actuallybatman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
rumbler31 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
rumbler31 has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
loli has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
quazimodo has joined #lisp
quazimodo has quit [Client Quit]
quazimodo has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
charh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
sjl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
python476 has joined #lisp
charh has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
emar has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.3]
robdog has joined #lisp
markoong has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
hectorhonn has joined #lisp
<hectorhonn>
morning everyone
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
zmv has joined #lisp
zmv is now known as notzmv
rpg has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
nowhere_man has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
robdog has joined #lisp
nowhere_man has joined #lisp
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
FreeBirdLjj has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
nowhere_man has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
robdog has joined #lisp
nowhere_man has joined #lisp
wusticality has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
loli has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
emaczen has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
dale has quit [Quit: dale]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
stardiviner has joined #lisp
atgreen has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
stardiviner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
lonjil2 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
lonjil has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
dale has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
emaczen has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
sjl has joined #lisp
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
rozenglass has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
Oladon has joined #lisp
loli has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
Welkin has quit [Quit: leaving]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
montxero has quit [Quit: leaving]
<beach>
Good morning everyone!
robdog has joined #lisp
akoana has left #lisp ["Leaving"]
esrse has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
<rpg>
beach: Good night! ;-)
anewuser has joined #lisp
<fiddlerwoaroof>
My impression is that RMS dislikes Common Lisp because of his experience with Symbolics
Bike has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
<fiddlerwoaroof>
I forget where I read it, but part of the impetus behind the GPL was the way Symbolics took the LispOS code MIT developed and commercialized it
<no-defun-allowed>
also, i heard he thinks keyword arguments are too complex
<fiddlerwoaroof>
I believe there's a thread on the emacs mailing list or somewhere where he rants about this
<no-defun-allowed>
also that if you bring up lisp near him, he won't speak much about it
<fiddlerwoaroof>
My impression of dwim.hu was that it was a web application platform that some people tried building a consultancy on
<fiddlerwoaroof>
CL is in an interesting space where, even if you don't like the language as standardized, you can build up your own language on top of it and leverage the libraries in the community at large
<fiddlerwoaroof>
dwim.hu somewhat intentionally wrote there software in the "dwim.hu" dialect of CL
robdog has joined #lisp
<beach>
It is entirely possible that it wasn't easy to get good performm out of a Common Lisp implementation on stock hardware at the time rms started GNU. But now, rms is no longer involved in software development as far as I can tell. He is doing what nobody else seems to be able to do, namely giving talks about free software.
<beach>
So I wouldn't pay much attention to what rms thinks about Common Lisp anymore.
<fiddlerwoaroof>
beach: I wish I remembered where I read it, but my impression is that he was mostly annoyed with the way Symbolics commercialized MIT's lisp machine
<beach>
fiddlerwoaroof: Yes, that's a well-known story.
<fiddlerwoaroof>
I don't think it really has anything to do with the technical merits of CL
<beach>
Not sure it influenced his opinion about Common Lisp though.
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
python476 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
FoxyBoxes has joined #lisp
FreeBirdLjj has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
milanj has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
<LdBeth>
Documentation of algorithms and design worth more than source code
FreeBirdLjj has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
rpg has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
FreeBirdLjj has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
FreeBirdLjj has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
sjl has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
akoana has joined #lisp
akoana has left #lisp ["Leaving"]
robdog has joined #lisp
loli has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
orivej has joined #lisp
karlosz has joined #lisp
Oladon has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
dddddd has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
robdog has joined #lisp
nanoz has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
dale has quit [Quit: dale]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
wusticality has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
sjl has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
<verisimilitude>
I suppose Shen is a good example of building one's own Lisp on CL, considering it has a CL implementation.
kushal has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
kushal has joined #lisp
<no-defun-allowed>
--delete this--
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
<fiddlerwoaroof>
verisimilitude: yeah, and the yale haskell compiler was implemented in a half-working attempt at source compatiblity between scheme and common lisp
<fiddlerwoaroof>
Then, at a further extreme, there are things like clpython and cljs that implement completely different languages by transforming them into CL and then compiling the CL
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
libertyprime has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
<LdBeth>
Yale Haskell is based on a Scheme dialect called T
<fiddlerwoaroof>
No, the code reads like they gave up halfway through a port to T
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
<fiddlerwoaroof>
As its readme says "Don't try to load the system into T. It's broken!"
ravenousmoose has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
ravenousmoose has joined #lisp
quazimodo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
xkapastel has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
AndreasO has joined #lisp
schjetne has joined #lisp
AndreasO has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
<akater>
fiddlerwoaroof: dwim.hu custom syntax, to me, is a nice example of syntax I probably wouldn't use but in the same time one that is fine to read.
<akater>
It seems there's a verys thin line between custom syntax that is readable and unreadable. dwim.hu sort of manages to deal with it.
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
<akater>
In the meantime, I'm still not sure what WITH-UPGRADABILITY means in recent ASDF. :-)
<akater>
(even though its definition is not excessive)
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
esrse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
Zaab1t has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
<akater>
Macros cross the border between “technical abstraction” and “the way people use the language”.
<akater>
I believe a sufficient condition for a macro to be considered done right is to “make enough sense on the first glance” to a sufficient amount of members of the community using the language.
<akater>
Here, “enough” is hard to formalize though. But to me, it looks like dwim.hu code pushes the boundary just right. Its macros are mostly understandable by osmosis.
Zaab1t has quit [Client Quit]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
<fiddlerwoaroof>
akater: WITH-UPGRADABILITY basically prevents sbcl from inlining the function, iirc
robdog has joined #lisp
<fiddlerwoaroof>
the goal is to allow ASDF to be upgraded in-place in implementations that ship an old version
robdog_ has joined #lisp
jprajzne has joined #lisp
varjag has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
<akater>
In that case, `with-asdf-updradability' would be a much better name, I believe.
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
<akater>
Well anyway, comprehensibilty of macros is subjective. But I was a little surprised by jmercouris' objection to something I found quite readable. I wonder if jmercouris would object to some DEFCLASS wrapper that creates homonymous accessors and initargs. (Will have to ask later, I guess.)
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
<aeth>
akater: Iirc UIOP also uses it, not just ASDF
rozenglass has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
<hectorhonn>
akater: where can one find a defclass wrapper like the one you mentioned?
<beach>
hectorhonn: It is very unusual to need such a thing.
nowhere_man has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds]
shrdlu68 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
<hectorhonn>
beach: huh? why not? most of the time my slot reader has the same name as the initarg
<beach>
I find that there is always some slight variation between slots. One slots needs an :ACCESOR, but another needs only a :READER. One needs an :INITFORM, another does not.
<hectorhonn>
beach: if one uses an immutable style, most of the objects will only need readers
<hectorhonn>
beach: something like, er, haskell records
<beach>
Plus, I always give each slot a name that is different from the reader/accessor, so I would not want the initarg to be derived from the slot name.
robdog has joined #lisp
<beach>
Another variation is that there is sometimes several initargs for a slot, and sometimes several readers, or one reader and one accessor.
<beach>
Stuff like that.
<aeth>
I like having an accessor and a reader
loli has joined #lisp
<beach>
It is sometimes useful to nave a writer that is not exported and a reader that is.
<aeth>
A separate writer with with-accessors is awkward so it's imo best to have a reader and an accessor if only a reader is supposed to be public
<beach>
Sure.
<dim>
I tend to use struct so that I don't have to think about all that ;-) but I lean to using classes more these days I think
<dim>
mmm, thinking about it, I think I use classes when I know there will be some inheritance involved in my data structures, otherwise defstruct and generic functions
<akater>
hectorhonn: The snippet might be nonconforming, actually. Cf. 3.1.2.1.2.2 Macro Forms: `The consequences are undefined if a macro function destructively modifies any part of its form argument.'
<jackdaniel>
I've encountered a few times macro defclass* which defines initargs and accessors based on slot names
<jackdaniel>
so the syntax is essentially the one from defstruct but you may redefine such classes
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
<shka__>
wow, that's some advance lazy
<jackdaniel>
also ergolib has define-class which allows you to choose whenever class is backed by a structure-class or a standard-class
shka__ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1]
<aeth>
dim: my personal line is that I almost always use structs when :type in slots is important
<jackdaniel>
shka__: how so? such utility is quite practical and has very clear semantics
shka_ has joined #lisp
<jackdaniel>
I can agree that some dislike such automation (hence criticize defstruct), but other than that it doesn't seem like anything extreme
robdog has joined #lisp
karlosz has quit [Quit: karlosz]
<aeth>
The most common thing a defclass* probably would overlook is the reader+accessor combination in a slot definition
<dim>
jackdaniel: CCL knows how to redefine structs, and SBCL in a more limited way but as I tend to have short-lived objects it's not a problem for me
<jackdaniel>
aeth: it works (afair) like this: if slot is denoted by a symbol, automatic stuff is defined, if it is a list, then it is left as is
<aeth>
ah, I do stuff like that
<jackdaniel>
dim: sure, I'm talking about portable common lisp though
<jackdaniel>
consequences are undefined when you redefine a struct
<aeth>
I basically do that in a macro called with-accessors*
<aeth>
90% of the time it's (foo foo) so I simplify that to foo
<jackdaniel>
I've landed a new restriction in ECL develop branch lately which signals an error when structure is redefined in incompatible way
hhdave has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
<akater>
aeth: I mostly use :type to get some useful feedback from the compiler. In case of SBCL, I do! Caught some bugs simply due to type declarations.
<dim>
jackdaniel: good point
robdog has joined #lisp
<akater>
aeth: And it makes code more readable for me, too. After a couple of stall weeks, type declarations help to remember what I had in mind.
<hectorhonn>
beach: several initargs for the same slot? wow i didnt know one could do that. haha
<aeth>
akater: This will bring up the types debate again so I should say this: There are certain places where types are useless (e.g. helper functions to macros) and certain places where they're near-mandatory imo.
<jackdaniel>
hectorhonn: to confuse things a little, single initarg may initialize many slots
<jackdaniel>
or the initarg may not be associated with a slot and logic associated with its value may be put in initialize-instance method
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
wigust has joined #lisp
status402 has joined #lisp
wigust has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
<shka_>
aeth: i think that this won't be such a controversy
<hectorhonn>
jackdaniel: really a programmable programming language. totally lives up to its name
<akater>
aeth: When you need heavily optimized code, this seems to matter.
<akater>
I recently saw a blogpost from someone who migrated from CL to Julia because CL “has no dependent types”. I can understand this affection. A common rejoinder is, “you can do this with macros” but in my opinion, it's getting old.
<shka_>
akater: eeeee?
<shka_>
dependent types? what is that?
robdog has joined #lisp
<no-defun-allowed>
stuff like (in haskell) `singularList :: a -> [a]` where the output types depend on the input, often using type "variables"
<shka_>
ah, ok
<shka_>
well, sbcl can kinda do that
<akater>
There was at least one attempt to bring dependent types to CL, namely “cl-parametric-types” but the author (1) became disillusioned, according to his own statement; (2) was inspired by C++ templates, which is not necessarily a terrific idea when one programs CL.
<no-defun-allowed>
oh dear
<shka_>
honestly i don't consider this to be critical feature
<shka_>
but i can see the benefit
robdog_ has joined #lisp
<ggole>
That's not dependent types?
<no-defun-allowed>
i thought it was
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
<ggole>
a -> [a] is just parametric polymorphism, and Julia's "dependent types" thing is having typed array sizes
<akater>
Julia is worth looking into. At least they are inspired by some of the best achievements out there (Lisp included).
<shka_>
ggole: well, in that case it is a critical feature
<no-defun-allowed>
oh ok
<ggole>
So you can say, eg, concat : array X int, array Y int -> array (X + Y) int
<no-defun-allowed>
gotcha
<shka_>
this is neat
<ggole>
It is, it's a nice way to generalise CLs typed arrays
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
<ggole>
And good for efficiency
<ggole>
But, it is not dependent types.
<shka_>
yeah, i can see the allure
robdog has joined #lisp
<shka_>
well, this is cool and i don't think you can do that in CL
<shka_>
i don't like complicated types though
<ggole>
Dependent types get crazy
<shka_>
my impression exactly
<shka_>
"code failed to compile, here is the 5 page long explanation of WHY, have fun and fuck you"
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
<jackdaniel>
I like the idea of gradual typing
<ggole>
Even much milder things like GADTs can be a bit much
<akater>
Even without dependent types, one Tamas Papp (authoreds some CL libraries) claimed to switch to Julia due to some struggles with CL arrays. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15478131
<akater>
*authored
<ggole>
CL arrays do have some limitations if you are after efficiency
robdog has joined #lisp
status402_ has joined #lisp
status402 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
<shka_>
reading the article, but it seems to be misguided
<akater>
His grievances are not all justified, imo. But they might be in near future. I treid to read matlisp, and it was not a very pleasant experience. What he complains about, *could be* overcome.
<shka_>
well, heiseig recently contributed vector-classes which allows to dispatch on vector types
<shka_>
and both sbcl and ccl have specialized double float arrays
<shka_>
so i don't think this is accurate criticism of cl
<jdz>
Right, the author of the article should have tried his code on other implementations of Julia.
<jackdaniel>
(nb: this is not accurate description either, i.e why double-float is mentioned instead of specialized float arrays in general?)
<akater>
Yeah, and he says “portable, fast, convenient --- pick 2”. That's not really true, Juila's “portability” is quite dubious, given it's such a young language.
robdog_ has joined #lisp
housel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
<shka_>
well, julia seems to have good things going for her, but the advantage over CL is not vast
<shka_>
and in other areas it is probabbly just worse
<akater>
(I mean, he claims with CL you have to pick 2, but with Julia you don't)
drmeister has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
<jackdaniel>
"- one quality is enough to fulfill the needs of a grown programmer", "- how many did you take?", "- three!" ;-)
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
<jackdaniel>
[reference to lotr and "lembas bread" for people who do not remember the book]
drmeister has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
v0|d has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
random-nickname has joined #lisp
aindilis has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
zotan has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb1+deb9u1 - http://znc.in]
robdog has joined #lisp
zotan has joined #lisp
loli has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
v0|d has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
robdog has joined #lisp
wusticality has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
zmt00 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
zmt00 has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
jruchti has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
dmiles has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
cpape has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
dmiles has joined #lisp
wusticality has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
_whitelogger has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
m00natic has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
jruchti has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
loli has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
quazimodo has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
quazimodo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
Lord_of_Life_ has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
Lord_of_Life has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
Lord_of_Life_ is now known as Lord_of_Life
rozenglass has joined #lisp
milivoj has joined #lisp
schjetne has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
markoong has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
atgreen has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
amerlyq has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
dddddd has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
ravenousmoose is now known as ravenousmoose[aw
ravenousmoose[aw has quit [Quit: Taking a quick nap...ZZzzz]
robdog has joined #lisp
Lycurgus has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
flip214 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
ravenousmoose has joined #lisp
flip214 has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
heisig has joined #lisp
loli has joined #lisp
Grauwolf_ is now known as Grauwolf
robdog has joined #lisp
silverbeard00 has joined #lisp
silverbeard00 has quit [Client Quit]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
ebrasca has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
ebrasca has joined #lisp
Bike has joined #lisp
hectorhonn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
marvin2 has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
gigetoo has joined #lisp
Lycurgus has quit [Quit: Exeunt]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
atgreen has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
atgreen has joined #lisp
q9929t has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
loli has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
hhdave has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
<phoe>
ELS tickets purchased.
<phoe>
Do ELSfolk already know which hotel they will choose?
orivej has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
FoxyBoxes has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<heisig>
Not yet. If there are still rooms, we will probably stay directly at the venue.
<phoe>
heisig: threw a pair of GitHub tickets your way, hope they make sense
<phoe>
oh, there are rooms at the conplace? Wonderful
rpg has joined #lisp
wigust has joined #lisp
<beach>
We have a room at the hotel of the venue, i.e. Brighton Palace.
<heisig>
phoe: Just fixed the issues you reported. Thanks!
LiamH has joined #lisp
wigust has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
<phoe>
heisig: no problem! It's good to know that I still can read
Posterdati has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
dddddd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
Posterdati has joined #lisp
Zaab1t has joined #lisp
<phoe>
beach: OK, booked there.
Posterdati has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
<beach>
Rooms still available? Impressive!
<phoe>
Well, one less room available now.
<beach>
"fewer" :)
<phoe>
Fewer.
<phoe>
Blah.
<phoe>
/join #englishschool
<flip214>
beach: who says the rooms are countable? Perhaps it's Cantor's Grandson's Hotel ;)
robdog has joined #lisp
dale has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
wusticality has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
rippa has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
<beach>
flip214: Hmm, then that hotel will be an interesting experience for sure.
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
<flip214>
beach: yeah -- it would be a good explanation why there's always one more room available.
<flip214>
or even an infinity of them... ;=
Posterdati has joined #lisp
<flip214>
oh, that was Hilbert's Hotel. My bad.
robdog has joined #lisp
<splittist>
It's the In-room Dining Philosophers that are the problem...
<flip214>
QL on CLisp gives me "READ from .../quicklisp/http.lisp: there is no package with name "SB-POSIX""
<pfdietz>
I am sad I cannot do ELS this year. I would like to sometime.
<phoe>
flip214: weird
<phoe>
QL on CLISP shouldn't access SBCL internal packages
<phoe>
because it's obvious they won't be there
<flip214>
ql:update-client says The most up-to-date client, version 2017-03-06, is already installed.
<flip214>
hrmpf
<phoe>
flip214: you're on bleeding-edge releases
<flip214>
oh, that's actually my fault...
<flip214>
I've inserted a (sb-posix:getenv "http_proxy")
<phoe>
(:
<flip214>
at some time long past
<phoe>
flip214: uiop:getenv
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
<flip214>
yeah, thanks
<beach>
pfdietz: Sorry to hear that.
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
<flip214>
Error while trying to load definition for system trivial-signal ... CFFI-toolchain requires ASDF 3.1!
<jackdaniel>
now the question is: how much does it really require it and how much was it a backpressure / contributor's strong conviction to put this error
rpg has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
<flip214>
after upgrading I get EVAL: undefined function VERSION<
robdog has joined #lisp
cyraxjoe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
cyraxjoe has joined #lisp
varjag has quit [Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 25.2.2)]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
Inline has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
Patzy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
loli has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
random-nickname is now known as random-nick
robdog has joined #lisp
<flip214>
At ELS I won't be at the dinner on Wednesday... I have to travel to a business appointment on Thursday.
<flip214>
I hoped that the dinner would be on Monday or Tuesday.
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
<flip214>
Is anything planned for Sunday?
powerbit has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
wigust has joined #lisp
warweasle has joined #lisp
travv0 has joined #lisp
wigust has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
wigust has joined #lisp
<splittist>
The dinner on Wednesday is the full <P...> banquet? There's nothing ELS specific?
<beach>
Perhaps we should organize something for Tuesday. We are leaving on Wednesday anyway.
<beach>
I dread this kind of organization though. The best thing would be for one person to decide on a place and then invite people to attend. It is nearly impossible to get this many people to discuss and agree on something, especially the same day.
housel has joined #lisp
matijja has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
rpg has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
q9929t has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
q9929t has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
<LdBeth>
Good morning
<beach>
Hello LdBeth.
status402_ has quit [Quit: status402_]
ggole has quit [Quit: Leaving]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
<shka_>
good evening
FreeBirdLjj has joined #lisp
<shka_>
any idea for less generic name for something that is currently called cl-data-frames?
<beach>
What does it do?
<phoe>
what does it do?
<phoe>
welp
<beach>
Heh.
robdog has joined #lisp
<rpg>
shka_: Like Pandas for CL?
<dlowe>
fantasta-data-explosions!
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
<pjb>
rpg: cl-like-pandas-for-cl
<phoe>
grizzlies
hhdave has joined #lisp
<dlowe>
clondike
<dlowe>
clodiak
robdog_ has joined #lisp
<rpg>
clandas sounds a little too KKK...
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
scymtym has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
Ukari has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
hhdave_ has joined #lisp
hhdave has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds]
hhdave_ is now known as hhdave
Ukari has joined #lisp
xkapastel has joined #lisp
noark9 has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
noark9 has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
noark9 has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
loli has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
ravenousmoose has quit [Quit: Taking a quick nap...ZZzzz]
robdog_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
robdog has joined #lisp
ravenousmoose has joined #lisp
wusticality has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
wusticality has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
heisig has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
q9929t has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
q9929t has joined #lisp
schjetne has joined #lisp
FreeBirdLjj has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
ravenousmoose has quit [Quit: Taking a quick nap...ZZzzz]
ravenousmoose has joined #lisp
charh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
charh has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
schjetne has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
aindilis has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
charh has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
sjl has joined #lisp
buffergn0me has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
rpg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
buffergn0me has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
lumm has joined #lisp
heisig has joined #lisp
heisig has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<beach>
I am reading the Common Lisp HyperSpec page on DEFCLASS, and specifically, the last paragraph before the (empty) "Examples" section. Am I right in interpreting this paragraph as the obligation for the compiler to create the class in the compilation environment at compile time?
cage_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
charh has joined #lisp
<verisimilitude>
It seems to be almost that, from my reading, beach.
<verisimilitude>
It seems like there's enough leeway for it to do the bare minimum, instead of quite that.
<beach>
Maybe, unless FIND-CLASS is called.
<verisimilitude>
Outside of that FIND-CLASS note, it doesn't seem required.
<beach>
Sure.
robdog has joined #lisp
<verisimilitude>
Oh, then we're in agreement, then.
<beach>
But if it is sometimes required, it might as well create it.
<verisimilitude>
Anyway, what has you wondering this, beach?
<beach>
It doesn't cost anything.
<verisimilitude>
I prefer to write my programs to depend only on what I know I can, not what is likely available.
<beach>
Because I am writing a better protocol than the one in section 8.5 of CLtL2, and I was wondering whether I need a CLASS-INFO in addition to the others.
<beach>
But it appears I don't. I can just use FIND-CLASS.
<verisimilitude>
Oh; well, good luck and all of that.
makomo has joined #lisp
<beach>
Thanks. It is practically done. I mean, I did it for Cleavir. Now, I just want to extract it to a separate system and improve the design.
<LdBeth>
Make it well documented is better than make it portable
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
jmercouris has joined #lisp
<jmercouris>
does anyone know how to do symmetric encryption with ironclad? a simple code snippet?
<jmercouris>
I want to encode some string using a secret key, symmetrically
<gendl>
Please, take a few minutes from your day and a few guilders to show some love for the countless hours put into ASDF in the past decade. I know there's been some frustration with asdf from time to time, but showing support in this way can help encourage others to contribute in the future as well.
<scymtym>
gendl: there seems to be a markup problem with the link titled "Appreciation Fundraiser" in the "Valentine's Day Fundraiser" section
<gendl>
scymtym: On it...
karlosz has quit [Client Quit]
<cage_>
good initiative!
sauvin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
<jackdaniel>
gendl: is there a way to make a paypal payment or a transfer from the bank? I have some dollar and euro so giving my PL card number will introduce unnecessary exchange fee from pln
<gendl>
jackdaniel: See the "Alternate Paymnt Method" link after the donation buttons.
<gendl>
scymtym: Thanks for catching the markup typo, should be fixed now.
<jackdaniel>
done \o/
karlosz has quit [Client Quit]
nowhere_man has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
keep_learning has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<gendl>
jackdaniel: Thanks! There may be a day or two lag before Alternate Payments show up in the Status Area.
<gendl>
Can y'all help spread word of this fundraiser? I've posted links on Reddit (/r/lisp and /r/common_lisp). Hoping this will get picked up elsewhere. There is $5000 of matching funds sitting there waiting to be applied.
<gendl>
And, the fundraising page itself (using Stripe) is implemented and running in pure CL. If anyone would like to volunteer to stylize it and clean it up, I can open up repository access as well and get you set up with what you need to run & test it locally.
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
milanj has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
DGASAU has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
<ebrasca>
gendl: What purpose this fundraising have?
random-nick has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
<gendl>
ebrasca: thanks for asking. The purpose is to present a monetary gift to Faré the long-time maintainer of ASDF. Hopefully it will have the side-effect of also encouraging future contributions to the ASDF project.
<gendl>
The Common Lisp Foundation intends to offer fundraising hosting for all projects hosted at https://common-lisp.net, but this one is of special note because there is a Donation Doubler in effect currently -- each donation up to the first $5000 will be doubled, from two large seed donations.
<ebrasca>
gendl: I don't have bank acount and don't know it i can trust common-lisp.net .
<gendl>
ebasca: Note that this is an Appreciation fundraiser for past work, and does not bring with it any particular future promises.
<gendl>
ebrasca: Note that common-lisp.net has been in existence for many years, and a little over two years ago hosted a Quicklisp fundraiser which raised over $17,000 for Xach.
<gendl>
Please check with Xach to confirm that the funds were duly transferred to him.
<ebrasca>
I think it is better to write code.
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
<cage_>
ebrasca, this is the second time the cl foundation organize a fundraising and as far as i know there wan no complaints
<cage_>
*was
<gendl>
ebrasca: That is your prerogative. Thanks for your feedback.
<gendl>
If anyone can suggest other steps clnet and CLF can take to establish trust, please let me know.
<gendl>
We are running on a skeleton crew of volunteers, so in fact (in addition to a small amount of technical infrastructure), the main asset we have to offer is indeed trust only.
<ebrasca>
I need to think if I have money to donate and learn how to do it.
flazh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
<gendl>
CLF is incorporated as a Foundation in the Netherlands, so if there is actual malfeasance there is an entity which can be held accountable.
<cage_>
plus i think you can meet some of them at ELS :)
<gendl>
Yes, at least I do plan to be at ELS (fully at my own company's expense this year -- last year I was program chair)
DGASAU has joined #lisp
<ebrasca>
Maybe I can go to ELS if i use all my savings XD
<cage_>
:)
<ebrasca>
How to make money fast and then donate and go to ELS?
emaczen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
Posterdati has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
actuallybatman has quit [Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 27.0.50)]
robdog has joined #lisp
karlosz has joined #lisp
rpg has joined #lisp
<ebrasca>
Can I make fundraising for Mezzano develoment?
robdog_ has joined #lisp
Inline has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
Inline has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
flazh has joined #lisp
xkapastel has joined #lisp
Inline has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
ravenousmoose has quit [Quit: Taking a quick nap...ZZzzz]
Inline has joined #lisp
random-nick has joined #lisp
<phoe>
ebrasca: set up a Patreon page or any other place where people can donate to you.
<dim>
ahah, I want to share with you guys a private message I just received, because we're talking about an application written in Common Lisp: “We rely on pgloader heavily and are very grateful for the time and effort you've invested in this tool, which we've found to surpass all other AWS solutions we've come across.”
<phoe>
:D
<makomo>
dim: very nice :-)
<dim>
as pgloader depends on about ~60 libs in Quicklisp, and also piggy backs on the excellent work of SBCL and CCL, I wanted to share the feedback
<phoe>
dim: throw it at /r/lisp
<ebrasca>
Do I need bank card to donate with paypal?
robdog has joined #lisp
<cage_>
dim, congratulations!
<dim>
phoe: I'm not sure I would dare... as the author of pgloader it might just sounds over confident, don't you think?
robdog_ has joined #lisp
loli has joined #lisp
<gendl>
ebrasca: I think PayPal accepts things other than cc, but we don’t control that part.
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
<gendl>
Two years ago when we started the Quicklisp fundraiser, it was PayPal only, but some people complained they are allergic to PayPal for some reason, so we took the time to make the Stripe integration.
powerbit has joined #lisp
<gendl>
ebrasca: if you don’t have funds readily available Then please don’t stress about it. There are organizations and individuals out there who depend on CL, and who are well wishers, who hopefully will start donating once they get word.
karlosz has quit [Quit: karlosz]
<phoe>
dim: well
<gendl>
So if you’d like to help, the best way might be by trying to broadcast the link in all the channels you know.
<gendl>
And the overriding purpose here is to maintain and improve the CL ecosystem as a mission critical and production-worthy ecosystem, so it will be possible for more and more people to earn livelihoods and avoid becoming frustrated in an unwanted “starving artist” mode.
<makomo>
same here. all i see is "[removed]" and "by [deleted]"
<makomo>
phoe: that last one works
robdog_ has joined #lisp
<travv0>
yep
<travv0>
now it's gone
<travv0>
wait never mind
<ebrasca>
I get someting like "Random moment of pgloader appreciation (self.Common_Lisp) submitted 5 minutes ago by [deleted] [removed]"
<gendl>
no-defun-allowed can you get to issues on clo/clf-apps on GitLab.common-Lisp.net? I might lose track of things mentioned here.
<gendl>
“complaints” are appreciated, by the way.
dddddd has joined #lisp
<no-defun-allowed>
Are you sure it's clo/clf-apps?
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
jonh has left #lisp ["WeeChat 1.9.1"]
<ebrasca>
I have comment about it in Discord.
<no-defun-allowed>
Erm, I could raise an issue on clo/cl-site, would that be a good place for it?
metallicus has joined #lisp
milanj has joined #lisp
amerlyq has quit [Quit: amerlyq]
<gendl>
Is it an issue with cl-site as well?
<gendl>
If so, then yes. If it’s only with the payments site, then let me add you as a reporter.
<no-defun-allowed>
I...assume so? It's a little off on common-lisp.net/, and cl-site seems to have all the pages.
<gendl>
so you can lodge issues at clf-apps.
<gendl>
ok then pls lodge it at cL-site.
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
nanoz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
ebrasca has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
ebrasca has joined #lisp
varjag has joined #lisp
<no-defun-allowed>
well, it's issue #37 now
cage_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<no-defun-allowed>
(also i can't get the status emoji picker to cooperate on safari, though that's a gitlab problem)
<gendl>
no-definitely-allowed: thanks. You can lodge the emoji picking issue as well, because the clnet maintainer takes gitlab updates seriously.
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
<no-defun-allowed>
i'll probably try later on firefox, since safari is pretty good at randomly breaking like that
robdog has joined #lisp
rippa has quit [Quit: {#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
ravenousmoose has joined #lisp
karlosz has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
Posterdati has joined #lisp
charh has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
charh has joined #lisp
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
emaczen has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
ravenousmoose has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
ravenousmoose has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
Lycurgus has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
charh has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
loli has joined #lisp
ravenousmoose has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
ravenousmoose has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
scymtym has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
charh has joined #lisp
drolax has joined #lisp
ravenousmoose has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
karlosz has quit [Quit: karlosz]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
nowhere_man has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
charh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
wusticality has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
drolax has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
nowhere_man has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
drolax has joined #lisp
lumm has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
charh has joined #lisp
wusticality has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
lumm has joined #lisp
charh has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
charh has joined #lisp
scymtym has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
xkapastel has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
lumm has quit [Quit: lumm]
lumm has joined #lisp
<phoe>
Does anyone have any library for managing a body of loosely formatted text with images? I am thinking bold/italic/underline/strikethrough/quotation marks.
<phoe>
I could always try using CL-WHO with a subset of HTML, but I wonder if there is a lispier way for achieving that.
<no-defun-allowed>
so, like a markdown-y DSL?
drolax has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
<phoe>
Sort of
<phoe>
Except I'd prefer to navigate this as a tree
<no-defun-allowed>
hmm, nothing comes to mind immediately
<phoe>
And I'd like the ability to convert to/from HTML, since I'll be using HTML to display it.
Kaisyu7 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
<no-defun-allowed>
maybe some kind of translator to CL-WHO code would work well
<phoe>
Something like ((:p "Foo bar " (:b "baz") " quux") (:img :src "asdasdasd"))
<phoe>
yep, something like that perhaps
<phoe>
especially since this already looks pretty much like CL-WHO
trn has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
<no-defun-allowed>
sounds like CL-WHO to me
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
igemnace has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
<phoe>
okay then
izh_ has joined #lisp
igemnace has joined #lisp
zymurgy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
trn has joined #lisp
zymurgy has joined #lisp
ebrasca has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
LiamH has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
robdog has joined #lisp
loli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
<gendl>
phoe: combination of cl-who and cl-markdown.
Lycurgus has quit [Quit: Exeunt]
Bike has quit []
makomo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
<phoe>
gendl: I think cl-markdown operates on strings though. I'll want to be able to traverse the resulting structure as a tree.
<phoe>
so actually, CL-WHO's representation works in my case.
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
<gendl>
phoe: You can use markdown strings at the leaf level, embedded in the cl-who tree.
robdog has joined #lisp
<gendl>
i'm not sure of your use case here but I find for normal web page contents, it gets to be overkill to have s-expression tree structure for each little bolded piece of text etc.
<verisimilitude>
Most HTML one comes across is broken in some way. I was entertaining the idea of an approach that parses only correct HTML and, in the case of failure, has the option of running heuristic parsing functions in an attempt to properly parse it. The idea was to avoid a large and heuristic-ridden parser by replacing it with a clean parser and the option of using heuristic, with the idea that one could even use heuristics when dealing with
<verisimilitude>
some sources and different heuristics when dealing with others.
<verisimilitude>
Is there any Common Lisp library that already does this or is my idea as novel as I like to think?
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
robdog has joined #lisp
rpg has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds]
random-nick has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
loli has joined #lisp
milanj has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
mn3m has joined #lisp
metallicus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.3]
mrcom has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
varjag has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
izh_ has left #lisp [#lisp]
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
lumm has quit [Quit: lumm]
robdog has joined #lisp
varjag has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
varjag has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds]
Bike has joined #lisp
varjag has joined #lisp
robdog has joined #lisp
varjag has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
robdog_ has joined #lisp
robdog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
emaczen has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
robdog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
Inline has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]