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<Strykar> ssh isn't starting on a fresh install of LE on an Odroid C2, the web interface starts
<Strykar> I've reinstalled twice, no change. if it makes any difference, same issue on coreelec :/
<davu> Did you enabled it at the LE Settings->services after installation?
<Strykar> davu: is that via the web interface? its a headless install
<davu> LibreELEC is not meant to be used headless
<davu> and no, it's not done via the webinterface
<davu> what sense does a mediacenter (what Kodi is) make if you run it headless?
<Strykar> it's headless atm in my room, the tv is in the living room. sec, reinstalling LE
<Strykar> I could connect a monitor to it
<davu> that doesn't answer my question. What sense does that make? How do you connect your TV?
<Strykar> I was hoping to move the SBC to the tv after setting it up here
<davu> and be aware that the LE version you are using for Ordroid is no longer supported. As I guess you are using LE 9.0.2 which uses Kodi 18.2 and therefore it's outdated
<davu> but now it makes sense....LE uses an installation wizard which asks for enabling SSH during first run
<davu> So you never saw that if you try to install it without a monitor connected to it
<davu> And again...it doesn't make sense to install a mediacenter without a monitor connected to it ;)
<Strykar> how do I get a 9.2.6 version for the C2? https://libreelec.tv/downloads_new/odroid_c2/ doesn't show it
<davu> There's no newer release for that hardware yet
<asdf28> if you have access to the boot files, try to add "ssh" to the kernel command line
<davu> ^^ that would be another option
<davu> but it's a bit tricky to add something to the kernel boot line if you don't have SSH access to that machine ;)
<davu> one is able to unplug the SD card, true
<davu> but still a bit tricky
<davu> using the installation wizard is the official way to enable SSH during installation or using the GUI afterwards
<asdf28> yes, you would need to insert the SD card into another machine
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<asdf28> you could also try to create an empty file /storage/.cache/services/sshd.conf
<asdf28> this will enable SSH on some (all?) versions of LE, i believe
<davu> how, if you can't ssh to that machine? Only via unplugging the SD card. Correct?
<asdf28> yes, obviously
<Strykar> asdf28: thanks
<davu> be aware that the installation wizard does more than only en-/disabling SSH
<davu> But everything of that can be done after installation as well
<davu> anyway...at least there's no issue with LE ;)
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<davu> asdf28, If I understand the sshd.service correctly the existence of that sshd.conf folder is not the only condition:
<davu> So the kernel command line needs to have the ssh flag and the folder needs to exist
<davu> at least, that's how I understand the service file
<asdf28> just one of the conditions needs to be true
<asdf28> as far as i remember
<davu> ok, then I misunderstood that ;)
<asdf28> the pipe symbol | does this
<davu> ah, thanks
<asdf28> no, you're not wrong, normally all conditions need to be met
<asdf28> but that was new to me, too
<davu> indeed...learned something new. On the one hand, I really like systemd services. But writing them is a PITA
<davu> As I haven't found any good docs about that yet
<asdf28> yes, especially the dependencies can be confusing, it's sometimes hard to find what caused it
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<Strykar> can I ssh in and edit the YT config and put in the API details via terminal?
<Strykar> enabling the webserver which looked like it might give me a form at http://kodi:8080/api isnt working
<oblikoamorale> sure, edit addon configs, restart device
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<Strykar> welp, put in the API and keys... the YT plugin throws a 401, invalid client type
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<Strykar> finally!
<Strykar> so is it cool to ask CoreELEC Qs in here?
<pragmaticenigma> depends
<Strykar> just realized I didn't reinstall core to LE whilst trying to get ssh working
<pragmaticenigma> but honestly, this is for LibreElec... CoreElec is a different build and they do have their own support forum. A better place to find CoreElec specific help
<Strykar> yea im registering on their forum now, but I prefer IRC and they dont even have a channel :/
<Strykar> what's the reason there isn't an LE 9.2.6 release for the Odroid C2?
<pragmaticenigma> just different focuses... the primary difference is the Amlogic hardware... RPi doesn't have it, Odroids do
<Strykar> I know they're different hardware, I'm wondering why its lagging behind by so much, I thought I read the LE devs had hardkernel SBCs
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<asdf28> Strykar: the odoid c2 has an amlogic S905 chip, right?
<asdf28> as such, it should be supported by libreelec
<asdf28> it's just not official yet
<asdf28> but there should be plenty of inofficial builds for this chip that you can try
<thresh> Strykar, iirc the main problem was the lack of new kernels for odroid c2
<chewitt> has a nasty audio glitch tho, mind your tweeters
<chewitt> all is sonically fab until machine-gun-noise kicks in :)
<chewitt> there's a buffer underrun to be found somewhere
<chewitt> also the usual vdec issues to be fixed..
<chewitt> support for the 3.14 vendor kernel ended with LE 9.0, hence no LE 9.2 image
<chewitt> the current issue is not lack of kernels, but lack of competent developers taking an interest in the mainline kernel
<chewitt> overall performance of modern kernels is great, but the media stuff is behind
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<Strykar> chewitt: thanks for clearing that up.. the kernel lagging mainline has plagued this board since release. what's a recommended SBC with good LE support and a recent kernel? I'm rethinking upgrading to a C4 unless that's well supported
<chewitt> C4 has better audio, but otherwise the same challenges as the C2
<chewitt> from a mainline perspective
<Strykar> good ol Amlogic eh
<chewitt> CE would be an option there tho
<Ommand> is rpi not just the benchmark>
<Strykar> Ommand: for LE maybe, not as a performance SBC
<Ommand> we are talking about for LE use here though, aren't we?
<chewitt> RPi4 will be the one to beat for support, the engagement from pi foundation is (as always) in a different league to other vendors
<chewitt> but not smooth sailing in the immediate future due to the GBM/V4L2 transition
<chewitt> RPi4 LE10 is currently a regression over LE9.2
<chewitt> that will change, but we're not there yet
<chewitt> there is currently about 5000% more effort going into RPi4 than anything else (effort in general, not just LE effort)
<Strykar> what kernels are the RPi3B+ and 4 running on LE
<chewitt> 9.2 = 4.19
<chewitt> 10 = 5.10+
<Strykar> so the 4'd be a solid buy
<chewitt> should be 5.10++++ given the amount of not-yet-upstream code
<chewitt> but there is a huge upstreaming effort
<chewitt> this time around pi foundation can afford to pay people to do it all properly :)
<pragmaticenigma> Rpi4 has it's hardware issues, some resolved. Active cooling, or large heat syncs are highly recommended for media playback
<Strykar> does Hardkernel only supply LE with boards and nothing else?
<Strykar> pragmaticenigma: good to know, I always get a metal case as a heatsink, even my C2 sits in one
<pragmaticenigma> I'm still running Pi2's here... haven't seen much reason to upgrade at the moment, though it has been tempting
<Strykar> the 2GB RPi4 is even cheaper than what the C2 was for years ago, seems really tempting
<pragmaticenigma> think I would recommend the 4 or or higher versions though, 4k requires some muscle
<pragmaticenigma> *4GB
<Strykar> orly?
<Strykar> the 8GB prices OTOH.. straight up twice that of the 2GB
<chewitt> Strykar what do you expect HK to supply LE with?
<pragmaticenigma> I think he's talking about reference boards to develop with... which I would be surprised if anyone did that
<chewitt> our testing shows RPi4 2G is the minimum; stats show 4GB to be the most popular
<chewitt> HK are rubbish at sending me samples in advance, but have always been happy to send me anything I asked for
<Strykar> chewitt: I see
<chewitt> I have quite a few HK boards as a result
<chewitt> I seem to do most of their upstreaming on Amlogic these days .. largely as i'm too impatient to wait for them to do it
<chewitt> also made possible because adding board support is largely a copy/paste device-tree exercise these days
<chewitt> the upstream codebase is very well structured and simple to work with
<chewitt> it's just weak on media capabilities
<Strykar> which to me seems weird, the C2 supported 4K@60 back when it came out, I kinda expected the opposite for amlogic socs moving forward
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<chewitt> there is maybe ~5% code inheritance between the vendor kernel and current mainline kernel
<chewitt> and that's rounding up
<chewitt> for an S905 device the main issue to a usable board right now is an audio glitch
<Strykar> so when you say "the upstream codebase is very well structured and simple to work with"..
<chewitt> it's been completely re-written around modern kernel frameworks
<chewitt> the vendor 3.14 kernel is functional but fcuking horrid code
<chewitt> poorly documented and full of magic values
<chewitt> and it predates most of the kernel frameworks for media support, so it's all Amlogic homebrew
<chewitt> once you start to "fix" things in it, you quickly end up down a rabbit hole where fixing one thing breaks another
<chewitt> and then you realise the only true fix requires you to refactor a huge chunk of code
<chewitt> that effort is best directed towards building new code, not fixing old stuff
<Strykar> how's Amlogic's code for the C4, that was a recent release
<chewitt> it has 85% of the same code from the 3.14 kernel forward ported to Linux 4.9 and with more tacked on to deal with newer audio hardware and other capabilities
<Strykar> joy
<chewitt> quality probably improved a bit since it was an evolution of proven code, but it's still rather fugly
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