<welchan0s>
ok, that means I should forget XBMC on my Cubietruck for the next time, right?
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<ssvb>
welchan0s: you wanted "any way" to get it running, right? you can do this by using instructions from the wiki
<welchan0s>
"apt-get install xbmc" won't do the job on the Cubietruck, right?
<ssvb>
"apt-get install xbmc" will get you XBMC with software decoded video
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<ssvb>
it might be a bit too slow if you try to play 1080p movies using it
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<welchan0s>
ssvb: I want to use XBMC mainly for getting live streams from Internet. I'd like to use various repositorys, so I can watch at TV channels from foreign countries, or watching movies with subtitles, etc... but all from Internet, not my own local media. Do I need hardware rendering for that or should be "software rendering" enough?
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<ssvb>
welchan0s: I'm not an XBMC guy myself
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<welchan0s>
ssvb: If I installed xbmc from the repository "apt-get install xbmc" and try to run "xbmc" I get the error that no display is found. How do I setup my Cubietruck, so XBMC could be run on the framebuffer?
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<ssvb>
welchan0s: you get a generic XBMC from the generic debian/ubuntu repository, so it's a generic problem and all the support should be provided by XBMC developers (or its debian packagers)
<ssvb>
welchan0s: I presume that it is built in the configuration, which requires a running X server
<welchan0s>
so I think I have to wait for the developers of sunxi to produce a working driver and version for the Cubietruck
<mripard>
welchan0s: or even better, you can help them :)
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<orly_owl>
ssvb: hasnt the cederx driver been reverse engineered to play mp4
<orly_owl>
or rather, a driver has been written using reverse engineering
<ssvb>
orly_owl: yes, but this does not have much to do with XBMC
<ssvb>
orly_owl: you can use mplayer just fine and watch videos
<orly_owl>
even 1080p? with software decoding?
<ssvb>
with the cedarx hardware acceleration
<orly_owl>
thats what i thought
<orly_owl>
guess i should find out what xbmc uses to play video
<rellla>
orly_owl: closed source blobs
<ssvb>
XBMC is an application with its own quirks, somebody needs to patch it before it can be used with cedar acceleration
<orly_owl>
rellla: really? shit >_>
<orly_owl>
oh you mean the cedarx driver
<ssvb>
orly_owl: two options is better than just one or zero :)
<orly_owl>
freedom or nothing baby!
<rellla>
orly_owl: it talks to the cedarx binary via aw's API. it's all hardly implemented in xmbc. espacially in the DVDVideoPlayer
<ssvb>
you can use the blobs, or you can use the open source libvdpau implementation
<ssvb>
the choice is up to you :)
<orly_owl>
vdpau sounds like nvidia gpu stuff
<rellla>
help improving libvdpau_sunxi!
* orly_owl
considers rellla's reques.
<orly_owl>
request.
<ssvb>
not just nvidia, amd supports it too
<orly_owl>
ah
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<rellla>
useable vdpau open's users quite a good amount of various players at once...
<orly_owl>
erm come again?
* rellla
doesn't want to start the pro-con vdpau discussion again ;)
<orly_owl>
you mean useable vdpau allows users to use a variety of video player programs?
<ssvb>
rellla: if I understand it correctly, the xbmc guys require desktop opengl if you want to use vdpau
<rellla>
orly_owl: yes
<orly_owl>
ok
<rellla>
ssvb: yes they use the vdpau interop mode which seems to require opengl. we don't have opengl and i don't know of someone who tried to combine vdpau with opengles.
<ssvb>
so xbmc needs to be fixed and made less picky about these things
<rellla>
ssvb: maybe a possible way would be to use vdpau as decoder only and use empat0's existing mali rendering code for the other things...
<rellla>
don't know, if that would be a possible workaround
<ssvb>
somebody just needs to step in and do this job
* ssvb
does not care about xbmc and wonders why the requests for it are so popular
<rellla>
atm i'm less interested in xbmc, more on vdr and vdpau itself... and i'm not skilled enough, too :p
<rellla>
i never used it and can't imagine why it should use it ...
<orly_owl>
ssvb: its an extremely popular/useful home media program i guess
<rellla>
orly_owl: which should fit your personal needs. for me it's to overblown. i can't remember when i have watched my last dvd...
<ssvb>
unfortunately it seems like the interest in xbmc is positively correlated with the lack of skills needed to fix this crap
<ssvb>
so we are not moving anywhere
<juanfont>
it's extremely popular although the UI has been designed by a bunch of drunken monkeys
<orly_owl>
heh
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<vertex_>
guys, why don't you write some simplier, faster UI for mplayer?
<orly_owl>
#mplayer
<juanfont>
UI? mplayer?
<linkmauve1>
Like mpv?
<vertex_>
I didn't use mpv, you can embed mplayer to window or GTK/Qt widget as slave and control it via stdin from your written UI app, for example with some media library controled only by keyboard, or lirc, or addidtional app on smartphone
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<ssvb>
vertex_: something like smplayer?
<vertex_>
yes, but I am thinking about something more xbmc-like
<ssvb>
well, then the real question is: why don't *you* write some simplier, faster UI for mplayer? ;)
<linkmauve1>
mplayer’s slave mode is awful, you have to parse its stdout if you want to get its messages.
<ssvb>
any protocol is awful, because you have to parse it
<vertex_>
well... I'm currently on tmdb integration for downloading posters etc. for its media library, and wondering why mplayer works smoothy only when I run my app from lxterminal ;)
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<vertex_>
and it's good moment to ask if someone would like to help
<Turl>
something like a 10-foot optimized popcorn time program that worked on sunxi would be great :p
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<Turl>
ssvb: did you get your ssh account yet?
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<wens>
bbrezillon: hi, I see you've posted patches for P2WI
<wens>
are you planning on doing clock and resets for apb0?
<wens>
if not, I can do it, as I've already put together most of the info for A31/A23 PRCM
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<mripard>
wens: the only info we're missing is to what clock it's parented to
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<wens>
the uboot drivers seem to assume 24MHz, so most likely the HOSC?
<mripard>
if we look at the others AHB clocks, there's a mux
<wens>
now we know why it's AHB0 / APB0, cause allwinner designates the AR100 as CPU0...
<mripard>
very very cool
<mripard>
thanks
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<nove>
mripard: any way to get allwinner to give us new android sdks directly?
<nove>
instead of this waiting for a customer to show up, and asking if we want it
<wens>
hope they do, but otherwise they are not required to give it to us
<nove>
maybe only the kernel sources, the must important
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<nove>
as it looks that will probable happen for new socs, cubietech and other board manufacturers will make hardware, make some images, and then after is that the sources will be released
<nove>
this makes this community weak
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<nove>
just how troublesome is with that xbmc
<nove>
if having sources(from RE) is the same as having blobs, then just use the blobs
<nove>
blobs are blobs, but we had luck and our blobs work well we can say, and this libvecore api is not so bad
<nove>
so pick the the openmax implementation from android, port it to linux/gnu, and xbmc should just work
<nove>
like is working in android
<nove>
no?
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<nove>
i already saw all, so if one day someone picked libvdpau-sunxi reap apart the scary registers, and port the blob
<nove>
no problem
<nove>
we can't do everything
<nove>
including working again't our RE objective, just to make some people have it now
<nove>
some else do it, like the ones that got your money in exchange for hardware
<nove>
they don't appear to care for the heath of this community, so complain to them
<nove>
not us
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<nove>
we made a mistake
<nove>
we should have a one and only one sunxi users community
<nove>
not an any board users communities
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<nove>
how many times there was written "new board is a rpi killer"?
<nove>
it will never happen
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<nove>
this companies are to greedy to work together
<nove>
including the ones that say are open source or pride to be open hardware
<FR^2>
nove: one thing also is the vast community of raspberry pi
<FR^2>
nove: Oh, "open hardware" and "raspberry pi" don't go well together, do they?
<nove>
FR^2: counting every user of board with a sunxi soc, how many?
<nove>
FR^2: we are missing unity
<FR^2>
nove: Yes, and structure and documentation.
<wingrime>
nove: Thats becose, I prefer do documentation, than code
<wingrime>
nove: there much people that can code over world
<wingrime>
nove: but not many want research bit-by-bit
<nove>
yes
<wingrime>
nove: so much of information attract
<wingrime>
nove: like game task, "just do it, it is easy'
<wingrime>
nove: same as arduion
<wingrime>
nove: *arduino
<nove>
and if were only one united community
<c1utch>
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<nove>
more users, that could help themselves
<wingrime>
nove: thats sad, board vendors divide devs and users
<wingrime>
nove: should we give more attention to VC1?
<wingrime>
nove: also, I still thinking about try write mplayer codec/out for speed and buffering? vdpau seems can cache only one frame.
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<nove>
wingrime: if you want, but this codecs have little use, or software decode is enough
<wingrime>
nove: and MAYbe, I should add some roadmap?
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<nove>
wingrime: we should start writting our driver(cedrus), then is when we should looks at the players
<nove>
wingrime: we still don't anything clear in how to do it
<nove>
wingrime: it would also be good if we have html5 video working
<nove>
that mean gstreamer for firefox
<nove>
chromium not sure was is uses
<wingrime>
nove: we need DISP in mainline firstly
<nove>
wingrime: that to have zero copy
<nove>
wingrime: but for html5 video, a copy will happen
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<nove>
wingrime: hardware decoding with copies, is better than only software decoding
<wingrime>
nove: ok, but, also, should we define all our registers in kernel, or expose to userspace?
<nove>
wingrime: that i don't know
<wingrime>
nove: in other hand we need make Offical(TM) header with registers and bitshift masks
<nove>
wingrime: if we made as V4L mem2mem device then in the kernel
<wingrime>
nove: you know someone from v4l who can explain how to do it?
<nove>
wingrime: yes, we could reuse the rules-ng-ng xml register database from renouveau
<rm>
a bot which forwards messages between two channels in different IRC networks
<rm>
back and forth
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<Turl>
rm: what's the point of that?
<Turl>
just connect to the right network :|
<Turl>
pretty much any sane client can have >1 network connected and show channels seamlessly
<Turl>
kz1: so you may want to move that to a lower sleep state
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<kz1>
Turl: thanks. that's very helpful
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<Turl>
mnemoc: "Thank you for submitting an application to receive a free SSL Certificate for your Open Source Project. Your open source project has been approved." :)
<Turl>
mnemoc: it's for *.domain.ext + domain.ext though, do you want me to ask for the other two?
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<kz1>
Turl: disabling the early suspend code in that module worked. Thanks.
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<Turl>
kz1: anytime :)
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<mnemoc>
Turl: we would need sunxi.org as well...
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<Turl>
mnemoc: can we do vhost based certs?
<mnemoc>
Turl: certs are per IP, not per hostname
<Turl>
mnemoc: isn't that only a limitation for people using ie6 or sth like that?
<mnemoc>
no, ssl comes before http
<mnemoc>
no way of choosing what cert to present before getting the http content
<mnemoc>
kz1: thing is Turl wants to use different Certs
<andoma>
(that's the stuff not working in IE6 and those old-timers)
<Turl>
mnemoc: I just googled it, it's called SNI and it's a thing :p
<Turl>
I see andoma beat me to it
<mnemoc>
again, we are using SNI already
<Turl>
anyway, I'll ask these people if we can have a second domain+wildcard on the cert
<Turl>
this was just an idea to fall back on :)
<mnemoc>
:)
<kz1>
if you have a spare $200k you can purchase a root certificate
<mnemoc>
SNI is still one cert per IP, even if it tells the browser to support multiple domains
<mnemoc>
kz1: thing is Turl dislikes we use a cert from cacert.org instead of a mozilla-approved CA
<kz1>
apache has a multi cert module but I haven't spent any time to get it running
<kz1>
ibest is to generate your own cert once a week
<kz1>
that way even the nastiest organisations will have trouble brute forcing it
<kz1>
the so called approved CA's are just a way to force people to have long periods between generating certificates so they can have more time to crack them
<kz1>
anyone with enough money can purchase a root certificate and get on the approved list
<kz1>
so the approved list doesn't guarantee good behaviour
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<mnemoc>
that's why I prefer to use cacert.org
<mnemoc>
anyhow, good night!
<mnemoc>
Turl: /etc/nginx has a .csr with the SNI for both domains and the corresponding wildcards if that globalsomething approves the free extra domain too
<Turl>
ok
<Turl>
I'll let you know what they say
<kz1>
Turl thanks again
<kz1>
night
<Turl>
good night kz1
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<oliv3r>
finally! renovation of the house is done! power is back up again too
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<Turl>
oliv3r: :D
<Turl>
oliv3r: oh fsck, I completely forgot about melita :( she sent me chap 5 due today
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<oliv3r>
Turl: lol;yeah stuck on chapter 8 (lack of time)
<oliv3r>
so ..whathave I missed in the last 2-3 weeks
<Turl>
oliv3r: did youget any of my reviews yet?
<oliv3r>
i got reviews for chapters 1, 2 and 3 last friday :)
<oliv3r>
but i ment with sunxi; anything happen there? that I missed?
<oliv3r>
been a little out o fit
<Turl>
ssvb and jemk have been experimenting with dram
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<oliv3r>
uh oh :)
<oliv3r>
i didsee jemk was busy cleaning up dram init
<oliv3r>
i think that's the last i saw
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<Wizzup>
So it seems my A10 LIME doesn't really want to get far in a boot anymore ... here's a log (cat /devttyUSB0 > log.txt) http://sprunge.us/SgjV
<Wizzup>
It's basically a boot-loop
<Wizzup>
(it worked fine and I don't think I changed anything)
<Wizzup>
Powering it over usb otg
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<Wizzup>
I mean, I did probe a few things with a multimeter, but nothing weird, afaik
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<Wizzup>
Any help is appreciated :-)
<Wizzup>
the only thing I did not try ATM is not powering it over USB otg, but I doubt that matters.
<Wizzup>
aha
<Wizzup>
I switched USB cable..
<Wizzup>
/o\
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