<asarch>
In Emacs, how can you repeat quickly the last command?
<asarch>
(Something a la !! in Bash)
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<SaganMan>
Morning peeps
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<Shinmera>
For those wondering, you can write ,resend-form in the REPL to re-evaluate the last form.
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<pjb>
otwieracz: it can be changed. For example, you could use the camera to detect the direction the eyes point to, and to use that window to display the buffer.
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<puchacz>
hi, can I muffle it somehow in SBCL please? "The fifth argument (in keyword position) is not a constant, weakening keyword argument checking."
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<jackdaniel>
any recommendations for an rss/atom parser library?
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<Shinmera>
It's not really geared for rss/atom, but with lQuery you can parse and extract information pretty quick.
<jackdaniel>
uhm, thanks
<jackdaniel>
I'm looking for something more off-the-shelf to build clim interface for it as an example
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<jackdaniel>
my candidates are cl-rss and cl-feedparser (I've also found cl-feedparse - not available on QL)
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<Shinmera>
I've only ever been on the producing side of RSS, I'm afraid.
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<ebrasca>
Hi can someone explain me what with-* functions are supposed to do in common lisp?
<jackdaniel>
ebrasca: with- are usually macros
<ebrasca>
jackdaniel: I have learned what is do-* for recently.
<Shinmera>
with-* are usually macros that handle setup and cleanup of resources.
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<jackdaniel>
they are used when you want to introduce some context and some actions to perform after "body" is executed
<ebrasca>
Like with-file do someting in all parts of some file
<ebrasca>
?
<jackdaniel>
for instance with-open-file is used to: open the file and bind its stream to a symbol (context), execute body, close the stream (even if errors happen)
<jackdaniel>
the last part is a cleanup
<ebrasca>
In my situation can it be write to disk?
<jackdaniel>
yes, with-file may be imagine like this: grab a file-specific lock, execute body (some operations), release the lock
<jackdaniel>
what you do with your macro is limited mostly by your imagination
<jackdaniel>
sure, cleanup can be write to disk
<ebrasca>
But it is good to give good names for functions.
<jackdaniel>
sure
<jackdaniel>
with-open-file is a good name for a macro
<jackdaniel>
with-locked-file could be another name which indicates some locking
<jackdaniel>
with-transaction may be used to ensure that operation is done atomically (either it happens as a whole or not at all)
<pjb>
ebrasca: you may use macroexpand-1 on examples to see what macros expand to.
<pjb>
ebrasca: sometimes, the cleanup is implicit, such as when with-* is only used to establish local bindings with LET or similar.
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<ebrasca>
Maybe it is better to call it do-file instead of with-file.
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<pjb>
ebrasca: it depends.
<pjb>
ebrasca: often, with- macros can expand to a call to a function.
<pjb>
Notice that macros are also named dosomething, so we would avoid to call a function with that prefix.
<pjb>
the pattern would be a with-something expanding to a call of call-with-something function (or some other function, I often use function called generate-something to generate the code returned by macros).
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<pjb>
ebrasca: now the depends part, comes from the things you may want to do at compilation time.
<pjb>
ebrasca: for example, when using such functions, you will have often to wrap bodies in lambda expressions.
<pjb>
This kind of boilerplate is advantageously generated by the macro instead of typed over and over.
<pjb>
Of course, it's also good to have the function in case you need to call it with a function instead of a lambda-expression.
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<pjb>
ebrasca: eg. sometimes the macro can determine at macro-expansion times the alternative to choose to generate. A function would have to test at run-time. It would be less efficient.
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* ebrasca
need to learn more about macro-expansion compared to run-time.
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<makomo_>
what is the convention with "%" as a name prefix?
<makomo_>
internal implementation stuff?
<Shinmera>
Things that shouldn't be touched unless you know exactly what you're doing, as they probably have no use / are dangerous outside of very specific contexts.
<Shinmera>
So essentially very internal/private things.
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<makomo_>
mhm, ok
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<pjb>
makomo_: for example, a normal function would check its parameter, while a %function would not and possibly it would crash like any C function if bad parameters are passed.
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<jjkola>
hi
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<ebrasca>
jjkola: hi
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<obi-cons-cdrobi>
@makomo_: I've seen people use % as a prefix to name symbol macros. Is that widely used?
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<beach>
It can be used for symbol macros, macros, functions, slots, etc. The key is that the % signals "danger", "internal stuff", "be careful" etc.
<obi-cons-cdrobi>
gotcha
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<pfdietz_>
I tend to use % for flet/labels function names.
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<shka_>
i think i found use case for explicit compile-call
<shka_>
i wrote simple tape automatic differentiation tool
<shka_>
i think that it can run fast as hell by generating gradient calculating lambda
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<shka_>
this way you can calculate gradient many times per second
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<pjb>
pfdietz_: it's useless to use % for local function, since they cannot be used outside of the lexical scope (unless you explicitely return them).
<pjb>
return or pass them.
<pjb>
shka_: sounds like it, indeed.
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<shka_>
first version seems to work around 4 to 5 times faster
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<pfdietz_>
I just do it as a hint to the reader.
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