
<buzzmarshall>
actually the beelink dumps build
<buzzmarshall>
just android 9 but its not that much of a stretch to move whats needed into linux
<buzzmarshall>
i can't speak for chewitt as far as posting that as that was his
<emOne>
yes
<buzzmarshall>
the beelink dump is a big one tho
<buzzmarshall>
about 70g
<emOne>
where is it?
<buzzmarshall>
google gt-king sdk
<buzzmarshall>
should be a easy find
<emOne>
nice
<emOne>
is there anything "interesting" inside the dump?
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<buzzmarshall>
its their git dump of their android 9 build for the king box
<buzzmarshall>
their effort to promote open source or so they say
<emOne>
that is cool
<buzzmarshall>
orginally it got hacked and dumped
<chewitt>
it's not particularly interesting .. and it's out of date
<chewitt>
the only useful thing in it was the fip sources
<buzzmarshall>
after that they opened it up
<buzzmarshall>
ya ive not really gone thru it much other then looking at the signing and key mechanisms
<emOne>
70GB is a lot to go through
<chewitt>
same as all other amlogic boxes iirc
<buzzmarshall>
that and it gave me the info i needed to make jtag on that SoC work
<emOne>
I was honestly considering abandoning CE and LE
<emOne>
After all Kodi does also work on Android
<buzzmarshall>
hm... why do that
<emOne>
I don't want to abandon it ,, but I do
<buzzmarshall>
yeow... kodi sucks on droid
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne>
what is wrong with it?
<emOne>
I honestly don't like anything that is android
<buzzmarshall>
being a hacker i don't like being tracked at all
<emOne>
say hello to android
<buzzmarshall>
as far as i am concerned androids whole mission is tracking and collecting
<emOne>
the only thing I do like about android is a real Youtube app
<buzzmarshall>
i quess to be fair maybe now with devices having more ddr in them it runs better
<emOne>
the apps inside Kodi are not real , not by 2020 definitions at least
<buzzmarshall>
but the older devices witih all googles collectors running in the background sure didn't help streaming with Kodi
<emOne>
Kodi needs an updated or new app engine imho
<emOne>
android is awful
<buzzmarshall>
kodi's not really meant to be a app to me
<emOne>
that is the thing
<buzzmarshall>
its just a great open source media player
<emOne>
yep
<buzzmarshall>
and the original intent was to create a small linux os just to run kodi
<emOne>
that is why I don't like having kodi on top of android
<buzzmarshall>
now tho i think to many want to much into it
<psymin>
what are your thoughts on lineageos (cyanogenmod) ?
<buzzmarshall>
so your better to just run a desktop if you want all that stuff
<buzzmarshall>
never really got into that
<buzzmarshall>
im not big into phones anymore
<emOne>
psymin: I never got into custom roms
<emOne>
have you tried it?
<psymin>
I have, on a few different devices.
<emOne>
how is it?
<buzzmarshall>
have they put that on these boxes as well?
<emOne>
chewitt: it feels like community enthusiasts have become very shallow
<emOne>
"community enthusiasts" are the ones that think android is the greatest thing ever
<emOne>
I am talking about the new generation of tech enthusiasts
<emOne>
the ones that love to put RGB lights on everything lol
<chewitt>
users are fickle and the majority just want something that works
<chewitt>
in that sense there is nothing wrong with Android .. it works
<emOne>
yes... but people have no idea what they are missing out on
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<emOne>
it works... but it is a closed sandboxed jail that isn't very flexible
<chewitt>
people consistently point out that Amlogic/Rockchip/<insert name of soc vendor> are miles better than a Raspberry Pi
<chewitt>
but our userbase has been consistently ~85% pi hardware since 2012
<chewitt>
so clearly 1080p video and something that works satisfies the majority of users
<psymin>
emOne, like android w/o google and w/ root. I enjoyed the experience.
<psymin>
is there a better FOSS OS for a phone?
<emOne>
maybe that OS that Nokia was working on
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<emOne>
but it was abandoned
<chewitt>
sailfish was nice, but is dead like nokia
<emOne>
yea
<emOne>
I really liked the idea behind the OS
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<emOne>
symbian was actually really nice on phones with buttons in my opinion
<psymin>
I think I could enjoy using an RPi (or something) as a phone.
<emOne>
There is a sim card module that will turn your pi into a phone psymin
* psymin
nods.
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<emOne>
symbian was actually better than the first version of iOS
<psymin>
sounds like it was open source and then went closed?
<emOne>
symbian had many apps , iOS didn't even support apps
<buzzmarshall>
the raspberrys are actually pretty nice, i just don't like broadcom as they are one of the toughest with technical info but other then that the raspberrys not a bad platform
<emOne>
psymin: it used to be open .. I am not sure what happened now
<emOne>
and why it went closed
<buzzmarshall>
ive got a bunch here but still haven't got a rpi4
<emOne>
pi zero <3
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<psymin>
buzzmarshall, a bunch of pis?
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<buzzmarshall>
2's and 3'
<psymin>
I'm tempted to buy another pi3 but it is hard to justify when 4 is out. Screen tearing was pretty bad w/ LE on that pi4
<buzzmarshall>
just never bought the newest 4
<buzzmarshall>
k
<buzzmarshall>
for years i was a atmel coder so the pi's were a logical step up
<psymin>
neat!
<buzzmarshall>
atmels 32bit arms i don't like
<buzzmarshall>
i moved over to st's but like the pi's
<buzzmarshall>
they make great little boards to build project controllers around
<psymin>
I'll trade you a spare rpi1 for half of an rpi3 D:
<buzzmarshall>
lol
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<emOne>
does that mak a quarter of a pi 4?
<emOne>
:)
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<buzzmarshall>
1 pi
<buzzmarshall>
isnt that a quarter of 4
<emOne>
how many is it?
<emOne>
pi4 has 4 cpu cores :)
<buzzmarshall>
actually if i waste anymore money on boards it will a H2
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<buzzmarshall>
i got a couple of macbook pro mb to repair for someone and told him he can repay me with a h2 and rpi4
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<buzzmarshall>
just haven't gotten around to looking at his macbooks yet as he's overseas for another couple of months
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<psymin>
is there a foss option that works with kodi for archiving DVDs?
<psymin>
s/kodi/le/
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<buzzmarshall>
not sure im following, you mean to use kodi to play and record the media to a drive?
<psymin>
I think that is what I mean. My parents have a huge DVD collection and I was looking into a foss-friendly and legal way for them to move away from their physical media. Not a big deal.
<buzzmarshall>
in light of all the pressure put on kodi over the last few years over digital rights i am not sure what their stance is as they kinda keep stuff like that at arms lenght
<buzzmarshall>
so i am not sure if anyones really gone down that road
<psymin>
makes sense, it is probably a bit too close to a line that can't afford to be crossed
<buzzmarshall>
but in light of the newer devices with more ddr ram i can't see why it couldn't be made to handle it
<buzzmarshall>
ya its the rights thing that might cloud it for them
<buzzmarshall>
but it shouldn't be that hard to do
<buzzmarshall>
just need to alter the decode stream to store packets in ram and process it in whatever manner you need and then dump it to whereever you need
<buzzmarshall>
if you own the originals i can't see it being a issue but thats kinda where the lines get fuzzy
<buzzmarshall>
but decode the transport stream really isnt all that difficult
<mack->
I've never looked at it, so I have no idea if it's parents-friendly
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* psymin
thinks.
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<buzzmarshall>
interesting... i use handbrake all the time and never thought much about that...kinda neat idea
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<lacrimosa>
buzzmarshall: what are you referring to?
<mack->
you could do what I did for my parents. Just borrow their collection and when I had time queue a whole bunch up to rip. Then take back the mkvs or whatever.
<buzzmarshall>
lacrimosa... was a old plugin mack had mentioned and i noticed handbrake was used in it
<buzzmarshall>
just something i had never thought of using handbrake on...
<mack->
it's pretty much all I use handbrake for. Getting stuff into kodi, whether from disc or PVR.
<buzzmarshall>
ya i kept one decent mac machine just to run handbrake when i want to use it
<buzzmarshall>
just never seen that plugin before...its a interesting idea
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<buzzmarshall>
mack- so you just use handbrake then or you using makemkv as well?
<buzzmarshall>
that plugin is interesting but i was thinking more so just the handbrake part
<buzzmarshall>
im not really worried bout just swapping the container which is what i kinda think makemkv does
<buzzmarshall>
i wonder how well handbrake would run under kodi on le... most of the things like ffmpeg and that are already on the box
<buzzmarshall>
its kinda of a interesting idea
<buzzmarshall>
you could use a usb driven dvd/blue drive plugged into the device and write a front for kodi and go from there
<mack->
for pulling recordings out of MythTV, it goes through mythcommflag and handbrakecli. For discs, makemkv then handbrake. Handbrake stopped playing nice with libdvdcss (at least for me) so won't work on retail DVDs. Handbrake never supported blu-ray afaik, so MakeMKV required for aacs keys.
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<emOne>
hello magic internet people
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: o/
<emOne>
are you on the line?
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<buzzmarshall>
k... ya i seem to remember having to rebuild handbrake against someone elses libdvdcss... i'll have to look at that when i get home as its been awhile but i had thoght it would blu's as well but you might be right on that as i don't rip those very often
<buzzmarshall>
hi ther emOne
<emOne>
hello buzz
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: I discovered that my android runs 4.9.113
<emOne>
it is the same kernel as CE
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<buzzmarshall>
i'm just getting ready to book outta work here and then will be back on when i get back home in about 1/2 hour
<buzzmarshall>
as far as CE goes to be honest i am not sure where they are at... but the last time i looked thats about where they were
<emOne>
ehh I keep forgetting about the time zons
<emOne>
yes I checked the kernel and it is the same as my android box
<buzzmarshall>
im' done here at 3 as i only work 3 days aweek now
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: cool cool
<buzzmarshall>
you guys are ahead of me
<buzzmarshall>
i keep forgetting that myself
<emOne>
it has something to do with time travelling buzz
<buzzmarshall>
if your here when i get back we can talk
<emOne>
I bet Canada is an amazing place though
<buzzmarshall>
i quess
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
used to be alot better
<emOne>
Everything used to be a lot better
<buzzmarshall>
but like most things in life things change
<emOne>
heh yes
<emOne>
but some things never change
<buzzmarshall>
i'd sooner be in switzerland
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne>
switzerland is really nice
<emOne>
I have been quite recently
<emOne>
but the life there is super expensive
<emOne>
housing is super expensive
<buzzmarshall>
ya my daughter got married to a swiss a few years ago
<buzzmarshall>
i luved it there
<emOne>
awesome!
<buzzmarshall>
but they split up and she came home
<buzzmarshall>
so i don't get to go anymore
<emOne>
have you had the opportunity to try some swiss cheese or chocolate?
<buzzmarshall>
way to much chocolate
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne>
hehehe nice nice!
<buzzmarshall>
anyways i'll catchup in a bit
<emOne>
cool!
<buzzmarshall>
gotta jet
<emOne>
see you
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<buzzmarshall>
emOne so i had a look at the other guys github and it appears that the normal amlogic projects are still building against 3.14 and the newer amlogic-ng projects are being built against 4.9
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<emOne>
his name is buzzzz ... MARSHALLLL
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: what does ng stand for?
<emOne>
next gen?
<buzzmarshall>
to be honest im not sure but would make that assumption
<buzzmarshall>
originally i thought it was for the next gen of boxes up from the s912/s905
<buzzmarshall>
but then realized that was wrong as it was more about the kernel
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
so i just went with the flow
<buzzmarshall>
next gen or new gen is the way i take it
<buzzmarshall>
its been awhile but i thought i had seen some chat about them being up on 4.19 but after checking it doesn't appear so
<emOne>
what ever they do they shouldn't call the next version the "max" version
<emOne>
boeing 737 classic
<emOne>
B737 NG
<emOne>
B737 MAX :(
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
leave it to boeing to cheap out and go the retrofit way
<buzzmarshall>
at least airbuss designed a new plane
<emOne>
yes I can't believe they actually thought that was a good idea
<buzzmarshall>
was a bad idea from the git go
<emOne>
They should have at least redesigned the wheel assembly so they could stick bigger engines under the plane
<emOne>
the problem was that they didn't have enough room under the wings for the bigger and more efficient engines
<buzzmarshall>
after the all the accidents i seen reports from some engineers that said it was dumb to begin with
<emOne>
so the clever plan was to move the engines UP and in front of the wings
<buzzmarshall>
they moved the engines in
<buzzmarshall>
that threw off the center of grav
<emOne>
yep
<buzzmarshall>
that lead to the new auto stall crap
<buzzmarshall>
thats what happens when you get a big icon of a company worried more about profits and less about safety
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: it is a bit like me trying to transplant a .ko from one OS into the other
<emOne>
without having the blue prints
<buzzmarshall>
i've been following it ever since the 1st crash
<buzzmarshall>
ya for sure
<buzzmarshall>
actually if things were still done the old way moving libs and apps wouldnt be so bad
<buzzmarshall>
but not many statically link things anymore
<buzzmarshall>
everythings using shared dynamic libs now
<buzzmarshall>
so versions become a much bigger issue
<buzzmarshall>
wher'd you get your a95x3 from?
<emOne>
china
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: I ordered it online
<buzzmarshall>
the factory is gonna send me a couple but i dont know when i will get them now with the corona thing going on
<emOne>
the first box I was considering to get was an rk3318
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: I wondered that too actually
<emOne>
I was wondering if we will be able to order things from china any time soon
<buzzmarshall>
the factory's pretty much closed currently
<emOne>
oh woww
<emOne>
where abouts is the factory?
<buzzmarshall>
most of the factory's are around the guangdong area
<emOne>
I got my box from Shenzhen. It was shipped from Shenzhen to HK to Germany
<emOne>
Guangdong is far from wuhan
<buzzmarshall>
its not far from the main trouble spot
<emOne>
oh
<emOne>
:(
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<buzzmarshall>
i think pretty much everything in and around china's closed down or gonna be slow for awhile
<buzzmarshall>
yesterday i heard soemthing about the chinese gov injecting 21billion into the economy trying to prop things up for now
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: I emailed the guy who I ordered from about the wifi driver for the box. He told me he would get back to me after the extended holiay
<emOne>
there is an extended chinese new year holiday because of the virus
<buzzmarshall>
personally i'd be surprised if he does or actually can get it for linux
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<emOne>
me too lol
<buzzmarshall>
i can't name where i get my stuff from but i know when i asked for it they wanted to know why and one of their service guys told me i was on my own as far as the linux part goes
<buzzmarshall>
but he did say he would send me 2 oem boxes
<emOne>
oh wow that is very cool!
<emOne>
very nice buzz!
<emOne>
they know you are up to no good lol
<emOne>
what is the actual make of this box?
<emOne>
I have found two companies
<buzzmarshall>
over the years with all the boxs i bought and recommended to other dealers that asked me for evaluation a couple boxes is nothing
<emOne>
cyxtech and nexbox
<emOne>
yea
<emOne>
reviews = sales
<buzzmarshall>
when i started i designed a couple of closed systems for some dealers here in na and then they just set up their own deals
<buzzmarshall>
but the factory knew who directed those guys to them
<emOne>
I just checked the extended chinese holidays ended 2 days ago
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: very cool
<buzzmarshall>
as the laws against offshore streamming changed here in Can i kinda backed out of doing that now for the last couple of years
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: I tried to email cyxtech about the drivers.. But my email bounced
<buzzmarshall>
i don't need to be on a watch list again
<buzzmarshall>
haha
<emOne>
I got the email address from their website too
<buzzmarshall>
ive been doing business in the asian market for along time and its easy to get burned
<buzzmarshall>
so i learned along time ago to deal with the main players as its just to hard to know who and how big some dealer is that selling stuff
<emOne>
oh yes absolutely
<emOne>
there is no point in talking to dealers about firmware when you should be talking directly to the factory
<emOne>
the problem is that it is sometimes hard to know where the factory is
<buzzmarshall>
chinas a weird place to buy from as so many dealers advertise big but are really just running to the factory to pick up stuff and in some cases their buying returns to the plant and reselling them as new
<emOne>
oh yes
<buzzmarshall>
and they know that no ones gonna hop on a plane and fly there over a few bucks
<emOne>
as I ordered the a95x I was joking how some guy who wants to earn extra cash has run to the markets to find the best deal
<buzzmarshall>
theres lots of good places tho its just hard to know unless you either have dealt with them or know someone that has
<emOne>
I am pretty sure that is what actually happens unless you order in bulk
<emOne>
oh yes
<emOne>
my best bet is that you need to actually be there in shenzhen if you want to order in bulk
<buzzmarshall>
i oncec got burnt on that with a high def camera i bought for my microscrope
<emOne>
:/
<emOne>
that sucks
<emOne>
did you manage to return the product?
<buzzmarshall>
i got the thing and it had chips not done and missing from the board
<emOne>
that is really scummy from the factory that sent it to you
<emOne>
did you get a refund?
<buzzmarshall>
eventually i just went to actual maker and found out the guys advertising on ali were actually buying from the main factory the rma'd returns
<buzzmarshall>
meanwhile on ali and few other places these guys are like big time dealers
<buzzmarshall>
actually the factory made it right with me and sent me a board to repair the faulty camera as well as their newer model
<emOne>
I find that chinese dealers on ali are usually willing to send a replacement or issue a refund when ordering parts
<buzzmarshall>
they were really good about it
<emOne>
yes
<emOne>
I have ordered a gps module before that was faulty
<buzzmarshall>
but the dealer i bought it from didn't do anything and last time i looked was still selling them on ali
<emOne>
oh wow
<emOne>
that is messed up
<emOne>
and to be fair the factory shouldn't lose those faulty rma'd parts
<buzzmarshall>
well to alot of them the north american markets are like a gold mine
<emOne>
yep
<buzzmarshall>
i thnk over the years its getting better tho
<buzzmarshall>
one thing i will say tho is man no one can mass produce stuff like they do
<emOne>
the first time I ordered from china was about 10 years ago
<emOne>
the part went missing in transit
<emOne>
they sent out another one without a question
<emOne>
that too didn't arrive
<emOne>
in the end all three came at the same time
<emOne>
I told them about it
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne>
and they just told me to keep the parts and enjoy them
<buzzmarshall>
ya there pretty good at them some times
<buzzmarshall>
once i had a shipment of 50 m8s's sent to me by mistake
<emOne>
ooh nice lol
<buzzmarshall>
it was some other dealer in canada that was supposed to get it
<emOne>
LOL
<emOne>
hahahaha
<emOne>
that is such a fail
<buzzmarshall>
the sales people i used to deal with actually called me and i told them i got it
<emOne>
"come and get them... if you dare :)"
<buzzmarshall>
so i relayed the shipment to the canadian guy minus 10 boxes they told me to keep for my trouble
<emOne>
no way!!!!
<emOne>
seriously??!?!?!
<buzzmarshall>
some new girl sent to my customer profile by mistake
<emOne>
wow that is awesome
<emOne>
ehh it must be amazing knowing the big players
<buzzmarshall>
she didn't want to get into trouble so she arranged for me to keep a few
<buzzmarshall>
everythings made in asia these days
<buzzmarshall>
thats what kills me about stupid trump
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
make america great
<emOne>
watch the video .. that is pretty much the game plan how I will fix the wifi chip
<emOne>
:D :D :D
<buzzmarshall>
as bill gatess said
<emOne>
lol maga
<buzzmarshall>
its kinda hard to make the US great in such a short time period as they have basically invested nill in manufacturing for the last 10 or more years
<buzzmarshall>
meanwhile asia has heavily invested
<buzzmarshall>
so pretty much most US products are probably at some part made in asia someplace
<emOne>
the new mac pro was a bit of a fail
<emOne>
regarding the claim that it would be made in the US
<buzzmarshall>
americas heavily invested in real estate and let manufacturing go down hill
<emOne>
house of cards
<emOne>
but americans aren't stupid either.. They have a game plan when it comes to finances
<emOne>
they are pretty good at the game too
<buzzmarshall>
ya thats kinda what they about now which i have no problem with
<buzzmarshall>
but the when someone like trump stands up blasting the asian he just looks like a ignorant fool
<buzzmarshall>
hell if china ever tried to cash it in its US treasure bonds it would bankrupt the US
<buzzmarshall>
economists been saying that for years now
<emOne>
sure but no one wants that
<emOne>
not even china
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<buzzmarshall>
personally i just wish most of the big countries would learn to get along better and worry more about the global polution and crap
<emOne>
word
<emOne>
me too
<emOne>
war should be something of the past imho
<emOne>
global pollution is a great cause to get behind too
<emOne>
so are things like fighting viruses and diseases
<buzzmarshall>
i was born in a democratic country and luck for that but over the years learned to see how things are in other places around the world and like most things no one really has the right way
<emOne>
finding cures
<buzzmarshall>
yep.... good old mother nature will always find a way to fight back
<emOne>
during the black death outbreak something like 100 million people died to the disease
<emOne>
can you even imagine that
<buzzmarshall>
and in the mean time its the ultra rich big corps that are killing the planet and to them communist or democracy really don't matter any more
<buzzmarshall>
well mother natures not gonna go peacefully
<buzzmarshall>
and we meaning humans are our own worst enemy
<psymin>
maybe nature will have a preemptive strike?
<buzzmarshall>
thats what i think
<emOne>
mother nature is scary
<buzzmarshall>
im old enough to have watched alot of the cold war crap and nuclear stupidy which i don't think any of the parties would be dumb enough to actually start
<emOne>
MAD
<buzzmarshall>
mutually assured destruction kinda sees to that
<buzzmarshall>
ya
<buzzmarshall>
but with govs playin with micro organisms and other shit
<buzzmarshall>
that stuff is way worse as its a desease and knows no boundaries
<buzzmarshall>
one stupid accident is all it would take
<emOne>
I can't even imagine how it was like for people who lived through the cold war
<emOne>
especially in north america
<emOne>
because for a russian the cold war would have been different imho
<buzzmarshall>
yet you get the dumb ass military types that on all sides seem to think that biological crap would be good as it doen'st wreck the infrastructure
<buzzmarshall>
i more of a 60's era but all of our parents went thru the cold war commy crap
<buzzmarshall>
and being a rebellious person by nature seen how screwed up my parents generation were
<emOne>
living in paranoia and fear is never a good thing for anyone
<emOne>
it must have been deeply rooted into the people at the time
<buzzmarshall>
yes thats true
<emOne>
I watched some PSA type educational material that explained that you should "duck and cover" in case of a nuclear detonation
<emOne>
that kind of stuff is just insanity
<buzzmarshall>
me being canadain is somewhat better as canada never really promoted the whole identity thing here as we've allway promoted multicultural stuff
<emOne>
canada <3
<buzzmarshall>
but with the US being our neibour we inherited some of that
<emOne>
you are also all very apologetic apparently heh
<buzzmarshall>
i worked for a US company for about 10 until they sent everything to mexico
<emOne>
and you guys have some great maple syrup
<buzzmarshall>
and the whole patriot thing in the US is kinda crazy at times
<buzzmarshall>
yep we got the best maple syrup
<buzzmarshall>
i hate politics as i see it just as another method of the choosen few to dictate to the masses no matter what polical system your stuck it
<buzzmarshall>
sorry in
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<buzzmarshall>
i find the normal people are our level pretty much no matter where you are
<buzzmarshall>
all have the same basic issues and desires
<buzzmarshall>
thats the one thing that i always luved about the net
<emOne>
the "russian troll" was the greatest scam of the century in my opinion
<buzzmarshall>
its easy to meet and chat with peeps all over the world
<emOne>
yep
<emOne>
and it is a beautiful thing that should stay that way
<emOne>
I think the "russian troll" narrative was a tool to take away the whole aspect of meeting people on the internet
<buzzmarshall>
could be
<emOne>
it was also a way to silence people who were not happy with how things were handled by their own governments
<emOne>
well it would be easy
<emOne>
just claim that all the unhappy people voicing their negative opinions are trolls and bots from another country
<emOne>
and just to make things worse I am sure that those very same governments starting to be toxic in chats and comments themselves
<emOne>
to provoke the situation
<buzzmarshall>
because i started out on the net before it was the net i find the whole thing kinda funny as for years not business nor the goverments even believed in it so it was us hackers that used it
<emOne>
next step is to get news companies to disable the comment boxes because of hate speech
<buzzmarshall>
yes thats true
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<emOne>
I live in Germany right now ... all the news companies have removed their comment sections
<emOne>
the comment section on the BBC website was always nice
<emOne>
it has gone too
<emOne>
you used to be able to comment on every single news article
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<emOne>
now you cannot comment on any single article
<emOne>
In Germany it was even more interesting
<emOne>
the comment section got removed in steps
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<emOne>
in 2014 and 2015 Germany let in a lot of refugees from Syria
<buzzmarshall>
yes i seen that
<emOne>
a lot of Germans were against that
<buzzmarshall>
man thats really hurt germany
<emOne>
all the comment boxes for articles related to Syrian refugees were locked
<buzzmarshall>
dont get me wrong as i am not against it but its not right that germany had to absorb that many
<emOne>
the only places where you could comment were news about russia and putin
<emOne>
and those news were always put in a negative light
<emOne>
germany didn't even absorb many
<buzzmarshall>
thats the thing now with most governments finally starting to understand the power of the internet as they all try and control the flow of media
<buzzmarshall>
well they took in way more then here in NA
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<buzzmarshall>
Canada's taken some but the US aint
<buzzmarshall>
and the ones in that region that are actually in the mess take none
<emOne>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
it breaks my heart when i see all those refugees leaving their homes
<buzzmarshall>
i cant even begin to imagine having to pack up and leave with nothing more the what i can carry
<emOne>
yes
<emOne>
ask your neighbours about it
<emOne>
many people left for a better life
<emOne>
I don't know if it is a good or bad thing
<buzzmarshall>
so i can appreciate the countries that take in what they can even at the behest of angrering their own countryman
<emOne>
I think the real tragedy was to control the information on the internet
<emOne>
everything else is an opinion
<emOne>
but those opinions should be voiced
<buzzmarshall>
i agree
<emOne>
to take away the voice ... now that is a different matter
<emOne>
quite scary too
<emOne>
it was done in stages
<buzzmarshall>
the issue is tho that some big companies understood the idea of data collection and the value in selling for things like demographics
<buzzmarshall>
that just started the snow ball down the hill
<buzzmarshall>
then the govs see and come to realize the power in that type of control
<buzzmarshall>
and they all want to use it against their own citizens
<buzzmarshall>
and your right
<emOne>
real power is the power of love <3
<buzzmarshall>
its allways a little here and then a little there
<buzzmarshall>
then its gone
<emOne>
yp
<emOne>
that just shows that it was a very calculated and coordinated action
<emOne>
it wasn't random or a coincidence
<emOne>
it happened with all major news and media outlets at the same time
<emOne>
fake news
<emOne>
lol
<emOne>
fake news
<emOne>
russian trolls
<emOne>
bots
<emOne>
it was the biggest scam .. the people telling you that you were being mind controlled by the internet,,, were the once who were controlling your mind
<emOne>
and when you are at that stage it actually means that fake news can now spread ..
<buzzmarshall>
for sure... social engineering is pretty much the premise now with marketing to the point most people don't even stop and think about it
<emOne>
and here I am trying to get my wifi to work lol
<buzzmarshall>
hey... im gonna go and eat but will be back
<emOne>
"Trump acquitted by Senate in impeachment trial"
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: bon apetite
<emOne>
I will be back later on
<buzzmarshall>
and if you want to chat maybe we can move off to another chan as i am not sure if its ok to carry on here with this general stuff
<emOne>
lol true we went off topic
<buzzmarshall>
hopefully its cool with peeps here but i can respect if they'd rather we move out to someplace else
<emOne>
heh true
<buzzmarshall>
k... back in a bit
<emOne>
PM me any time
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<emOne>
what device would the following be referring to? gxl_p211.dts
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<emOne>
nvm
<emOne>
it is some sort of amlogic board
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