<Turl>
mripard_: your mutt doesn't check dkim most likely :)
<mripard_>
yeah, I'm using gpg
<mripard_>
and just gpg
<ssvb>
Turl: btw, what is the status of the linux-sunxi wiki recovery to a fully working state?
<ssvb>
Turl: I don't mean to hurry anyone up, but being able to edit wiki pages would be surely convenient
<Turl>
ssvb: the new server is idling until mnemoc can get around to bringing it up
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<Turl>
leviathancn: I got an email from you :)
<Turl>
(the sig is broken, you can blame google on that one as mripard_ said :P)
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<ssvb>
Turl: the mailing list is a somewhat related thing, I would expect that both google infastructure (googlegroups) and kernel infrastructure are in general more reliable than linux-sunxi.org
<Turl>
ssvb: I'm all for using someone else's infrastructure for mail
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<Turl>
mailservers are hard to get right and spam/abuse requires a lot of care taking
<Turl>
ssvb: we don't actually use anything on our server to handle email btw :)
<hramrach>
unfortunately, with 512MB ram it is going to be really slow because if it were to use some wider memory bus it would probably need multiple ram chips and hence larger ram
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<leviathancn>
Turl: could who can add linux-sunxi+subscribe@linux-sunxi.org to the aliases list?
<leviathancn>
so that it is being forwarded to google groups?
<leviathancn>
Turl: <linux-sunxi+subscribe@linux-sunxi.org>: Recipient address rejected: User
<Turl>
leviathancn: gzamboni, but I dunno how would google react to a bounced subscription email
<leviathancn>
uhm
<Turl>
leviathancn: it's dev@l-s.o btw
<hramrach>
hello
<Turl>
hi hramrach
<leviathancn>
Turl: since I earn my food with networking stuff until Allwinner gives me a contract, I can answer that :)
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<hramrach>
anybody has some idea what memory interface does A33 have?
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<leviathancn>
google will react in the following way: it will swollow it (given the MAIL, RCPT and DATA are preserved)
<leviathancn>
Turl: which "from" line was in the mail you got from me on dev@?
<leviathancn>
Mali isn't very performant, that's why they switched
<leviathancn>
but power vr crashes...
<hramrach>
There are mali mp4, mali t6xx, mali t7xx
<leviathancn>
yes
<hramrach>
but seems they di not license those
<leviathancn>
mp4 wouldn't be an issue
<WarheadsSE>
leviathancn: if/when this board exists, can you please make contact with Arch Linux ARM (either through me, or other contact channels)
<leviathancn>
the company holding the license is one street away
<leviathancn>
^^
<leviathancn>
WarheadsSE: yes
<WarheadsSE>
Much appreciated.
<leviathancn>
WarheadsSE: I will push the KiCAD files regularly there http://git.o2s.ch/
<WarheadsSE>
I've also updated my $dayjob CTO, and he also very happy to hear this news.
<leviathancn>
also maybe Allwinner will set up a git repo, I don't know
<hramrach>
well, mp4 is 4 shaders, twice of mp2. not staggering performance. but people who want to do gaming probably buy Tegra tablets anyway
<leviathancn>
we decided on KiCAD at the meeting
<leviathancn>
it's all about knowing how to talk Chinese ^_^
<hramrach>
I don't even know what the Mali core is used for since we have g2d for desktop and Cedar for video
<leviathancn>
we need more bilingual people at Allwinner
<ssvb>
leviathancn: the cubi-style open source dev board for a64 sounds very interesting
<leviathancn>
anyone? go grabbing some chinese-english speakers in san francisco and offer them a job ^-^
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<hramrach>
but it's better to have mali mp2 which does next to nothing and does not crash than powervr that dose next to nothing fast and crashes
<leviathancn>
ssvb: yes
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<leviathancn>
ssvb: they are even very eager to do that especially after I explained it in the context of their own cultural area
<hramrach>
hmm, I like learning weird languages but learning Chines and learning to talk with Chinese are two different things
<ssvb>
leviathancn: afaik, allwinner used to cooperate with cubietech and some other company (don't remember the name offhand) when making devboards at least for a80
<ssvb>
leviathancn: is this no longer the case for a64?
<leviathancn>
it is
<leviathancn>
it's more as I got the job to make a cubie like board for Allwinner
<leviathancn>
but this time all sources are available
<leviathancn>
ah, and I told them that many of you are pissed about binary blobs, and also managed to explain why
<plaes>
nice
<ssvb>
what about the dram controller? this libdram thing and boot0 blobs is just silly
<leviathancn>
yes, they kick that, and libnand
<leviathancn>
actually we concluded, we do all with open source drivers
<leviathancn>
and the stuff which really needs to be blobbed
<leviathancn>
can be shipped by RPM
<leviathancn>
or apk
<leviathancn>
or deb
<plaes>
tarballs
<leviathancn>
yes
<plaes>
let the distros do their own packaging if needed..
<leviathancn>
ok
<oliv3r>
brb; reboot
<leviathancn>
kk
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<f15h>
leviathancn: I just started following the discussion - You are going to do a A64 / open source / KiCad Design?
<leviathancn>
gzamboni: can you please add an alias from linux-sunxi+subscribe@linux-sunxi.org to linux-sunxi+subscribe@googlegroups.com?
<leviathancn>
gzamboni: on linux-sunxi.org
<leviathancn>
gzamboni: /etc/alias or wherever you packed it ^^
<leviathancn>
f15h: yes
<leviathancn>
f15h: the CERN addons for KiCAD make push&shove available
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<leviathancn>
and routing a BGA isn't that hard, you just do dog bone style and from there on push&shove
<f15h>
leviathancn: That is great news :) - I am coordinator/maindev of the videobrick project - adding HDMI-Input to A10/A20 (Olimex) for low-cost VideoStreaming sollutiongs (http://videobrick.wordpress.com) - and I would highly appriciate Dev-Boards where all CSI/MIPI-CSI Signals are available on headers. Can I lobby for such a feature?
<leviathancn>
yes, you can
<leviathancn>
I will need it anyway, since I need the board for my bachelors thesis
<leviathancn>
and so I need video and display ports wired out
<leviathancn>
;-))
<f15h>
cool - Best luck for your Project :) - we are also doing it OSHW - right now using Eagle but seriously considering to switch to KiCad
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<f15h>
leviathancn: do you have some kind of timeline?
<Turl>
leviathancn: d.l@o.ch
<leviathancn>
f15h: best we can do is next year
<leviathancn>
all the chip design is heavily in rework
<leviathancn>
especially because I think I inspired them for a new product line ^-^'
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<leviathancn>
well
<leviathancn>
maybe end of this year
<f15h>
ok at least this sounds reasonable
<leviathancn>
but we need to finish the A64 before I can get started to design a board
<f15h>
I now projects that are less complex and they take half a year or more
<f15h>
know
<leviathancn>
at the moment it's the chip design which is being reworked, we will be able to use the generic sdhci interface
<Turl>
leviathancn: but To: is not @googlegroups, so it may choke :)
<leviathancn>
ultra high speed out of the box and so on
<leviathancn>
ok...
<f15h>
thats great anyhow
<leviathancn>
Turl: maybe having a procmail with a sed-command ^-^
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<Turl>
leviathancn: are there any free webmails on china?
<Turl>
yahoo, outlook or sth?
<leviathancn>
Turl: yahoo works
<leviathancn>
but a procmail script is easier I think :)
<leviathancn>
remember
<Turl>
leviathancn: they could just sign up for one, subscribe with it and set it to forward to $work email
<Turl>
or keep it separate even :p
<leviathancn>
I will have to translate the guid how to use our mailinglist into Chinese
<leviathancn>
or we just make a sed command in a procmail
<leviathancn>
gosh... can I have access to the server? I could do it in no time
<leviathancn>
...
<Turl>
leviathancn: gzamboni handles @linux-sunxi.org mail
<NiteHawk>
if you don't mind hopping an extra loop, gmane.org also offers a bidirectional interface - you should be able to access (and reply to) the ML both via newsreader and/or web interface...
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<Netlynx>
f15h what's the timeline for the videobrick?
<f15h>
videobrick is designed to be a community project - and currently Georg Lippitsch and I are working on it in Hobby modus - The Alpha prototypes are working video-wise as expected and the next step would be to involve more devs and build around 10pcs. Beta-Boards - which should happen till End of April - but before we start with the Beta-Boards the Audio-Path has to be verified. Contributors are more than welcome to this project.
<f15h>
One scenario would be to run some crowd-funding around Sept
<hramrach>
leviathancn: if you want some design idea for new chip consider simplifying the graphics part
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<leviathancn>
NiteHawk: I just posted the gmane interface to 李想
<leviathancn>
boah, translating english-chinese is really hard...
<hramrach>
rk uses just dual laptop panel interface. When connecting a mipi panel they use mipi bridge. when connecting HDMI they use HDMI bridge. when connecting TV they use TV encoder
<hramrach>
I'm sure the developers over at #linux-rockchip praise them for this design
<leviathancn>
the graphics is an issue, they just got a block from imagine
<hramrach>
I don't think this is the block from imagine
<leviathancn>
it is...
<hramrach>
imagine is the povervr, right?
<leviathancn>
and the stuff around
<leviathancn>
but I will discuss it again with them
<leviathancn>
hramrach: just keep in mind, I have to translate everything into Chinese
<leviathancn>
hramrach: but I will try to make the suggestions clear to them
<hramrach>
on the parts with Mali (a10/a13/a20) there is a multitude of video outputs. This makes the video/graphics needlessly complicated and most devices don't even use that
<NiteHawk>
leviathancn: if the language barrier is that much of a problem, maybe the news interface is more suitable to native speakers - many mail programs offer news functionality, too (i know thunderbird does)
<leviathancn>
hmm, NiteHawk, neat idea
<Netlynx>
f15h, I will keep track of the project. I just started kernel programming and need to come up to speed with it.
<leviathancn>
also another issue is, what will they do with our group
<hramrach>
also on devices which do use TV output if you use a TV encoder chip you can pick one that is already known working and has a working driver - faster time to market, you do not need to debug another piece of hardware and software
<leviathancn>
many of them hardly understand simple phrases
<NiteHawk>
but then in turn, an english web interface shouldn't really hamper anyone willing to access an english-centric mailing list :/
<leviathancn>
I will just send 李想 the gmane web interface
<f15h>
Netlynx: I am also just modifing existing Kernelmodules ... the issues like H_SYNC for example are sometimes stranger to trackdown/workaround... With the Beta-Boards we want to have the HW in an reliable state - so we can focus on the SW part
<Turl>
leviathancn: what does that mean? google says "lee would like to"
<leviathancn>
Turl: it's just his name
<leviathancn>
"lüsang"
<Turl>
leviathancn: ah :p
<leviathancn>
they are like "Wow you can eat with chopsticks" and "Wow. You are at least trying to learn our language."
<leviathancn>
hmm
<Turl>
chinese looks pretty hard to learn
<leviathancn>
apparently they didn't have a lot of "good" experience with Europeans I think...
<leviathancn>
Turl: nope
<leviathancn>
Turl: actually it's quiet easy
<leviathancn>
I can already write
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<leviathancn>
I just have issues with the 4 tones
<leviathancn>
so I have issues talking
<leviathancn>
but writing is no problem
<Turl>
leviathancn: I can't even tell the glyphs apart, they all look like funny squares with lines to me
<leviathancn>
it's like a programming language
<leviathancn>
hmm, and you can easily remember them with pictures
<leviathancn>
7 lines of e-mail on chinese... took me around 2 hours to write -.-'
<leviathancn>
okey, hopefully I did it grammatically right now
<leviathancn>
just be patient
<exslestonec>
Can someone tell if there is something more advanced, what can turn the cubieboard into a mediacenter, than i can read on http://linux-sunxi.org/XBMC?
<hramrach>
actually there is not much difference between Chinese and English. You have to learne very word twice. Once written once spoken. And criminally lobotomized grammar.
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<hramrach>
exslestonec: there were some xmbc enabled roms. Like some of the original cubieboard roms iirc
<hramrach>
and you can just build mplayer and play the movies by hand
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<exslestonec>
But there is nothing with the amount of support like in the raspbery pi i guess? Luke xbian, raspbmc?
<exslestonec>
like
<rellla>
exslestone: it isn't
<hramrach>
what more support do you want than a rom from the manufacturer that includes the media player?
<mturquette>
boot failure with today's linux-next for sunxi platforms:
<alatnet>
is there anything special that i have to do with either uboot or the linux kernel to have the nand exposed? along with that, can damn small linux be cross compiled to work on an A10?
<mturquette>
mripard_: wens: Turl: any idea which clocks are causing the divide-by-zero in linux-next?