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<Web-aptosid876_> I guess composite video output works on the mk808C
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<Rhys79> So, has anyone successfully built an image for an A20 based device using the BSP?
<Rhys79> The Livesuit script is looking for sunxi-bsp/allwinner-tools/livesuit/a20/eGon/storage_media/nand/boot0.bin which does not seem to exist....
<Rhys79> Can I rename the a10 folder to a20 and have it work?
<Rhys79> I guess I'll find out as I'm trying it now....
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<Rhys79> Well that's strange, u-boot-env-gen won't run??
<Rhys79> says "command not found" even if I do a ./ in the directory it's in....
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<wingrime> hramrach: ping
<wingrime> hramrach: FREXT_Hi10P vdecoder/libve/src/h264/h264_vars.h
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<rigo> hi
<rigo> is there a way to install custom driver on linux sunxi? to be more specific the s2-liplianin-v39 driver pack
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<Superpelican> buZz: Any news on the missing PoV Protab 2 XXL config?
<Superpelican> buZz: I think I just solved it
<Superpelican> buZz: Now I've got another problem though: "make: arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc: Command not found"
<Superpelican> I installed the gcc-4.8-arm-linux-gnueabihf package
<Superpelican> I'm on (X)ubuntu 13.10
<Superpelican> x86_64
<rm> ln -sf `which arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-4.8` /usr/local/bin/arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc
<rm> try that
<rm> I had the same problem, no idea why
<rm> this is a workaround
<Superpelican> hmm I just ran the arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc command myself and got "The program 'arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf"
<Superpelican> so now installing that
<Superpelican> rm: apparently that gcc-4.8-arm-linux-gnueabihf package wasn't enough, apt-get now reports: "The following NEW packages will be installed: cpp-arm-linux-gnueabihf gcc-4.8-multilib-arm-linux-gnueabihf gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf libc6-armel-armhf-cross libc6-armel-cross libc6-dev-armel-armhf-cross libc6-dev-armel-cross libsfasan0-armhf-cross libsfatomic1-armhf-cross libsfgcc-4.8-dev-armhf-cross libsfgcc1-armhf-cross libsfgom
<Superpelican> rm: It's now making make'ing
<Superpelican> rm: Looks like it just finished with success
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<aep> so i got the mali blob thing to load into fbturbo, but its still dog slow and still no GL
<aep> i wonder what else to do :/
<TheSeven> what's the state on MTD support and uboot SPL these days?
<TheSeven> is that usable to boot linux from nand already?
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<torindel> aep: keep in mind that those are gles not gl libs
<torindel> so diffrent tools to check/test
<aep> well the test/test thing in https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-mali.git fails
<aep> Error: eglCreateWindowSurface failed: 0x00003005
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<ssvb> aep: run ldd on the test program
<Nazcafan> kudos to the free electons guys for creating the linux cross reference
<ssvb> aep: and check which shared libraries it depends on
<aep> ssvb: not sure what to check there. the libEGL it uses is libMali.so
<aep> same for libGLESv2
<megal0maniac> "if an Android image is installed on NAND Flash and a Linux Image is installed on SD card, once you boot into Linux system from SD card, you will not be able to boot into Android system unless you re-install the image"
<ssvb> aep: check if it is not actually loading mesa shared libraries
<aep> nope, pretty sure
<megal0maniac> Is this a known issue on A20 based devices?
<torindel> aep: if it uses libmali for everything check that you have /dev/mali with correct permisions
<ssvb> aep: so the ldd log looks sane, that's good
<aep> i'm root
<aep> whut, it works after a reboot
<torindel> megal0maniac: that means your android/linux image provider fucked something up ^^
<megal0maniac> torindel: Apparently (because I didn't test this personally, and the internet is full of lies,) this affects many (presumably all) A20 boards with many different images
<megal0maniac> My assumption is that Linux writes to flash for some reason
<megal0maniac> I don't know what, or why, but I've had the same problem and I don't see how Android could be the culprit
<ssvb> aep: ok, that's good :)
<aep> yeah, except still mplayer is too slow
<aep> i guess i need a player that does gles
<ssvb> aep: no, mplayer does not need mali
<aep> well, sure, it can use software scaling, but thats whats too slow
<ssvb> aep: are you trying something like 1080p videos?
<aep> yeah, with rotation
<aep> the decoding part is fine, the rotation is the issue
<ssvb> rotation?
<aep> the screen is rotated 90 degree
<megal0maniac> Although if Linux is installed on NAND then it's fine. So I don't know...
<aep> software rendering is too slow to do that
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<aep> hence i was hoping for it to use gl(es) to do that, but -vo gl uses gl, not gles
<ssvb> aep: by using Option "Rotate" in xorg.conf?
<aep> yeah
<nove> megal0maniac: i heard something about, if the nand driver cant understand the format of the nand, it will do unconditional format
<ssvb> aep: yes, this is absolutely horrible, highly non-recommended to use
<torindel> are gles => gl glue libs worth it? or uber slow anyway?
* torindel adds it to todo list to test
<megal0maniac> nove: That seems silly given that an SD image shouldn't need to touch the NAND
<ssvb> aep: none of the accelerated features work, and you get an extra software rotation step and and extra intermediate memory buffer
<aep> ssvb: yah, i noticed that it only works for half the X stack anyway :(
<nove> megal0maniac: the silly in the nand driver from allwinner
<ssvb> aep: why do you need rotation?
<aep> because the screen is physically rotated
<ssvb> aep: do you have some unusual hardware?
<aep> nah, its a regular lcd connected with lvds
<aep> but, mounted 90 degree rotated
<ssvb> "you are holding it wrong" :)
<aep> :D
<nove> megal0maniac: the format of the nand changed in new androids, but the linux-sunxi nand driver i think still uses the old one
<nove> megal0maniac: but there others that know more than i, about this
<torindel> aep: get lvds connector that does hardware rotation and you wont have problem xd
<ssvb> aep: are you using it as a regular linux desktop, or want to run some specialized software on it?
<megal0maniac> I see. That's enough to get the ball rolling though. Thanks :)
<ssvb> aep: like, for example, just a media player?
<megal0maniac> nove: libnand is a binary blob?
<aep> torindel: err, i can just turn around the lvds signal? i thought its hardcoded into something which way is row and which is column
<aep> ssvb: a browser :(
<aep> ssvb: which means no gl on fb
<torindel> aep: nope
<aep> torindel: is that a no i cannot rotate it or yes i can? :D
<torindel> no you cannot rotate signals
<aep> right
<aep> i tried moving around some pins and it just stopped working
<ssvb> aep: I don't think that the display controller supports rotation (or maybe I'm wrong?), but g2d does
<ssvb> aep: just nobody has ever asked for accelerating rotation :)
<aep> :D
<aep> i guess the best approach would be to put everything i want on fb with gles
<aep> instead of using X
<nove> megal0maniac: the old we have source, but the newer still only a blob
<aep> thats the kind of day you wish wayland would actually work :(
<megal0maniac> nove: One day we will have mtd :)
<torindel> nove: we could just remove that silly format thing from the opensource one, if what you written is true
<ssvb> aep: how does wayland help with anything?
<ssvb> aep: gles can also do rotation in X
<aep> oh neat
<aep> so i need to teach mplayer to do gles?
<aep> or use some other player
<aep> for the browser, i'll think about it later
<aep> just disables rotation, and video plays butter smooth obviously :/
<ssvb> aep: mplayer supports gles, but needs to be compiled in a special way
<nove> torindel: yes, but i am only speaking what i read, never used nand
<nove> aep: why not instead rotate the video, or the web content
<torindel> nove: i dont have that problem since i dont use new android + linux ;]
<aep> nove: the first would be easy, the second is kinda hard :D
<aep> whut it works with -vo gl!
<aep> magic
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<megal0maniac> nove: Any idea who would know more? It doesn't seem to be documented anywhere
<megal0maniac> libv_ seems to know at least something about everything :P
<megal0maniac> And everything about some things
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<hramrach> wingrime: ?
<nove> megal0maniac: maybe searching in logs for nand will give you some idea
<megal0maniac> Hmmm... Good idea
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<wingrime> hramrach: maybe cedar support 10bit
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<nove> wingrime: my guess, that part is from the bitstream parser, not related to hardware
<wingrime> nove: maybe
<wingrime> nove: I added rmvb
<wingrime> nove: but sad there is no encoder regs
<nove> wingrime: yes, to find more about isp
<wingrime> nove: but ARGB seems is alpha blender that we are looked for
<wingrime> nove: are you plan add new regs to parser
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<wingrime> nove: I hope we will deal with interlanced
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<nove> wingrime: but is a bit odd, i wouldn't be surprise if the A of ARGB, is for Anaglyph
<wingrime> nove: I see "alpha" in tags
<wingrime> in bitfields
<wingrime> nove: also seems 1633 can also yv12_output_enable
<wingrime> nove: and interesting news , we have new F2C700 soc
<wingrime> nove: cortex a8
<nove> wingrime: how it can be used to blend to a decoded video frame? this looks a separated block that is used alone
<wingrime> nove: so, who do YUV to RGB?
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<wingrime> nove: can it be codec->ANAGLYPH->ARGB-> rgb output?
<wingrime> nove: for anaglyph you should shift R G B
<wingrime> nove: and blend
<nove> wingrime: too weird, maybe this are vestiges of old hardware, this ARGB registers have "not used in 1633."
<wingrime> nove: 1633 have no MAF too
<wingrime> nove: a23 is chap IC
<wingrime> nove: maybe a13 have no it too
<nove> wingrime: A31 and A23, maybe is like A10/A20, same video engine
<wingrime> nove: maybe not as SOC id != cedar id
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<wingrime> 0x1625 - A13
<nove> yes
<wingrime> nove: yuv2rgb_mode : 2; \/\/* 00: YCC, 01: BT601, 10: BT709.$/;" m struct:VETOP_REG_ANAGLYPH_CONTROL
<wingrime> nove: seems anaglyph do YVU->RBG convection
<wingrime> ssvb: ping
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<wingrime> ssvb: there is any advantage for us do YVU->RGB on cedar side?
<wingrime> libv_: ^
<wingrime> nove: anaglyph_proc_mode : 3; \/\/* 000: read\/bule, 001: red\/green, 010: red cyan, 011: color, 100: half color, 101: optimized, 110: yello\/blue, 111: reserved
<Dodger78> anyone running 3.15rc on cubietruck/board ?
<wingrime> nove: seems we just need "color" for YVU -> RGB
<ssvb> wingrime: maybe yes, but it would be more useful to somehow get planar yuv from cedar
<nove> wingrime: that "color" look like also a type anaglyph image
<wingrime> ssvb: a23 according tags have new yv12 output ability
<wingrime> nove: looks like anaglyph module form some channels , that should be mixed somehow (ARGB?)
<wens> Dodger78: yeah
<wingrime> nove: but we have r,g,b anaglyph output mode
<wingrime> nove: err
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<wingrime> nove: buffers
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<nove> wingrime: output buffers for the final anaglyph image
<wingrime> jemk: I stat thinking that Anaglyph module form spectral channels that ARGB should mix
<wingrime> nove: I still think way to do just YVU->RGB
<wingrime> nove: there way
<wingrime> nove: are you tested anaglyph mode in android?
<nove> wingrime: would be good to have, but i am pessimist
<wingrime> nove: android switch anaglyp mode fast anought
<nove> wingrime: no, didn't know about that
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<libv_> Superpelican: have you read the wiki page of that device?
<wingrime> nove: just checked tablet
<wingrime> nove: a10, aw player have all modes
<wingrime> nove: but seems not all works
<wingrime> nove: "color" and "half color" are too some anaglyph modes
<wingrime> nove: but there some non anaglyh mix modes
<wingrime> nove: but they not works for some reason
<libv_> wingrime: if cedar can be set to output rgb on the fly, then we can save a step in the display engine
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<wingrime> nove: also, there left and right anaglyph, and left and right
<wingrime> nove: interlanced modes strangly not works
<nove> wingrime: interesting, so the binaries work with that
<libv> Superpelican: http://linux-sunxi.org/Inet_1
<wingrime> nove: 000: read\/bule, 001: red\/green, 010: red cyan, 011: color, 100: half color, 101: optimized, 110: yello\/blue, are presend
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<wingrime> nove: but I not see simple blending
<wingrime> nove: can you trace andorid ?
<nove> wingrime: that was what i have been thinking
<Superpelican> libv: I know
<Superpelican> I've seen it
<Superpelican> I should contribute to that page
<Superpelican> I think I have some useful information
<Superpelican> for example the original script.bin
<Superpelican> and I have also converted it to a .fex
<Superpelican> so it could be added sunxi-boards
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<Superpelican> not an expert though
<nove> wingrime: but for sure will be a pain to do so
<wingrime> nove: you just need tracer build with bionc, and mediaserver should be warped around it
<Superpelican> libv: BTW you aren't the developer of Lima? ;)
<shineworld> How to remove some defaults in uboot so my root= in uEnv.txt is the only ? during boot I've saw : [ 0.000000] Kernel command line: console=ttyS0,115200 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait loglevel=8 panic=10 root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 loglevel=8 rootwait console=ttyS0,115200 rw init=/init mac_addr=E2:40:02:93:5D:59
<shineworld> where root is defined two times
<shineworld> in uEnv.txt I'm using:
<shineworld> extraargs=root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 loglevel=8 rootwait console=ttyS0,115200 rw init=/init mac_addr=E2:40:02:93:5D:59
<wingrime> nove: 00: source mode; 01: top\/down or over\/under; 10: line by line; 11: separate
<nove> wingrime: or we just find out how the binaries api works, using the android sources
<wingrime> nove: 01 works
<nove> wingrime: anyway i can't look at it now, maybe in next months
<wingrime> nove: but 10,11 not works
<wingrime> CEDARV_3D_MODE_DOUBLE_STREAM
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<wingrime> for double stream video like MVC and MJPEG.
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<Superpelican> I can now see WiFi networks with iwlist wlan0 scan, but trying to connect with wpa_supplicant results in "Failed to initialize driver interface \n Segmentation Fault" with -D nl80211
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<Superpelican> when omitting -D or using -D wext I get "iotctl[SIOCSIWAP]: Operation not permitted \n ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument"
<nove> wingrime: but this is strange, in a encoder demo they have done a watermark that is blending by software, with this and not using the hardware
<Superpelican> I'm combining wpa_passphrase and wpa_supplicant like https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/WPA_supplicant#wpa_passphrase suggest
<Superpelican> s
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<Superpelican> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/11723/spontaneous-wpa-supplicant-error suggests that it might have something to do with power hiccups etc.
<Superpelican> going to plugin in the tablet and reboot to see if it helps
<Superpelican> ok plugging in and rebooting did not work
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<jemk> wingrime, nove: I could not find a way to use anaglyph as simple yuv to rgb converter, it always changes colors and size
<jemk> if you want to play yourself, wiki is updated with anaglyph register
<nove> jemk: nice, you made it to work?
<jemk> nove: I changed my old mpeg-test a little bit and played around with the control register and it produced funny coloured pictures, if you want to call that work
<nove> jemk: iok
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<libv> Superpelican: by all means, add to that page
<libv> and a proper .fex file to match the wiki page is really what we need there
<libv> i couldn't make out which was which from looking at the wiki and then looking at the .fex file
<Superpelican> libv: Ok, then I'll certainly add it to the wiki, BTW do you have any idea what might be causing those error messages?
<wens> thinking about buying an A31s tv box to play with
<ssvb> jemk: hopefully I'll release a usable dram_trp3 tuner tool by tomorrow's evening :) it seems to be capable of tweaking the phases of individual lanes
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<ssvb> jemk: just testing is really slow, maybe I need to implement a simulator of 'reasonable' memtester results, and plug it in
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<wingrime> jemk: are bits from anglyph are from traces?
<jemk> ssvb: nice, i will try it. It shouldn't be a big problem if it is slow, it should have to be run only once per board type
<jemk> wingrime: no, from trail and error
<wingrime> jemk: how you visualise results?
<jemk> wingrime: disp scaler can use the three plane rgb
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<wingrime> Nice
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<wingrime> jemk: take a look at.rmbv queue regs
<wingrime> Mpeg's mcu start/stop look alike
<Superpelican> Does anyone know if firmware is arch independent?
<Superpelican> (as in firmware for linux network card drivers)
<rm> yes it is
<Superpelican> rm: And where would I need to copy the firmware .bin's to?
<Superpelican> rm: I would like to try to extract the firmware from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek
<rm> I click "list of files" on that page
<rm> and it shows me the file locations
<rm> does not do the same for you?
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<Superpelican> rm: Oh thanks, I've found it! :) https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/firmware-realtek/filelist
<Superpelican> then I'll just manually copy over the firmware and hope for the best ;)
<rm> also what is wrong with just installing the deb?
<rm> or do you not use debian?
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<Superpelican> rm: I'm using Linaro/Ubuntu
<Superpelican> but with a custom kernel
<Superpelican> just an uImage
<rm> unpacking will work, but also the deb could work
<Superpelican> well I copied over all the files
<Superpelican> like the debian page suggested
<Superpelican> but it didn't work
<Superpelican> ran depmod -a to be sure
<Superpelican> and rebooted
<Superpelican> but still the same errors
<torindel> any gcc guru out there? need to know if they fixed optimaling with -mfpu=neon on non-neon aware things (non-neon aware programs compiled -mfpu=vfpv3 where faster), and how goes neon-vfpv4 with that
<Superpelican> getting a bit desperate :(
<torindel> Superpelican: check dmesg?
<torindel> kernel usually says which file and where it cannot found for firmware
<torindel> and ps. you can make firmware_install from your kernel source
<Superpelican> torindel: dmesg reports that the emac driver is disabled, could this cause problems?
<torindel> Superpelican: probably yes, esp if youre trying to use it ;]
<Superpelican> torindel: And would wpa_supplicant use it when trying to connect to a WPA2-PSK WiFi network?
<Superpelican> Also what is very strange is that dmesg reports "ADDRCONF (NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready"
<Superpelican> but I after each boot I have to manually activate wlan0 with ifconfig wlan0 up
<Superpelican> torindel: Ok I've now read the whole dmesg log, nothing about firmware or the rtl8192cu in it
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<torindel> Superpelican: emac driver is for 10/100 cable realtec
<Superpelican> so it isn't needed for WiFi?
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<torindel> as for "ADDRCONF (NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready" thats normal and should show up when wpa_supplicant establishes connection
<Superpelican> well then it's very strange that I have to first manually activate wlan0
<torindel> as for your manuall activation just setup your network correctly maybe? xd
<Superpelican> torindel: What do you mean?
<torindel> Superpelican: dunno what distribution you use but correctly configured network would bring up interface by itself, run wpa_supplicant, get ip from dhcp/whatever by itself
<torindel> without manual intervention
<Superpelican> torindel: using Linaro (Ubuntu Server)
<torindel> Superpelican: gentoo here ^^
<Superpelican> torindel: trying to convert an unused tablet to an Owncloud server :)
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<Dodger78> is it possible to kexec kernels , that need a uboot environment ? im trying to test a new kernel before installing it
<Superpelican> torindel: Got it working with http://linux-sunxi.org/Wifi
<Superpelican> :)
<Superpelican> by editing the /etc/network/interfaces
<Superpelican> & a reboot
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<d3vr> Hello guys, please help me am having trouble trying to root my A23 Q8H tablet... It seems that ADB needs to be enabled but I couldn't figure that out... (http://linux-sunxi.org/Ippo_q8h)
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<wingrime1> jemk: scale_precision vdecoder/libve/src/mpeg2/mpeg2Hal.h /^ volatile unsigned scale_precision : 4; \/\/ scale precision 00: 1\/1 01:1\/2 10: 1\/4 11: 1\/8 $/;"
<wingrime1> jemk: can you try with scale-rot register
<jemk> wingrime1: i know that, it works
<wingrime1> jemk: also , there some nice flags
<wingrime1> try grep struct:__anon456
<wingrime1> enable chroma deblocking
<wingrime1> precision should be in bit8~11$
<wingrime1> Oh
<wingrime1> I find whole bitset
<wingrime1> jemk: I will add soon
<jemk> that could be the bits used in mp4
<wingrime1> jemk: all rot-scale are same
<wingrime1> vp8/mpeg/..
<wingrime1> vdecoder/libve/src/vp8/vp8Hal.h /^ volatile unsigned field_scale_mode : 1; \/\/bit12$/
<wingrime1> hm not match
<wingrime1> scale_precision : 4; \/\/bit8~11$/;
<wingrime1> we have scale_x there
<wingrime1> jemk: good news vp8 have many bitfileds
<wingrime1> jemk: and rotscale
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<hramrach> wingrime1: on amd they implemented 10bit by trashing the extrabits in software before they reach teh hw decoder
<hramrach> and for that they needed header defs
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<wingrime1> jemk: MACC_H264_STATUS, I have added flags, take a look, we now can correctly handle results
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<wingrime1> jemk: Now I know that h264 engine also handle AVS Jisun
<wingrime1> jemk: moreover I have prof
<wingrime1> jemk: also there some "mcri_cache_enable" in H264 ctrl
<jemk> wingrime1: but what is mcri?
<wingrime1> jemk: good question
<wingrime1> jemk: I try search it
<wingrime1> jemk: motion compensated residual image
<wingrime1> jemk: hm, some patent,
<torindel> getting back to my earlier question: any gcc guru out there? need to know if they fixed optimaling with -mfpu=neon on non-neon aware things (non-neon aware programs compiled -mfpu=vfpv3 where faster), and how goes neon-vfpv4 with that
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<wingrime1> jemk: take a look
<wingrime1> jemk: specs are mach
<wingrime1> jemk: older version
<wingrime1> libv: ^^^^
<wingrime1> libv: I need talk to some guys who have deal with powervr
<jemk> wingrime1: im not sure, there are differences. and even if we have this, what would it help, there is no documentation either
<wingrime1> jemk: what different for you
<jemk> wingrime1: the new one can do 4:4:4, we can't do that, the old one talks about some embedded processor for decoding headers
<wingrime1> jemk: 0x3 = YUV 4:4:4
<wingrime1> jemk: in MPEG
<jemk> wingrime1: thats for jpeg decoding, but the output is still only 4:2:2
<wingrime1> jemk: hm
<jemk> wingrime1: and the scaler is not broadcast quality, its a simple linear scaling
<wingrime1> jemk: MACC_MPEG_JPEG_MCU_START, that can possible to be MCU
<wingrime1> jemk: maybe I need check all versions of decoder
<wingrime1> jemk: I sure it can be costrated for some marketshare
<wingrime1> Imagination Technologies Announces Addition of AVS Chinese Video Standard to World-leading Multi-standard Video Core Family
<wingrime1> variants
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<jemk> wingrime1: hm, i don't have any luck with argb. whatever i try to write to the control and queue register, i can't trigger it
<wingrime1> ....
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<wingrime1> Turl_: ping
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<tat> can someone give me a habd
<tat> hand with the mali binary deivers ?
<tat> i have folowing error
<tat> libEGL warning: failed to create a pipe screen for lima
<tat> libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to open lima (search paths /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri:${ORIGIN}/dri:/usr/lib/dri)
<tat> kind of strange to get that error when i have installed the binary drivers from https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-mali
<tat> i use x-server-fbturbo
<tat> any help would be apreciated
<tat> my Xorg.log sayes
<tat> (II) FBTURBO(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: lima
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<Turl_> wingrime1, ok, will do when I am near a PC
<Turl_> tat, mesa is in the way, move it as instructed on wiki
<TheSeven> hm... my cubieboard (A10) just toasted its nand filesystem :/
<TheSeven> lots of files reading all-0xff
<TheSeven> I'd really like to get rid of that crap
<TheSeven> what's the state on MTD support and uboot SPL these days?
<TheSeven> is that usable to boot linux from nand already?
<tat> Turl_: i don't have the mesa lib installed ?
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<tat> ok since i moved them my test has totally stoped working
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<Turl_> tat, are you sure you're running a GLES test? GL is not supported
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